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  UPS just showed up with two brand spanking new Mountain Rifle ADL stocks. Now I guess it's time to start ordering all the other parts and have a couple of rifles built. I'm thinking .243 Win and 6X47 Rem with 8 twist Lilja barrels KS contour finished at 22". | ||
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Nice looking stocks As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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243 and 7-08 Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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No 7mm-08 for this guy, besides I don't want to have to buy another action. I have a .223 and .308 bolt face actions to drop in these. | |||
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Why would you need another action for a 7mm-08, it is the same as your "308 bolt face action" and same as the 243 Win? | |||
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Because I only have one action that I can make a 7mm-08, on and I want it to be a .243 Win. My other action is a .223, but since .223 isn't legal for big game in Colorado I'll make it a 6x47 Rem. So unless I buy another action or at least bolt, magazine, and follower I can't make a 7mm-08/.243 Win combo like gray bird suggested. | |||
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Sorry my misunderstanding, wasn't thinking of both a 243 and 7mm-08 which of course would require two same actions. All good. | |||
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What case is the 6×47 ?? I was thinking it was a necked down 6.5×47 ?? Which is a .473 bolt face. So it must be a different parent case. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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There are a few different 6x47. One is on the 6.5x47 Lapua, but there is another one that uses .223 as a parent (I think). It might be .222 rem mag too, but in any case, it's a .223 sized case head. | |||
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The 6x47 Remington is from the 222 Mag case, the 6x45 is the 223 case. Build the switch barrel on the 243, everything works for the 7mm08. | |||
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A 6.5x47 Lapua necked down to 6mm should be designated a 6-6.5x47. But many don't leading to confusion with the 6x47, which, as has been noted, a .222 Rem Mag necked up. LWD | |||
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6x47 and 260 Rem? Since a 260 Rem is what a 243 Win would have been if it ate its Wheaties. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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OK, if one action is 'small rifle', then 6x47 based on the 222RemMag would be a nice choice. A 223 would be good if you wanted alot of inexpensive ammo. But for handloading, the 6x47 would cover the 6mm bases and could be loaded up to deer-levels. 80gnTTSX at 2900fps comes to mind. Since the small casehead covers the 6mm, why not go larger with the .473 casehead? Options abound, depending on the magazine length: 257Roberts, 260Rem, 7-08Rem, 308Win, 338Fed. Now there is a cute little round, the 338 Federal. A little elk slayer, as long as distances are reasonable. Maybe with a 185gnTTSX .338" bullet at ... 2700fps and about 3000ftlbs. Or for a wildcat, consider the 284Win necked up to 338 for another 100-150fps and 3400ftlbs. That would be a lot of smack in a very little cartridge. For more info:
(Above is an excerpt from http://www.kailuacustomguns.com/Arti...CG.htm) The parent .284 Winchester is highlighted in a 2004 AmmoGuide.com article titled "The Original Short Magnum", available at http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/article...am0408 The .284 Winchester family can be viewed here: http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/aicompa...5|429| You would probably get 2700fps with a 210grain bullet in a 22" barrel. That would be an all-around NorthAmerican round in a small package. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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With the bullets available to a fast twist .243 Win I can do everything that the .260's famous for only faster, with less drop and wind drift. If I was interested in a .260, I'd be building one | |||
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I have a few .223's and love them, that said .243/6mm is the minimum caliber legal for big game in Colorado. I already run a 6X47 Rem on a Savage action, but it has a 12 twist barrel. This makes it difficult to run any bullet heavier than 70 grains, and that limits my bullets. While I've used the 70 grain NBT to take prairie dogs to white tail and pronghorn I want better bullets. I want a .243 Win because I just sold my .243 LR rig, but it weighed 13lbs. I just want to do the same as I was doing with that rifle but with one that weights nearly half as much. I have elk rifles more than covered so I don't see a need to go there. As neat as the .338 Fed sounds I have the .358 Win in my stable already. | |||
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Not to mention a much better BC grain for grain The .243 is a great choice Consider AI for a better shoulder design? ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I'm not sold on the AI thing, though I do have the dies for it. | |||
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I just like the shoulder It's taller angle has to improve centerline ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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A 260 with 108 Scenars (.465) and 140 VLDs (.612) will getcha pretty much the best of both a 243 and 7-08. I dumped them both and went with the tweener. AI'd would be icing on the cake. | |||
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105 Berger Hybrid or Hunting VLD with .545 and .535 BC will run inside the .260 140 grain VLD to 1000 easy. Plus they both stomp the 108 Scenar to 1000 all day long. I'm not saying the .260 isn't a worthwhile cartridge, just that it isn't the one I'm looking for. From prairie dogs to deer and everything in between the .243 is hard to beat. | |||
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Don't know how you define stomp, but BC aint exponential. | |||
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Pretty simple run the numbers, the 105's Hornady and Berger will out run the 140's in a .260 by 200-400 fps. That gives them less minutes of drop and the same windage at 1K as the 140. Even if the 108's are pushed to the same speed as the 105's they still have less drop, windage, and more velocity at 1K than your 108 Scenar bullets. That's my definition of stomp, as it simply does it better than the 108. It shoots every bit as well as your 140, and does it with less recoil. For what I want the rifle to do the .243 Win simply does it every bit as well as a .260 and in most cases better. | |||
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So how hard are you actually pushing 115's? | |||
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I haven't pushed the 115's past 2900 fps, never saw a reason to do so. There is data out there that pushes coated 115's past the 3100 fps mark. I was easily reaching 3200+ fps with non-coated 105's out of my old rifle, and I expect 3000+ fps to reached out of this new one even though it'll have a 4" shorter barrel. | |||
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I had a 243 win for many years and reloaded a ton for it. Now that l know what l know bout it and if l were planning on a do over. I would opt for the 6mm Rem. The winny's shoulder was a pain. The brass just wants to flow to the neck and partial seps were way to common. So short brass life. Spent too much time trimming and neck turning. | |||
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Never had a 260 . Had a couple 243s settled on the 6.5 Creedmoor. Good throat life. Brass lasts a long time. Easy to make brass. From a 22" barrel it will push 140s @2700 fps. With 43 gr of H4350. . But. The 243 is a very good round. . I view the 243 as a round that tho it has several things against it, it is still a great round. . Main reason I went with the 6.5 was to get the biggest cal.I could for caribou and yet poke a hole thru a fox's ribs and not blow it's guts out. 130 Swift Siroccos and 140 SST for bou ect. 144 gr Lapua fmjbt for fur bearers. The 243 was my other serious contender followed by the 257/25-06 or better even yet. The 250/3000 . But I wanted to just buy the rifle not build it. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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I you are going with a pair of 6mm rifles I suggest that rather than the 6x47 go with the 6x45. With the 243 you have the medium - fast end of the 6mm spectrum covered, so you don't need the slight case capacity advantage of the 222 Rem mag case and can take advantage of the plentiful 223 brass. Go with a faster twist than the 243 so you can stabilize even the heavier bullets at the lower velocity. Or Plan B, go with something odd like the 300ACC and you can load supersonic or subsonic... JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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I guess everyone missed where I said I already reload and shoot the 6X47 Rem. I don't see why I need to get a new set of dies to go to the 6X45, when I have a perfectly good set of dies and plenty of brass for the 6X47. I already have a .300 AAC Blackout, neat cartridge but not what I'm going for. Plus a 1:8 twist will allow me to stabilize as heavy for caliber bullets as I'll realistically fit in the magazine. I just want something deer legal in Colorado and low recoil, the 6X47 just gets met there better than the 6X45. | |||
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.308 ! Its pretty hard to beat the .308. ...tj3006 | |||
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For legal in Colorado (I'm guessing this is for your daughter) go with the .243. The other go with a .204 Ruger. Your daughter will love shooting that. | |||
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I have to laugh at all the opinions. If He wants to build a 6x47, thats what he should do. It's his rifle. | |||
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Even though Taylorce and I do not see eye to eye on things, it never ceases to amaze me when a member asks a specific question, using a specific set of parameters, people start trying the "Hard Sell" on what THEY believe the person should be doing AND WHY their choices are better. It is Taylorce's project, he knows what he wants to build, it is his money, his supplies, he will be the one shooting the rifles, so why can't folks merely stick to the parameters he listed. I agree with Scott on this one. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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This was last sentence in Taylor's first post. " I'm thinking .243 Win and 6X47 Rem with 8 twist Lilja barrels KS contour finished at 22". Wasn't till post 6 Taylor decides it's 243 he wants to build. Might have been better had he made choice on what he wanted to build before first post. VFW | |||
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I agree with Tom Holland--The "THINKING" made it sound as if it was up for grabs and ideas would be considered. The it's his money and his choice is a duh. It's not like anybody told him he CANT build whatever. | |||
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This is for ALL of you that lack reading comprehension!!!!!! If you will take time to actually READ what was written, it PLAINLY says in the FIRST post, .243 AND 6x47, OR is NOT in the sentence!!!!!! He had already decided in his First Post, in all his posts I do not remember seeing where he said anything about OPTIONS! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Hey CHC what does "THINKING" in his first post mean? As opposed to lets say--I have DECIDED. | |||
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In reality there is not much difference since He Specifically Did Not Ask For Options, CALIBER Wise. Now did he? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC---Not much difference in reality??? (between THINKING ABOUT and HAVE DECIDED). There is a world of difference. "Thinking" is not definitive. When a person makes a post on this forum it can be done under one of 4 categories (1)Poll---This wasn't listed as a poll (2) Private message--this was public so it wasn't private (3) Photo. The last category is(4)DISCUSSION. This is what this post was--A Discussion. That means sharing of opinions, critical examination by argument or debate. So in effect yes he did solicit responses, otherwise, he would not have posted. | |||
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Good grief..... | |||
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Whatever carpetman. I looked back and no where in the OP were suggestions or opinions asked for, and in 6 responses taylorce made to folks he explained what he was going to build and why. So I guess you are correct. The man was asking people what they would build.  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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