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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
Mabey if you are comparing both a 6.5x55 and a 260rem in otherwise indentical rifles and loading them both to observed max the swede will have a slight velocity edge
but that doesn't translate into the swede being materially better.REALLY????

Remember that I own swedes, so my part in this is to be logical and eliminate the emotional BS.
AD

You want to eliminate emotional ?? Did you really expect anyone to accept that statement? I guess I over estimate the power of prose. How do you spell manutia? roger

Yes, really.

If I was that worried about 150fps I wouldn't have bought a cheaper to feed 7mmRemMag instead of a 7mmWeatherby, a7mmSTW or a 7mmRUM.

And when I bought my swedes the 260rem simply didn't exsist.
If for example I lost all my rifles to theft or fire I probably wound't replace my swedes with more swedes but with 260's instead.

And much as you'll whine on about the "potential" for a swede if you stick to published maximum loading data the swede is slower, granted very slightly slower, but
that is the unvarnished truth, not that it really matters much, if at all.


Except for the older among us or those into surplus rifles the 6.5x55 is an exotic oddball.
and that's a burden it will never overcome.
But that is an "emotional" characterization.


While the 260rem didn't catch on the way the 7mm-08 did it is gaining popularity, mostly (personal opinion) by cutting into 243win sales.


Fact is the 260 will launch 140's at nearly identical speeds, and if you stick to published maximum (in say... The Nosler manual?) the 260 will toss them about 40fps faster.

Why is it that with some people each rifle must be capable of doing EVERYTHING?

I consider the 6.5x55/260Rem/7mm-08 rem to be excellent deer cartridges.

Loading heavier bullets into them won't make them into elk/moose/bear cartridges so why bother trying?
Of course if you are a charter member of the heavy bullet mafia you won't see it that way because your views are beyond reason, you've already made up your mind and any argument isn't going to sway you even if you were marginally capable of admitting you are or were ever wrong about something.

I'll say the same thing about the 6.5bore cartridges and 160gr bullets I've said any number of times about the 7mm bores.
If I feel a need to launch 160gr (or heavier) bullets at some unsuspecting animal I'll use a rifle with a 30caliber bore to do so.

Hey, I don't load 160's in my 7mmMag so why would I want to load them in my 6.5?

I don't only own one rifle so I see no purpose to trying to make each seperate rifle do "everything".

AllanD

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
Mabey ? AllanD

I, I,ve I'd I'm Me Mine!!! White flag. Surrender to your ego oriented subjectivity. Yes you've provoked the thought process. roger You win

Has anyone loaded/shot 120gn barnes X bullets through their 260? What group sizes did you get?? What velosity did you get??? Did you spill any blood with them????

thanks

James

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Originally posted by James Johnston:
Has anyone loaded/shot 120gn barnes X bullets through their 260? What group sizes did you get?? What velosity did you get??? Did you spill any blood with them????

thanks

James

About 1/2" average for 3 shots at 100 yards at 2850 fps faster than that groups opened up a fair bit. No game shot with these yet perhaps I will use them this season.

Now I feel amused, bartsche accusing me of ego, now that's rich

Not even the pot calling the kettle black but the pot calling the table cloth black

AD

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
Now I feel amused, bartsche accusing me of ego, now that's rich
Not even the pot calling the kettle black but the pot calling the table cloth blackAD

If the truth be known perhaps my ego does show through at times. You win again Allan! Why that's 2 in a row. roger

Hey, some of the things we choose in life are more random than we'd like others to know. you like to put out the image atleast that you chose something thoughtfully and with great deliberation rather than fell face first into dung and came up with a gold coin clenched in your teeth.

My getting my first swede was such a deal
and admittedly I wanted what I coinsider to be a "medium power" centerfire bolt gun, but honestly anything from a 250sav to a 7mm-08 would have fit my needs, it's just that the 6.5swede was the best deal at the time.

I have no emotional attachment to it one way or the other, the second rifle was only justifiable because I already had a rifle in the caliber, a supply of brass, dies, etc.

But like I said, if I didn't have those rifles and decided I needed another in the same power class I probably wouldn't choose a 6.5x55 and I'm not going to recommend to anyone else in NorthAmerica that they get one either, because there are cartridges that are more easily obtained, a lengthy list that I won't repeat again.

In Sweden, Norway, finland etc, different story.

I don't buy "exotic" just to be exotic.
Buying something exotic for your own image (either self image or the image you project to others) is "ego".

That's why I don't get the guys that recommend the 9.3x62 to rifle buyers in the US.
They personally got it to be "more exotic than thou",
or ecause they have some snobish attitude in regards to a 35whelen and they encourage others to do the same to validate their (Ok, I'll say it, "odd") personal choice but if everyone actually DID get a 9.3x62 they'd probably sell theirs because then everyone would have one and they wouldn't be "specia" or "exotic" anymore...

If someone in europe was asking advice in choosing between a 9.3x62 and a 35whelen I wouldn't recommend
the 35Whelen to them any more than I'll recommend a 9.3x62 to someone in alabama.

I'm not talking about what specific choices anyone makes, I just want you to examine your own reasoning for making
those choices.

It's like choosing food you HATE at a resturant so you can appear "sophisticated" to those you are dining with.
It sounds odd but people really do it...
(Me I actually like the fried baby squid at the chinese buffet)

It is not an "arguement" I'm trying to win, though if you want to feel that way about it there's nothing I can do to stop you....

I am not trying to encourage or discourage anyone from getting a 6.5 x 55 or a 9.3 x 62 if they want one or both. They are both fine and useful rounds, and the more people who buy them, the more components will become available for them here, and that's probably a good thing, firearms wise, for all of us...Rusty.

they ARE both fine rounds, but there are details about owning them that are frequently "glossed over" or down played when one of the "true believers" suggests them

I have TWO 6.5x55,s but there is NOTHING "special" about the round when you compare it to half a dozen others that came before and after it.

Frankly if I wonder about anything it's what the hell was wrong with the 6.5x57 or 7x57 that the swedes needed something "different"

AD

roger

I may just have to buy a well made .260 just to shoot it against my 6.5X55s with 156gr to 160gr. bullets just to get some objective evidence.

Changed my mind!!! Went out and bought a Ruger #1 in .223 today instead. Have owned #3s but never a #1. I just may never buy a .260. roger

Why would you want to shoot a 160gr bullet from a .260? I think of my .260 as a deer rifle and use 140's. If I were going elk hunting, I'd take a 7RM or a 300WM. If I were going elephant hunting, I'd take a 7x57 (suuuure I would )

Gidday Roger,

Good on ya mate that 223 sounds pretty interesting. I haven't owned a single shot since a BSA 22 back when I was a kid. Called it the pea rifle.

It would be interesting to try one again but I have too many other wants at the moment.

Like a Sako 85 finlight in,,,, wait for it,,,, 260rem (just to wind you up lol). Always wanted a Sako in 260 coz that would be a perfect combination.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Here is a pair of 260's

what one will not do, the other one will

Kimber Montana 84M, 260 remington, 2.5x 8 Leupold VX-III

Sako 75 Varmint Stainless Laminate w/ set trigger, 260 remington, Swarovski 3 x 9 Habicht
GWB

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Originally posted by bartsche:
I may just have to buy a well made .260 just to shoot it against my 6.5X55s with 156gr to 160gr. bullets just to get some objective evidence.

Changed my mind!!! Went out and bought a Ruger #1 in .223 today instead. Have owned #3s but never a #1. I just may never buy a .260. roger

congrats on the ruger Number 1 there Roge....

as far as never owning a 260... owning both the 6.5 x 55s and the 260s... you are not missing anything that a Swede will give you also...

both are accurate, and even with the 160s, with the right powders, a 260 can be made to equal a Swede in velocity.. even a hot Swede...

at least in my experience with a 260 Ruger that has had the chamber throated out to handle a 160 grain RN...

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
my experience with a 260 Ruger that has had the chamber throated out to handle a 160 grain RN...

Now that is good thinking. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
my experience with a 260 Ruger that has had the chamber throated out to handle a 160 grain RN...

Now that is good thinking. roger

Actually that is the first thing I did with both of my Ruger 260s.. before I even shot the things...

Gidday Geedubya,

Shame on you, that Sako is just pure gun porn.

If I told you the effect it has on me they would probably lock me up.

That is one mighty fine rifle. Please feel free to visit NZ and if you forget to take it home... Oh well!!!!!

I am in gun lust.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Hamish,

I feel your pain. In my old age I have been able to control my lust for the ladies, but for rifles, although I try mightily to resist, I've about decided there is no hope for me. When they see me at the local gun shop, the first thing that is said is "GW, is time to feed your addiction" I smile cause I'm hopeless.

I tried to resist this rifle for about six months. I acquired a cz 550 in 9.3 x 62 hoping it would help, next I put a ruger hawkeye in 257 roberts on lay away, but no dice, so in desperation I plunked down my money and made off with the Sako. And yes, she shoots as good as she looks.

My barrell breakin on this type of rifle consists of 300 strokes with a bronze bore brush dipped in a jb borepaste/kroil mixture, then patch til all is removed. Finish with a kroil coated cotton patch down the barrel and take to the range. Zeroed the rifle at 35 yds with similar results as the target below. Two fouling shots, three shots for zero, three more to get on target, this is shot 9,10, & 11 out of the rifle. My Kimber montana likes 43 grains of IMR 4320 with 120 gr. nosler ballistic tips. Evidently this rifle likes the same load reasonably well also.
GWB
PS there are four hunts I would like to make. One is to NZ for stag. Hope to do this in th next five years should I live so long. Maybe we could hook up if I make it

Would you stop it! I had been wanting one of those and just did miss one with a good price!

Makes me wonder if it would have done it w/o your 'bbl break in procedure'

Never had a bad sako!

6.5br,


me either.
GWB

Stop! Ha. Now I won't ask who bagged the rugs, and I assume the top gun is the new 'Laser beam accurate' model, via INVISIBLE barrel.

Is that a L461 HB in 222?

NICE. Let me guess, Sako is YOUR brand? Oh, and you do have one Kimber for sure it seems.

Thanks for the photos. Now what part of Tx is Pearland in, so I can come help you bag more rugs with those rifles?

6.5br,
I joke that when I was born we were so poor that my parents could not afford a name for me, only initials. Used to get hand me down gun rags from the kids down the street when I was young. Swore that I would own a few rifles if I ever made any money. What is the mossy oak motto, "its not a passion, its and obsession", I can relate. Oh, by the way, Pearland is a bedroom community of Houston a few miles south, but I do most of my huntin' in the Texas hill country.
And yes, I like my kimbers, but I love my sakos
I also like brownings, coopers, cz's remingtons, weatherbys and winchesters to name a few.
Top to bottom are
1. a S 491 short action w/ a.378 bolt face in the white in a richards micro fit stock. Haven't got around to barrelling it. Thinking of either a 20 vartarg (20-221 fireball) or 223 with an 8 twist barrell.
2. s-491 in 222, heavy barrell
3. L 461 vixen in 222, heavy barrell
4. Sako Forrester, L579 in 243, heavy barrell
5. Sako Forrester, L579 in 243
6. Sako A-V action w Hart barrell chambered in 280 ackley improved
7. Sako varmint in 7mag L61r action
8. Sako A-V in 375 H&H

A 75 hunter in 7wsm is not pictured.
GWB

Thanks for the info, had an A2 and L579 both in 243, sporters, both shot very well, and the palm swell, nice trigger, balance allowed me to do some great field shooting with the Forester.

Thanks, enjoyed the posts and pics.