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Originally posted by TC1:
No it won't. It'll simply put lead on target just like the Grendel. It has the backing of ONE builder.

Just being realistic.

Terry

....and it puts lead on the target better then a Grendel. In fact there's a small 6mm cartridge that will give the Grendel a run for it's money because it can handle a higher BC bullet at a higher velocity and that is what the name of the game is between the two.

There are more and more companies building specialty AR's. This is more true as a high percentage of people that own AR's build them themselves. Also the AR 10 will pass the AR 15 up in popularly especially as the prices come down and parts become as readily available as the AR 15's are. `

TCI,

Here's a website for you to learn about how good the 6mm's are in the AR 15 platform:

http://www.6mmar.com/

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by Phatman:
I would start with a WSSM upper.

I didn't know they made such a thing ......................the even larger size of the WSSM would be even more of an issue, especially since I'm thinking those cartridges are high pressure.

KB

Lke you said you don't know much about AR 15's.

Apparantly I know enough to ask the right question to drag your opinionated dragon ass out of your lair.

Why did they shoehorn an AR 10 bolt into the AR 15, instead of just using the AR 10 receiver and all?

KB

Simple....lighter slightly smaller rifle. AR 10 are kind of big and heavy, as compared to an AR 15.

Isn't the AR 15 receiver not as strong as the AR 10 receiver?

KB

If you think it's all about speed you have much to learn.

Terry

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Originally posted by TC1:
If you think it's all about speed you have much to learn.

Terry

If you think you know me or what my thoughts are you have lots to learn and are sadly mistaken.

Only what you've written and that's enough for me.

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Originally posted by TC1:
Only what you've written and that's enough for me.

Ditto you Terry. I can plainly see you don't know a thing.

Funny how all forums are anymore are pissing matches. The old "I know more then you thing". Terry got left out on AR 15 knowledge and now has turned it into a pissing match.

Kabluewy...if you want anymore information or if I can help you on anything we have discussed here feel free to contact me or ask here.

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Funny how all forums are anymore are pissing matches. The old "I know more then you thing".

Go back and read some of the ignorant crap you've written on this subject so far and then decide if the above statement applies to you more than anyone else who's posted so far. Please be honest with yourself because the rest of us already know.

Just a suggestion - maybe we should get back to the discussion of the 6.5 Grendel, whether in a bolt action or AR. This WSSM is off track, IMO, and apparantly controversial. That seems like a topic for a new thread in the appropriate forum.

KB

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Originally posted by TC1:

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Funny how all forums are anymore are pissing matches. The old "I know more then you thing".

Go back and read some of the ignorant crap you've written on this subject so far and then decide if the above statement applies to you more than anyone else who's posted so far. Please be honest with yourself because the rest of us already know.


You are clearly confusing opinion with fact a d it shows.

Awwwwwww...Terry got his feelings hurt. Too bad you don't know a thing about what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Just a suggestion - maybe we should get back to the discussion of the 6.5 Grendel, whether in a bolt action or AR. This WSSM is off track, IMO, and apparantly controversial. That seems like a topic for a new thread in the appropriate forum.

KB

KB...sounds like a good idea. I'm trying to get a hold of Kiff and see exactly what dimensions he is cutting his 6.5 Grendel reamers too. At any rate he'll more then likely be changing them to the SAAMI specs since it has just passed SAAMI. Now I can tell you he had a huge falling out with Alexander Arms. He was making reamers for them and that came to an abrupt end. Next time you speak with him ask him his opinion of Bill Alexander.

Yeah I'm real upset. Some tool said bad things about me on The intenet. my day is ruined.

KB,

Talked to Dave Kiff about your chamber. It's as I thought, and existing reamer except they did some mods on it to be able to fit all the ammo because like I told you there were issues with the first batch of Hornady ammo not fitting all chambers. I told him that if you talk to him again ask him about his opinion about Bill Alexander and he started laughing. He ended the conversation with if one was wanting a 6.5 Grendel the best chamber to go with is the Les Baer .264 LBC.

SJ,
This is partially, or perhaps mostly, why I don't like to get into specifics with you. Name dropping, and unnecessary phone calls over things that don't matter, with info that may have been part of a specific conversation, may ultimately affect my good relations with folks with whom I do business, and with whom I am careful to maintain good relations with.

It's one thing to debate issues in the forum, and make recommendations, etc., but it's another when unintentional negative stuff, or second-guessing flows over into the busy worlds of those folks trying to make a living in this business.

It's my opinion that you are a bit obsessive about this, and perhaps many other things, and it makes me uncomfortable. I don't want to have to do damage control, steming from a debate with you. It's unnecessary and avoidable. If you dont' knock it off, I'm going to avoid it by not debating with you. I told you in the first place, I didn't want to engage in this conversation, and you lured me in anyway. If you can assure me of good faith, which aint' gonna be easy due to water under the bridge, we can talk in the future. Otherwise leave me alone.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
SJ,
This is partially, or perhaps mostly, why I don't like to get into specifics with you. Name dropping, and unnecessary phone calls over things that don't matter, with info that may have been part of a specific conversation, may ultimately affect my good relations with folks with whom I do business, and with whom I am careful to maintain good relations with.

It's one thing to debate issues in the forum, and make recommendations, etc., but it's another when unintentional negative stuff, or second-guessing flows over into the busy worlds of those folks trying to make a living in this business.

It's my opinion that you are a bit obsessive about this, and perhaps many other things, and it makes me uncomfortable. I don't want to have to do damage control, steming from a debate with you. It's unnecessary and avoidable. If you dont' knock it off, I'm going to avoid it by not debating with you. I told you in the first place, I didn't want to engage in this conversation, and you lured me in anyway. If you can assure me of good faith, which aint' gonna be easy due to water under the bridge, we can talk in the future. Otherwise leave me alone.

KB

You're funny KA, you mentioned Dave Kiff's name in your post but I"m not allowed to do so in my, I'm the one dropping names huh?

I'm not obsessive, I like to get the straight and true facts. Not the myths, lies, bullshit, and internet keyboard commando stories. You stated in your post that you were told it was a match chamber. You don't know. I knew and it most definitely is not. Not anywhere close to to it. In fact same chamber that goes on an AR 15 and those can't be tight for sake of function. Am I saying you have a lousy setup? No, by no means. I'm perfectly sure it will shoot some very small groups.

So quit trying to make me look bad. I'll leave you alone, you seem to know everything. Just like you did with your 8mm project.

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
I'm not obsessive, I like to get the straight and true facts. Not the myths, lies, bullshit, and internet keyboard commando stories. You stated in your post that you were told it was a match chamber. You don't know.

Just checking your tone, especially in your response, which shows me what I need to know about our conversations.

Speaking of lies and BS, show me where I said that I thought I had a Match Chamber. I don't recall saying that. I do recall saying that PacNor calls it the 6.5 Gren Match, but that's not the same as saying that I think it's a match chamber, and also the main point is that it doesn't matter what it's called, it only matters what it is. I don't care whether it's technically a match chamber or not, and I don't even really know what makes it match or not match. All I care about is if it works properly, and I had little doubt about that. Most likely for a sporter I don't want a real technically correct match chamber anyway, and I expect PacNor to already know that. I sure don't want to be turning necks to fit a tight chamber, or order special dies.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. Prove me wrong, since that's what you are all about anyway.

BTW, thanks for the clarification as to where we stand with your nasty PM. Thanks for the info and load data, but the price is too high - putting up with your attitude is just too much.

Also, the 8mm project was redirected and is almost done. I'm looking forward to starting again where we left off with that one, and I plan on bringing up all the old names, and BS dredged along with it and wring that sucker out thoroughly.

KB

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I got some good news today from the gunsmith. My 6.5 Grendel on the Ruger 77 short PPC action is finished and ready to ship.

Dies, brass, bullets, primers, powder, and some Hornady and Wolf factory ammo, all on the shelf awaiting its arrival.

I'll try to remember to post some pictures later, and some range results, and hopefully some hunting results too.

Does that qualify me to join the elite small bore deer hunter's club? If not, I have a 243. Big Grin

KB

what for????

12 grains of Blue Dot, a 40 grain BTip, and a bolt action 223 is all ya need for taking a deer!

You stinker

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
I'm not obsessive, I like to get the straight and true facts. Not the myths, lies, bullshit, and internet keyboard commando stories. You stated in your post that you were told it was a match chamber. You don't know.

Just checking your tone, especially in your response, which shows me what I need to know about our conversations.

Speaking of lies and BS, show me where I said that I thought I had a Match Chamber. I don't recall saying that. I do recall saying that PacNor calls it the 6.5 Gren Match, but that's not the same as saying that I think it's a match chamber, and also the main point is that it doesn't matter what it's called, it only matters what it is. I don't care whether it's technically a match chamber or not, and I don't even really know what makes it match or not match. All I care about is if it works properly, and I had little doubt about that. Most likely for a sporter I don't want a real technically correct match chamber anyway, and I expect PacNor to already know that. I sure don't want to be turning necks to fit a tight chamber, or order special dies.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. Prove me wrong, since that's what you are all about anyway.

BTW, thanks for the clarification as to where we stand with your nasty PM.

Also, the 8mm project was redirected and is almost done. I'm looking forward to starting again where we left off with that one, and I plan on bringing up all the old names, and BS dredged along with it and wring that sucker out thoroughly.

KB

I don't have to prove you anything. You proved you're stupid very well by yourself.

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Originally posted by Von Gruff:

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Originally posted by TC1:


I've got a cute little Mini Mauser in a 7.62X39 with a LOT of custom action work on it by James Anderson. For some strange reason we left the stock barrel on it. Been thinking converting it to the Grendel or .264LBC. I've been taking a break from custom gun projects lately, Just might jump back in with this one.

Terry

Be fair Terry. Your Mini Mauser projectr gave us a great deal of pleaurable anticipation as it was coming to fruition and moreso on completion. You cant just rebarrel and leave it at that. Have another built as a stablemate so we can all see (and enjoy) the processs.

On another note, it is interesting to read the information being posted even though I see it from Kabluewy's point of view.

Looking for the load testing results to come.

Von Gruff.

I dunno, it's half finished and would make a great candidate. I've had it at the range a few times now and with certainty I can say I wouldn't miss the 7.62X39 barrel

I had two of these done. This one was the "economy" version.



Terry

I think the mini-Mauser is a great choice for the Grendel. I like the hinged bottom metal, both factory or the custom especially like that on your rifle.

Maybe as the Grendel becomes more popular, if it's to become SAAMI std, there will become available factory bolt rifles built on a scaled down receiver.

Terry, have you tried 6.5 Grendel cartridges in the magazine to see how many will fit and how it feeds?

KB

I think the action would benifit from some minor ramp work but I think the factory 7.62X39 would also. It'll hold 3 down and while it's not super smooth they all feed. I think a good smith would have it shucking and chucking without any trouble at all.

Terry

"Wishy washy,whatever--if I don't know something I try to recognize that, and not just bluff my way through, and mixing up stuff I know with what I don't know" Kabluey.
That folks is possibly the biggest lie I have ever seen on the internet. I can think of no politician even that can come close to matching that bs. Kabluey has called me a liar on several things that I have experienced and seen and posted about. I have recovered two bases of bullets from the offside of a deer--both bases weighed 40 grains 72% of their original 55 grains--Kabluey has called me a liar on that. He has done this with others--some have him on ignore for that reason. He claims expertise on deer and .223 and once stated he had never done it nor seen it done. Then he comes up with a lame story that he had seen it done. His experience is limited to what picture he sees on a box of ammo. Proof of that is in his idiot tagline. It goes way beyond wishy washy.

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Originally posted by TC1:
I think the action would benifit from some minor ramp work but I think the factory 7.62X39 would also. It'll hold 3 down and while it's not super smooth they all feed. I think a good smith would have it shucking and chucking without any trouble at all.
Terry

That's good info to know for me in particular, because I'm having a mini-mauser built as well, in 6.5 Grendel. I never did try the cartridge in the magazine, and see how it feeds. I just assumed it would, and you know about the word assumed - right? I haven't been able to try it since I made the decision to have it barreled in 6.5 Grendel, because the whole assembly has been at the gunsmiths for over three years now.

My guess (educated) would have been consistant with what you said about your rifle action. I'm sure when it's finished the gunsmith will have tweeked the feeding nicely.

I hope to see more posts of your progress in this thread, and I'll try to encourage my gunsmith to proceed, and provide progress pictures as well. My rifle won't be as nice looking as yours, and I don't mean for this to be competative, but the two rifles will be similar in several ways.

KB

"My guess (educated) would have been consistant(sic) with what you said about your rifle action." Kabluey. Yes indeed that sounds mighty educated, it is consistent with your writings.

Had a friend who p/u an MOA pistol - turned Carbine - in 6.5BR w/22" bbl. Don't know twist, BELIEVE an 8. Shot 100 Ballistic Tips in BUG HOLES!!!

The TTSX is a neat bullet, and tough, but at these speeds, I'd run a Ballistic Tip or SST if the barrel will spin them.

100s no doubt, the 120 and 129s both should do in 9" even.

Good luck, and check out

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/

if you have not yet..

I'm going to switch to some lead core type bullets and try them for accuracy, both 100gr and 120-123gr. This rifle of mine has a 8.5" twist. I couldn't decide 8" or 9", so I split the difference.

The problem I ran into with "soft" bullets is the seater cup on the Forster seating die mashes a deep ring into the tips of the bullets. I don't find that acceptable, and I'm waiting on the arrival of the Hornady dies to see if they work better. I might be able to switch the part out in the Forster die. Maybe Forster would send me the correct part. I just haven't taken the time to call them yet.

KB

The Grendel / 6.5 TTSX 100gr is a deer slayer combo. I think I'll keep hunting with that combo. One deer isn't a definitive test, but I neck shot a buck - direct hit on the bone, and the bullet exited with a small hole, rather than blowing a large hole that I'm used to seeing in such case.


I got this blacktail buck yesterday.



Here are examples of what guys in other boats did.

None of the pictured deer have been gutted. Is there a reason you don't do it on the spot? Perhaps you don't know how and someone else does it for you?

Those in the pickup have been gutted. I just chose to not show a picture from that angle, for queasy folks.

The other cluster, I can't speak for that guy. Along with those deer, he had a boat load of apparant family. A wife, who was about five feet tall, and teenage girl, and several four to seven year old children. That may explain it.

There are several reasons I didn't gut my buck on the beach, which is what I normally do. Since you asked, rather presumtively crude, I'll give you the long answer. It may not be interesting to you, but perhaps to others.

There were two of us on the boat. With a deer down on the beach, we have to launch the dingy, then one has to stay on the boat, and the other go ashore. I stayed on the boat, to keep it off the rocks, by manuvering against the tide and wind and waves. My buddy, who is far younger and more agile, just hopped in the dingy went ashore, loaded the deer and paddled back. I would have had to crawl into the dingy, very unsteady, and he literally hopped in. Also, it was getting dark, the tide was falling, we were in 6 feet of water, with barely submerged rocks within 50-100 feet on both sides of the boat, and it had begun to snow hard. It was a no-brainer to grab the deer and hurry back to the boat, and get outta there.

Certainly I'm not gonna gut a deer in the back of my buddie's boat. So I did it back at the dock, under good light.

Does that answer your question?

BTW, when I skinned that buck, I found twelve .223 bullets just under the hide. Apparantly he had been shot before, but looked like he might have made it through the winter, since he still had plenty of fat, and was eating, and walking about. That all changed when I came along with a real deer rifle.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
BTW, when I skinned that buck, I found twelve .223 bullets just under the hide. Apparantly he had been shot before, but looked like he might have made it through the winter, since he still had plenty of fat, and was eating, and walking about. That all changed when I came along with a real deer rifle.

KB

Von Gruff.

Bad news for the 6.5 Grendel. Heard from friends at the SHOT Show that Alexander Arms won't release the Trademark on the 6.5 Grendel so SAAMI won't have any recourse to drop it from SAAMI.