Again, Savage spanks the competition's expensive custom rifles with stock (F) class rifles! Second year running..

Team Savage started its 2010 season in grand fashion, winning the F T/R National Championship team competition by besting all others in the 600 and 1,000 yard events, and establishing an new 1,000-yard record of 778-21X. That would seem hard to top. But that is exactly what they did at the last two major matches of their season.

Darrell Buell of Damascus, OR; John Weil of Welches, OR; Monte Milanuk of Wenatchee WA and Stan Pate of Milwaukie, OR wrapped up the season with two internationally sanctioned matches: the Canadian International Fullbore Championships held in Chilliwack. B.C. and the Pacific International Fullbore Championships held just outside of Portland, OR. At these matches, elite shooters from around the world compete at 800, 900 and 1,000 yards. The two matches combined constitute a “Super Aggregate”, or continental title.

Team Savage loaded up on the hardware at both matches, winning multiple medals at the various distances. They captured the team gold at the Canadian match and Gold and Silver in the individual Super Aggregate.

The real fireworks happened in the Oregon match. With John Weil leading the way, Team Savage put on a veritable clinic. This competition was held on Weil and Pate’s home range at the Douglass Ridge Rifle Club and they showed everybody that nobody knows how to read the conditions on that range better than Team Savage. Weil won all seven gold medals available, while teammate Stan Pate won six silvers. Monte Milanuk added three bronzes. Weil also shot a new national record at 1000 yards, scoring 148-4x.

Very impressive!

Accuracy is nothing new to Savage......their M-99 was a very accurate rifle many years ago and their bolt rifles are known for their accuracy.....

My hat is off to them.....but when I go hunting, I want a gun that works in all the other categories!

And not a single Shilen barrel among them. I just couldn't resist. Where is Butch when you need him?

Just kidding. Great shooting!

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My hat is off to them.....but when I go hunting, I want a gun that works in all the other categories!

Would this work?



Caliber & Twist

270 Win.. 1/10 Cap. 4 Rnds

30-06 Spfld.. 1/10 Cap. 4 Rnds

7mm Rem Mag.. 1/9.5 Cap. 3 Rnds

300 Win Mag.. 1/10 Cap. 3 Rnds

338 Win Mag.. 1/10 Cap. 3 Rnds

Accu Trigger: Yes

Accu Stock: Yes

BBl: 24" Stainless Steel

Muzzle Brake: Yes

Hinged Floor Plate: All

Weight: 7.2Lbs

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Would this work?

NO

It has to feed.....the safety has to work, the cartridge must eject and extract.....and they don't!

Again my accolades....they finally fixed the worst trigger in the industry.....maybe someday their rifle will be simply ugly but functional.....

In this house, it takes more than accuracy to sell a rifle!

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Would this work?

NO

It has to feed.....the safety has to work, the cartridge must eject and extract.....and they don't!

Again my accolades....they finally fixed the worst trigger in the industry.....maybe someday their rifle will be simply ugly but functional.....

In this house, it takes more than accuracy to sell a rifle!

Interesting. I know the trigger is jacked up, but never heard of the issues you're having or had ejection/feed). The trigger can go from (like you said) the worst in the industry to the best in the industry with about an hour of work and 1 modified part. As far as ejection and feed, I've never had a problem with any of the 22 Savage rifles I have nor-have I seen any issues in the field. I think any internal mag can cause problems, perhaps this is the issue and Savage may have a poor design on theirs? With that said all mine have the box fed mag and maybe that's the difference? I think what I'm getting at here is that, IMO no rifle cuts the mustard from head-to-toe out of the box. I like to modify, tweak and work my rifles into "my shooters" and again IMO, Savage rifles have it going on in this department because they are so simple to work on. So if you make your custom tweaks, fix and improve any down-falls to match it's accuracy, you have probably the finest rifle out there hands down!

They shoot good, I own two of 'em, but they aren't the slickest hunting rifle that I have. They're my first choice for a varmint or inexpensive long range rifle,but I'd choose something else for a deer or elk rifle.

All of those rifle came from the Savage custom shop. They're nothing like what you get over the counter at Wally World.
Kinda like saying "me'n Dale drive the same car".
However, good on them.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
All of those rifle came from the Savage custom shop. They're nothing like what you get over the counter at Wally World.
Kinda like saying "me'n Dale drive the same car".
However, good on them.

+1

I read about Savage accuracy here all the time. A gunsmith I know says that Savage barrels are the worst he's scoped.

Maybe they've improved?

I never owned a Savage rifle up until about 3 years ago and now, I won't even bother with any other rifle but Savage! Kimber, Saco, Remington, Winchester, Browning, Weatherby and TC all have a spot in my gun case collecting dust when Savage moved in. I don't know what the real story is behind Savage's new innovative a proprietary gun manufacturing is but I have heard all the stories. The only thing I know and the word is still on the fence is that Savage's factory has done a complete 360 and produces rifles that really are superior to just about anything out there out of the box. And with some tweaking you can match any world class rifle should it be hunting, tactical F class or BR. The proof is in the medals, ribbons, gun reviews and from other sportsman that have made the switch. I have placed my custom F class 6MM Br with a Krgr barrel that I paid over 4K for (complete rifle) against my new Savage model 12 F class in 6.5X284 right out of the box, and it grouped even and I know when I do some load work it will without a doubt out perform the Krgr custom. In addition I have the model 110-bas/k in .308 and the BA 110 in .300 mag and .338 Lapua and I can tell you that they group in just as well and in some cases better than my IC and FN/H&K custom tac rifles. I'm not an avid hunter but do take to the field and mountains twice a year for deer, elk and if I'm lucky and the wife is in a good mood, Alaska for moose or sheep. I bought 2 of the rifles shown above (116 FHSAK), one in .270 and the other in 300 win. mag. I figure this should take care of my hunting needs. After I had the triggers worked these guns have accuracy you have to see to believe. They are light and well balanced and the muzzle break is very effective. The stainless steel barrel, receiver with the composite accu-stock make it a bad weather machine. In closing, I'm not a Savage salesman but am just very pleased with their latest products. I think many still hold Savage as a second gun due to their reputation as a "discount" rifle maker in the years past. I'm just here to give you my opinion but at the same time encourage others that may be in the market for a new rifle, to take a close look at Savage. To me, if you can buy a Rolls-Royce for the price of a Toyota...??

Great to hear it!

My buddy is in the market. Which model would be a good lightweight hunter?

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Originally posted by rcamuglia:
Great to hear it!

My buddy is in the market. Which model would be a good lightweight hunter?

Again, I'm not an avid hunter like many here and suggesting a hunting rifle may not be a wise thing for me to do. However, Savage has a huge selection (Largest in the business): The classic series, weather warrior series, the hunter series and varmint series. Each series has several models, options and calibers. Below is a link to the series. I'm partial to the weather warrior myself because it is built to take on any weather and hunter abuse. So I think my best advice is not to give any but rather direct those to the site where they can view the rifle and specs.

http://savagearms.com/firearms/models/

Good luck...!

What's a "muzzle break"??

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
What's a "muzzle break"??

There has been debates regarding the spelling of the muzzle break or brake. I use the original spelling of break because it seems more applicable. In any event a muzzle break or brake is used to reduce recoil and barrel lift by expending the propellant gasses to an equal and opposite direction of fire by means of vents or holes machined or fitted to the end of a rifle barrel. It is also effective at reducing and even eliminating barrel flash (the flame exiting the barrel after being fired).

It's brake not break.

It's slowing something down, not separating something.
Flash reducers are an entirely different animal.

I have to agree with almost everything posted so far. They have a reputation for accuracy, fine, but so do a lot of other guns. Congrats to Team Savage, those medals don't come easy.

I owned a highly accurate Savage VLSS that found it's way down the road. I just can't warm up to a gun that is just as Vapo described. (re: feeding, extraction, ejection) I've always thought the bolt looked like something out of a toy gun, too.

If you like em, great, they are just not for me.

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Originally posted by WhatThe:
I have the model 110-bas/k in .308

You dog! I wanted one but settled for a 110 FCP-K for 1/2 the price that I have just put on order. Need the other cash for optics. I'm looking forward to putting a "can" on it and try my hand at some long range fun.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Would this work?

NO

It has to feed.....the safety has to work, the cartridge must eject and extract.....and they don't!

Mine do!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Again my accolades....they finally fixed the worst trigger in the industry.....maybe someday their rifle will be simply ugly but functional.....

The AccuTrigger, or the one prior to that? I've
had no trouble with feeding or ejecting at all
in the VLP's (mine were made with the blind
mag, center feed). I aggree wholeheartedly with
the appearance of the black tupperware stocked
blued actions. Aesthetically, they have a lot
in common with a mud fence. But I do like the
appearance of the laminate stocked stainless
versions.

Sorry ya had a bad experience with yours, vapo.

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Originally posted by Ske1eter:

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Originally posted by WhatThe:
I have the model 110-bas/k in .308

You dog! I wanted one but settled for a 110 FCP-K for 1/2 the price that I have just put on order. Need the other cash for optics. I'm looking forward to putting a "can" on it and try my hand at some long range fun.

Nothing wrong with what FCP-K at all! In fact, some of the guys in our tac club prefer the lighter weight and conceal-ability of the FCP-K when camo and obstacles are involved. It's an awesome shooter 1 in 10 twist! Any easy 5" group at 600 yards! Be sure to break the barrel in right, makes a big difference!

Good luck

My baby: one of the main reasons I use the Bas/10 is that I am partial to the pistol grip and I have lots of rails to hang my goodies..

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Sorry ya had a bad experience with yours, vapo.

It wasn't just one.....it was three in a row!

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Originally posted by Oddbod:
It's brake not break.

It's slowing something down, not separating something.
Flash reducers are an entirely different animal.

There was an interesting article several years back that went into great detail regarding the design, principle and use of the muzzle break/brake. Oh and of course it's original name. You are correct when you say that "flash reducers are an entirely different animal" This is why I said that; the muzzle break/brake can even be "effective in REDUCING and even eliminating flash" You and I could agree that a flash suppressor is in fact more like a sound suppressor or "silencer" Are you suggesting that a muzzle break reduces the velocity of a fired bullet when you say "it's slowing something down"? Or rather it's slowing down the speed of the recoil or the famous equal and opposite reaction? This is where I think a debate could be born but I'm not the one to debate as my knowledge is really in the function of the device and not it's history, name etc,. The argument in favor comes from the gases being broken down into 2 stages. While the bullet makes it's short run through the break/brake gases are forced to escape in opposing directions that as we know counters each other reducing recoil, barrel lift etc,. So I can also buy "Break" as appropriate too.

You COULD call it a holey lump on the end of a rifle that looks like shit too. And you could make an argument regarding that.
'Course anyone that post a pix of that tacticool POS with the rail "to hang my goodies on" cant't be too much into aesthetics nor proper terminalogy.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Sorry ya had a bad experience with yours, vapo.

It wasn't just one.....it was three in a row!

Were they 110's?
Did ya call Joe DeGrande? If not, should have.
He has made even small problems (my own fault)
right with me.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
You COULD call it a holey lump on the end of a rifle that looks like shit too. And you could make an argument regarding that.
'Course anyone that post a pix of that tacticool POS with the rail "to hang my goodies on" cant't be too much into aesthetics nor proper terminalogy.

I do apologize, I always felt that these boards were here to share your opinions, pictures and engage in topics and even a few good steamy but friendly debates. I'm sorry that my POS rifle offends you or as you put it "holey lump on the end of a rifle that looks like shit too" I am also sorry that I don't share your craft in aesthetics or have your level of education for terminology. (However, you do need to work on your grammar and spelling) You must be very talented, skilled and well appreciated to state the opinion you shared with all. So with that, I bow to your wisdom and take your criticism as a lesson learned and will refrain from posting such nonsense in the future.

My deepest apologies.

All Mighty Wasbeeman..

I have 7 or so savage bolt guns in the house now by far the most accurate rifles out of the box thtt I have brought.

They make great varmint guns. I have had feeding trouble with them all.

I will not use a savage for a big game gun not haveing a round feed on a varmint gun is one thing. It could leave you dead or haveing spent large amounts of cash for nothing because of a miss fead round.

I have replace all the triggers old style. I have a savage ML with the new trigger it is a nice trigger. But then a ML is a slow loader any way.

I don't know how much or if any these rifles are tricked out.Either way these guy sure know how to shoot.
I have several savages 1 223 that really shoots,2 muzzleloaders,1 308 F/tr,1 260 with shelin barrel on savage action,1 6.5 x 284 heart barrel on savage action. 1 22/250 and all of them will shoot.
The target below was shot with the savage f/tr only thing that was done to it was adjust the trigger and take out the saftey in the triger.Trigger is set on 8 oz.

FanPhuckingTaskic Groups And Shooting ownensby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
All of those rifle came from the Savage custom shop. They're nothing like what you get over the counter at Wally World.
Kinda like saying "me'n Dale drive the same car".
However, good on them.

This is incorrect.

All those rifles were standard production rifles that came off the normal production line. They posted the complete story of that when they won the world championship at the beginning of the year.

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Originally posted by Fjold:

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
All of those rifle came from the Savage custom shop. They're nothing like what you get over the counter at Wally World.
Kinda like saying "me'n Dale drive the same car".
However, good on them.

This is incorrect.

All those rifles were standard production rifles that came off the normal production line. They posted the complete stroy of that when they won the world championship at the beginning of the year.

Not is he only wrong on this, Savage doesn't even have a "custom shop"

It's of no moment to me, but someone commented on the thumbholes stocks and the answer was they came from the custom shop.
If I'm wrong, fine but those ain't your father's Savage.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman: It's of no moment to me, but someone commented on the thumbholes stocks and the answer was they came from the custom shop. It's of no moment to me, but someone commented on the thumbholes stocks and the answer was they came from the custom shop.
If I'm wrong, fine but those ain't your father's Savage.

Before this thing gets out of hand, let me tell you I have no ill will towards you nor do I wish to engage in any tit for tat over a stupid gun. I have a relationship with Savage that is perhaps above and beyond that of others. Not that I am special, have abilities no one else does or anything else. With that, many manufactures have their stocks milled by others that specialize in that area while some do it all and have a "custom shop". You, I and others can read into this and probably come up with the same conclusion with out the banter in that; shops do what they can to produce the best product. But when you made your 1St. statement All of those rifle came from the Savage custom shop. They're nothing like what you get over the counter at Wally World. Kinda like saying "me'n Dale drive the same car". It clearly sounds like you put fourth that comment as if you knew and researched it yourself. Now you are claiming your statement was the result of some other persons word "It's of no moment to me, but someone commented on the thumbholes stocks and the answer was they came from the custom shop.I would recommend and of course this is just in my opinion, that you research your own facts prior to making any decisive comments and/or statements. And secondly if you don't like someone's rifle, pistol, car, house or whatever it may be, calling it POS on a public board were all are supposed to be sharing what they have and know and learning about what they don't, is not really a class act. And finally attacking the author "Course anyone that post a pix of that tacticool POS with the rail "to hang my goodies on" cant't be too much into aesthetics nor proper terminalogy." is the final act for what I believe these boards WERE NOT meant to achieve nor its purpose.

So in the future you can say. I'm not sure (so please don't hold me to it) but I read a post one time that said those rifles came from Savages custom shop."

And "I'm not a fan of that rifle, to me it looks like a good idea gone bad. But hey who am I, I'm glad you like it and happy it shoots good for you"

It's clear you don't like Savage for some reason and there others that share your opinion for reasons of their own. Everyone has a different taste and dances to different beats, but it's still no excuse to be-little anyone or rain on their parade just because you have a different view and taste.

Again, no ill will and hope this is not taken the wrong way and look forward to reading your posts in the future.

My Savage story is as follows:

Owned a couple of Savages in the past and all were under MOA shooters directly out of the box.
Still own a .223 lightweight lefty in their cheap black stock that will hold .5 moa at 100 yards for three shots every time it is taken to the range. This was the only Savage I owned that would not feed correctly so it went back for warranty work and now it functions fine.

Have a couple of lefty 12 Varminter Low Profile's coming my way later this week. One in .204 Ruger and the other in 22-250.

As much as I like theses rifles I still do not prefer to hunt big game with them. But for varmints and targets they have no equal.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I have 7 or so savage bolt guns in the house now by far the most accurate rifles out of the box thtt I have brought.

They make great varmint guns. I have had feeding trouble with them all.

I will not use a savage for a big game gun not haveing a round feed on a varmint gun is one thing. It could leave you dead or haveing spent large amounts of cash for nothing because of a miss fead round.

I have to agree, great shooting, poor feeding and extraction. Except one! The newest was a center feed 300 Win Mag, I converted to a 458 and gave to my cousin. That center feed is much much better, and it even cycles smoother. Feels like a more expensive gun. The finish was better than the others, too.

Actually Savage does have a custom shop, of sorts. If you call Effie at the factory she will take your order and assemble a gun using stock production components built just for you.

If you want a left bolt, right port, stainless action with a blue steel barrel chambered in any production cartridge with a thumbhole stock, they will do it for like $100 extra.

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Actually Savage does have a custom shop, of sorts. If you Effie at the factory she will take your order and assemble a gun using stock production components built just for you.

If you want a left bolt, right port, stainless action with a blue steel barrel chambered in any production cartridge with a thumbhole stock, they will do it for like $100 extra.

Well you are right, but it's not really a "custom shop" in the sense of a separate building or area designated and equipped with custom machining equipment and personnel to build one of a kinds. Perhaps your comment "of sorts" clarified that. In any event, they won't do a custom turn, chamber, barrel spec etc,. But as you stated, they can/will make stock modifications using pre-built parts. I'm betting that it won't be long before they do staff machinist and build a full on custom shop as the demand continues to grow..??

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Actually Savage does have a custom shop, of sorts. If you Effie at the factory she will take your order and assemble a gun using stock production components built just for you.

If you want a left bolt, right port, stainless action with a blue steel barrel chambered in any production cartridge with a thumbhole stock, they will do it for like $100 extra.

Yep, Effie Sullivan is great.

Like you said though, Savages Custom Shop merely takes existing production components and combines them in ways not cataloged by Savage. No extra machine work, no one off barrels, no glass bedding of special stocks, just different combinations.