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Who makes the mini mauser action for Remington's new 799? Any idea of accurate this rifle is? I don't see a twist rate on Remington's website. Hopfully it isn't the 1:12. If is a mini action how did they squeeze the 22-250 into it? | ||
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i think it's the same one's who make the 798, with other words zastava here's the original: http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/images/civilni/lovacki_karabini/14301.htm | |||
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They are made by Zastava out of Yugoslavia I believe. I have heard mix reviews on them. The gun writers seem to love them but have heard from some individuals that the fit and finish is sometimes left wanting. Sometimes you need to watch out for crooked scope mounting holes. "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." -- General George S. Patton | |||
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It is the same Zastava action as has been marketed as the Mini Mark X by Interarms, then by Charles Daly, now by Remington. The main difference is that Remington is using a laminated stock that is somewhat like the Rem 700 pattern in configuration, and is charging about $100 more for them than Daly did with a European walnut stock. I've owned a couple of them in their previous incarnations. They are serviceable, but may have a few rough edges. Despite the outward appearance and the designation "mini Mauser" the action is a push feed that does not use a claw extractor. With the popularity of the .222 family of cartridges, the 7.62x39 and PPC's, and the renewed interest in Hornets, Bees, and small wildcats, I'm puzzled that more manufacturers don't offer a small-framed bolt action like this or the Sako L461. I just hate seeing a .22 Hornet built on the same action that accomodates a .300 WSM. | |||
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it is NOT the same as a charles daly/mark x far rougher machining (remington is buying a specification in a contract, there didn' buy the plant) the stocks are HORRIBLY inletted, but again, to a spec, which they gave boyds and all in all, a joke jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Is there anywhere to get a decent quality mini mauser in .222 or .223 with a 20" barrel? Does anyone know what the twist is for the 799? Did Remington make the barrel? | |||
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I have a minty Interarms Mini-Mauser in 223 that I want to sell for $425 plus the actual shipping/insurnce cost. If you're interested, shoot me an email at remguy260@msn.com and we can coordinate off-line. I bought this rifle in 2004, SN 63xx, as the basis for a 6.8 SPC, but that project isn't going anywhere, so it is just gathering dust in some lonely corner of the gun room. Jeff | |||
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Sure, buy a Sako. I have no experience with the Model 75 and later, but the old L461 and A-I actions were among the slickest little jobs ever produced. Sako factory sporter barrels were 23.5", but if you want a 20" barrel, you can look for an H&R 317 which used the Sako action with a 20" barrel. | |||
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i hear you on the Sakos. I have 2 L579s and they are sweet. The L461s seem to be bringing a premium or I'd be after one of those, but of course if you have one at a right price then... | |||
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260remguy, PM sent. Does anyone know what the twist rate is on the 799? How about a twist rate for the Interarms mini? | |||
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I have/have had 2 different Mini-Mausers(both 223). I mistakenly sold my first one about 8 years ago. Picked up one that has some wear but mechanically sound last spring. Both are what would be considered the first editions. They don't have the extra "anti-bind" groove cut in the bolt. I've worked both and the action is a bit "bindy". However once you fire it a number of times you get use to it's idiocinracies. The accuracy is/was superbe with both. The stock & trigger are decent but serviceable. I have changed the stock to the Bell & Carlson which makes for a much better fit & feel. Next is the Timney trigger; however the stock trigger will work if you don't go below 2#. IMHO the current Remington stock is awfully "clubby" feeling. It's laminated design probably adds 1/2-3/4 poind to the weight. The older Interarms stock is better with the BC stock the best. The magazine box is a bit short so handloads with BT or other plastic tipped slugs cn't be pushed out toward the lands as the overall lenght won't fit. For me the 55g Sierra BTHP Gameking solves this problem. Just about any powder in the 2950-3100fps shoot tight groups. My sons have both shot smallish deer using 63g Sierra Gamekings atop W748. Both shoot sweet little groups. I like the gun with a trimmer scope to fit the trim overall size. Mine has the Leupold VariX-I 2-7X which makes a good fit. I'll try to post a pic or 2 later this evening after work. Pete A. | |||
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Thanks Pete. I would really like to see a picture of yours | |||
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Here's a Charles Daly with a B&C stock rebarreled to 7mm BR, 2-7 Nikon in Leupold QWR that are a bit too hi. The action needs a bit of smoothing. 5/8 group, but it'll do better.   | |||
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Hardin; I have a couple of books by Frank de Haas. He does a good write up on this rifle. If you send me a fax # I'll make a copy & send to you. Here's a few pics:  [/URL] I did a bit different color. Mine is with Millet low mounts, Leupold 2-7x VariX I. Note this is the original stock which is plain but not unpleasing. the BC stock drops about 6oz. My plan is eventually replace barrel with 6 TCU which is basically a 6-223. Pete A. pauban@comcast.net | |||
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Thanks for the pics! The Rem 799 is 1:12 twist in .223 & 1:14 in .222 | |||
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Yes it is a push feed. The 798's are "controlled round feed." Remington uses the term "Mini-Mauser" action in quotes every time they reference the 799. I guess they think we are easily duped... And yes, having seen MANY Interarms Mini Mark X (TEN) and Charles Daly rifles, it looks the same to me, only year 2007 (8?  ) cheaper.Big Green is at it again. | |||
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How about the CZ's are they considered mini-Mausers? | |||
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"Absolutely"! This is from CZ's web site. "CZ 527 has won more awards in the "light rifle" category in Europe than any other rifle - ever. Designed to fit the small base calibers perfectly, the CZ 527 is a true micro length Mauser style action and features controlled round feed, a detachable magazine, hammer forged barrel and single set trigger. The dovetail on all CZ 527's is 16mm. · True micro length action · Controlled round feed · Hammer forged barrel · Single set trigger" I use the 527's a lot for platforms for small caliber wildcats. They are reasonably priced and make exceptionally accurate project rifles. I am particularly fond of the Varmint model with the HS Precision Kevlar stock with the aluminum bedding block. As to fitting the .22-250, if it does it might be a small Mauser but not what they call a mini or a micro not that it would matter to me if I wanted a .22-250. For what I do CZ offers the most bang out there for the buck in my opinion. I believe I have 8 or 9 em in one guise or the other. I'm the first to admit that they are just a titch course but it adds to the allure for me when it doesn't take the fanciest piece on the planet to have a real shooter. Some don't like the box magazine, I do or pull it alltogether and use a blind follower. I see them as an excellent gun for value. "If a man buys a rifle at a gun show and his wife doesn't know it"...Did he really buy a rifle? Firearm Philosophy 101. montdoug | |||
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I sold my Cz 527. It was a shooter. I just didn't like the mag digging into my side when carrying with a sling or the backwards AZZ safety. Forward to safe, rearward to fire??? They need to fix that. Is there a conversion for the CZ safety? | |||
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I have a CZ527 Varmint in .223. It flat shoots. It has the best out-of-the-box trigger I have used. As for the box magazine I can see some people not liking it and I admit it took a while to get used to it hanging down. As for the safety, I don’t know anybody with a conversion kit to fix the backAZZwards front safe/rear fire safety (a model 70 safety would be nice). I would maybe install one although I have gotten used to it now and it seems fairly natural to flick it back to fire. It is “wrong†much like the lever safety on my old Savage 99. just takes some getting used to. My CZ has the blonde Maple stock and I have actually had people at the range come over to see my “really nice looking rifle.†When I tell them it is a CZ, about half of them don’t believe me. And yes, the CZ is a true micro-length Mauser action. | |||
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You might consider a Browning Abolt SSA . I bought one for my son and it is a very small action .Not a true mauser but it does have a number of features .I like the 60 degree bolt . | |||
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How does it shoot? I have seen inconsistency in the ABolts shooting ability. Some flat shoot, some do not, about the same as Ruger. Well built and finished, but a crapshoot. | |||
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Flippy my son's Abolt is shooting 1" groups with Blackhills 50gr Vmax load in the blue box . It's not really broken in yet . We've only fired about 50 rounds .So far it shoots very well . | |||
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The Sako or the Cz would be a great choice if you want a true mini Mauser. I have owned both and never had any complaints. I use to compete with the Sako at a 100 yard rang and had no trouble beating the high dollar custom guns. But I know that the CZ's are a less expensive and would shoot with the SAko or even out shoot them. | |||
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I had a mini-mauser some years ago, and it is not a true mauser action. I never found the right scope mounts for it, and the ones that came on it were crudely shimed. I looked at a Remington 798 at Gander mountain, and the metal looked good, but the stock was crudely inletted. It was relativly cheap. Get a good stock and it would be a decent outfit. | |||
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Pete, with the B&C stock did you have to use the steel pillars that were in the Mark X stock? | |||
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