Sorry, they sold already.

Guess what? I'm selling a quantity of 172 Nosler .257 caliber 100 gr E-tip Seconds.

GREAT deal!

I listed them over on 24hourcampfire.com as well, so if you want them, "Snooze you Loose".

http://forums.accuratereloadin...951077931#1951077931

Alan

Alan,
Anytime i'm doing load development I remove the swivel studs, sometimes it's the little things that count. I was having trouble getting a rifle to group and just putting talcum powder on the bags made a dramatic difference in the group size. As far as .257 Roberts being finicky, I have a 722 that regularly shoots one hole groups with 100gr Sierra FB bullets.
Nice looking rifle by the way.

Stepchild

SOLD in 57 seconds over on the campfire.

Sorry guys.

Alan

Still getting better. Here is 100 Nosler BT's with IMR 4350, 42.1 gr to 43.5 gr in .4 gr increments; right out of the Nosler #6 load data book. Several groups are sub MOA or just over.



Alan

Don't forget that your E-tip Seconds were sold as just that. It might have been for a reason.....perhaps a box that met their standards might be worthwhile.

I have and have shot lots of seconds. Most of the time they are just fine for me, but not always.

Cheers,

Dan

You may have some groups that are under 1", but that does not make an MOA rifle make. Those groups look bad. It could be several things. I would first and foremost put a different scope on it. A scope that is shooting very small groups ona rifle right now. I have seen the most expensive scopes be bad right out of the box, not to mention the scores of lesser scopes that went bad after normal use. While you are swapping scopes, make sure the rings and bases are correctly installed.

As has been mentioned, the quality of the handloads needs to be checked. Plus forget "seconds" anything except for plinking. And at this stage of the game, forget about playing with slightly different powder charges. Try different bullets with maybe 2 powders each, shooting several groups with each load. If something shows promise, then start worrying about changing the charges here and there.

OK, now for what I imagine you least want to hear, but is (just BARELY) behind a bad scope is the barreling job. I saw on your other thread that Kreiger installed the barrel. Unless some things have drastically changed, it was a piss poor barreling job by standards expected by the typical AR member. I would bet you a proven accuracy scope that the barrel was not dialed in and the action was most definitely not "blue printed." If I had to guess you need a new barrel to get good accuracy with a wide variety of loads. If what you have tried is giving you the poor results you posted above, I would be very worried. barrel makers are the absolute last people I would ever pay to install a barrel.

Other than that-send it to a GOOD woodsmith and have them go over the bedding. If they call it good, then glass bedding will not do anything for you. Full contact wood to metal rifles can shoot extremely well, so i would not expect miracles from free floating.

ETA-I would contact the original owner and ask him how it shot and with what loads. If you are upfront and tell him you are having problems but are not looking for a refund, then he may at least tell you it always shot bad.

ETA(2)-if you wind up having to rebarrel it, you can send the barrel to Kreiger and they can duplicate the contour but add say +.010" to the profile. The metalsmith can then fit the barrel with benchrest methods and a good wood person can inlet the metal back in the wood to the same standards that it is right now.

That is a totally kick-ass looking rifle and even if you have to rebarrel her, she is going to be soemthing to love for years

Always fun talk about the .257 Roberts. My Ruger shoots 110 gr. Accubonds and 117 gr. Prohunters with H4831 powder very accurately.

I had a Winchester M70 Featherweight that shot groups like that. Damn thing almost drove me sane. I had it glass bedded,a trigger job and even firelapped the barrel to no avail. I was almost ready to take it to a gun show and sell it off for whatever I could get. The only thing I did not try was change the scope. After all, it was a brand new Leupold and they're good scopes right? Now I really liked the way this rifle felt and handled so reluctantly I pulled the ope and replaced it with a used Tasco I had laying around that I knew was good. I bore sighted the rig and hauled my fat rear end to the range, did the 25 yard bit to be sure I was gonna be on the paper at 100 yards and fired the first group at 100 yards. I figured I'd try 3 shot groups. Well, I shot 3 and had one raggedy little hole. What the hell let's try 2 more. I go down to the target and the group measured .75" So I let the gun cool off for a while and shoot as carefully as I know how, 5 more shots. The group was .80". There was nothing wrong with the gun but with a brand new scope. FWIW, I sent the scope back to Leupold and when it came back it worked perfectly. Took thenm only a wek to get it back to me. can't beat sevice like that with any kind of ugly stick. Change that scope and see what happens.
Paul B.

Think I should have added a couple of things to my post. If you are not experienced, pay a good gunsmith to mount the new scope for you. He shoule be able to tell if the rings and bases are currently set up directly. Of course, I have seen a "gunsmith" ruin a scope before, so choose wisely.

As for what a good metalsmith can do is check your crown and borescope the barrel to look for anything wrong-especially the throat.

OK, please do not be offended here, but I don't know you so I do have to ask if you have consistently shot small groups with other rifle. It would not hurt to have someone else shoot it.

When shooting, if you get a good group, shoot 4 more groups (total of 5 groups) with the exact same load. shooting a couple of groups per load really tells you nothing.

Bag technique can be critical, especially wit either light or full contact barrel rifles. Play around with how you bag it if you get a good group or three. I think free floated barrel rifles are far more forgiving of bag technique

Well, it has been a month. Any updates on what you have done and what you have found out? Hopefully she is shooting as good as she looks by now.

Marc,

Had to take a time out as the elk hunt jumped upon me and I settle on the 100 gr TTSX with 46.5 gr of Ramshot Hunter for a confusing 3040 or 3200 fps. Bassically I had issues with my chronograph. I settled on 3200 fps as the drops were on for my Boone & Crocket reticle out to 500 yds.



This is my 300 yd zeroing target for the 100 TTSX.


Days before leaving to hunt elk I wanted to see what it would look like @ 200 yds.


The 100 BT and IMR 4350 worked out a bit better but didn't feel comfortable using it on a spike elk.


100 Partitions and IMR 4350 looked good.


Here is the 115 PT and H4831sc


Last evening of the elk hunt.


Might go pop a hog with it in a few weeks.

Alan

Oh, and as to my shooting ability. Last month, I took 5th place in the Utah State Sniper Shoot. The same day I was shooting my 300,400 and 500 yd drops with the 100 TTSX I shot this with my 6.5x47 Lapua which I shoot sniper matches with.


Please let the issue of my shooting ability be put to rest!

A very accurate load in several .257s I own is 48 to 50 gr. of RL-22 behind a 120 Hornady HP in +P cases with a WLR.....

A well-known Colorado riflesmith turned me on to this bullet years ago and it is an amazing bullet, both accuracy and killing-wise...

That is one beautiful .257 you have....

I had to see if a guy with a user name woodhick was from PA. Not many woodhicks in other states.

It looks like you still cannot count on the rifle to shoot consitent good groups. What is the next step? Did you call the previous owner? Have you called the gunmaker? Have you picked just one load and fired 5, 5 shot groups without changing or touching anything?