Price is important but clearly not the goal.....good functioning and accuracy is what I'm looking for.

I've already decided against the Ruger 77/22 for it's poor trigger and accuracy.....I expect the gun to hit a half dollar fairly consistently at 100 yards.....

Both CZ and Savage make a 22 hornet but I have no info on them....the Savage accutrigger is clearly a fine item so it's cleared in that respect

What's the opinions on who's gun I should buy?

I see a few Ruger #1 rifles available but have no confidence in their accuracy as well....single shot rifles are definitely in the running.

I have two savage axis11 accu-triggers one in 223 and one in 22/250. triggers adjust down to about 2 3/4# to 3#..
They both shoot minute of angle at 100 yrd.
The 223 I use your Blc-2 load with 52gr speer match HPBT.
The 22/250 I am still working on loads with sierra 52 gr bullets.
if I were in the market for a Hornet I would sure give the Savage a good look

I have a CZ 527 in .22 Hornet and I'd never part with it. Can't speak to the Savage as I don't have one. If the little ones shoot like the 10/100 then I'd have a look as well.

I've has a CZ 527 for several years. Accuracy about .7" at 100 yds. Cartridge oal is limited by the box magazine, and bullet selection is a bit limited by the 1 in 16 rifling twist. I really like the Sierra 40 grain Hornet bullets. They shoot accurately and work perfectly. But I tend to be a bit old fashioned...

I have a Browning "low wall" single shot in the hornet. The little rifle is real easy on the eyes a real cute little rifle AND it shoots really, really well.

Good luck
Marcos (elalto)

I have had a few Hornets, Brno/CZ, BSA, Sako's are nice & the BSA Hunter/Regent is one, if not the only one with a internal magazine that works well but my Anschutz is just crazy accurate, it will put them in the same ragged hole all day if there is no wind !

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Originally posted by H47:
I've has a CZ 527 for several years. Accuracy about .7" at 100 yds. Cartridge oal is limited by the box magazine, and bullet selection is a bit limited by the 1 in 16 rifling twist. I really like the Sierra 40 grain Hornet bullets. They shoot accurately and work perfectly. But I tend to be a bit old fashioned...

The magazine length is easily fixed but, as you said, what's the point due to the 16" twist.

I've decided 45 grains and some short 50's are plenty heavy enough in the Hornet. For heavier, I've decided to build a .221 FB.

kimber,browning lowall,browning micor medallion,martini cadet,anchutz old mod 70 cooper
have i missed any new ways t0 spend your money??

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Originally posted by butchloc:
kimber,browning lowall,browning micor medallion,martini cadet,anchutz old mod 70 cooper
have i missed any new ways t0 spend your money??

Goodness....you probably have a slew of them sitting around.....and I'll e going by your place n a few days on my way salmon fishing.....do you have any good shooters to sell?.....

Good decision on the Ruger 77 hornet and #1 hornet. Been there and wasted a lot of money. They are not accurate!
I have had a Browning A bolt and Kimber 82 both were quite accurate.
For many years now I have had a sporter barrel and heavy barrel anschutz 1730.
Both are tack drivers, about 3/4” five shots at 100 yards.

What about a Weihrauch HW66 J https://www.weihrauch-sport.de...ters/hw-60-j?lang=en

I'm currently eyeing off one in .17 Hornet, I think it'd be a fun little rifle for small game and pest control and easier to get shooting well than the .22H version - or maybe I just like to be different

I'd recommend a Winchester Model 54 or Savage 23D if you aren't in a hurry.

CZ full stock was a great experience; one of those guns that make you wonder how dumb was it to sell it. Accurate and easy to load (Lil'Gun).

Anschutz would be my pick, or perhaps a Cooper.

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perhaps a Cooper

I looked at their website.....good looking guns for sure and they do have a fine reputation for quality. They even chamber for another fine old round.....the .218 Bee.....LOVE IT!

Whether I love it $2500 worth is in question.....

Years ago I had a Krico with double-set triggers that shot great. Light, handy, steel DBM with slightly European lines. Similar to Anschutz but less $.

The old Kimber of Oregon were all pretty good quality rifles if you could find one that is not collector quality priced. I have a factory K hornet that has been a good shooter. Finding mags could be problematic.

I wouldn't write off the Ruger 77/22 hornets out of hand. I have 4 of them, two sporter and two HB, one of which has been set back and rechambered to 22K. One of the sporters is a solid 1 MOA shooter with 35 gr. Vmax bullets and 2400. The rifle that has been worked over is a 1/2 MOA shooter out to 200 yds using the 40 gr. Nosler VG bullet and WW296 at 3150 fps at the muzzle. The other two rifles are about 1.5MOA shooters, and are still projects waiting for their day.
I really like my CZ527, but the Hornet magazine length is so short that the start of the ogive in near the case mouth. Before I opted for a CZ527 in 22 Hornet, I'l look and see if I could find a 527 in 221 Fireball.

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Originally posted by Johnly:
I wouldn't write off the Ruger 77/22 hornets out of hand. I have 4 of them, two sporter and two HB, one of which has been set back and rechambered to 22K. One of the sporters is a solid 1 MOA shooter with 35 gr. Vmax bullets and 2400. The rifle that has been worked over is a 1/2 MOA shooter out to 200 yds using the 40 gr. Nosler VG bullet and WW296 at 3150 fps at the muzzle. The other two rifles are about 1.5MOA shooters, and are still projects waiting for their day.
I really like my CZ527, but the Hornet magazine length is so short that the start of the ogive in near the case mouth. Before I opted for a CZ527 in 22 Hornet, I'l look and see if I could find a 527 in 221 Fireball.

The CZ magazine takes all of 5 minutes to lengthen. Super easy. Mine is long enough to seat Hornady 50 gr SPSX's. But yeah, I'd love to find one in 221 FB.

So far the CZ seems to be the rifle of choice.....

Hi Guys
I have a CZ 527 in 204 with a great single set trigger easily 1/2 MOA.If the hornet shoots anywhere close to the 204 you can't go wrong.
Take care. Bill

Does this trip anyone's trigger?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/762683534

Vapo, my trigger is easily tripped by hornets. I have a TC but it is a custom barrel. Yes, it is splendid. I also have a pre war afore mentioned Sav 23. .223 groove that is fine too. Thru the years in various hornets I have had 3 things made everything good. Lil Gun powder, pistol primers and a judicious crimp.

Be careful of the 77/22's. They could be good or bad; I've had both. Operative word being HAD. Still love my .22 version though.

I have a Kimber of Oregon LH in 22 Hornet.

Very accurate, good looking rifle.

I picked up an as new CZ ZKW 465, wearing a Nickel Supra scope this past weekend. I'm not too impressed with the scope but the rifle is really nifty!

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I picked up an as new CZ ZKW 465, wearing a Nickel Supra scope this past weekend. I'm not too impressed with the scope but the rifle is really nifty!

The ZKW 465 is a Brno, not a CZ. Different companies as one is the successor to the other. But the ZKW 465 is probably the ultimate in accurate Hornets. I own four Hornets -- a Kimber M82 Custom Classic, a Sako Model 78, a Brno ZKW 465, and a Ruger 77/22H with a custom barrel and trigger in .22 KH. All are accurate, but the Brno is the finest of the lot, especially with its fine double set trigger. However, a nice one will set you back a considerable amount these days.

Brno ZKW was designed by the Koucky brothers at Brno and the rifles were built at Zbrojovka Brno as were the 22 LR rifles ZKM models 1 through 5
These were the first Sporting productions by ZB
The ZKK series were also designed by the Koucky's at Brno but were all built by CZ

Brno sold the ZKW to other factories who rebranded then

So here is my ZKW and the 2nd rifle is a Krico rebranded ZKW going by designation ZKW 1

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Brno sold the ZKW to other factories who rebranded then

So here is my ZKW and the 2nd rifle is a Krico rebranded ZKW going by designation ZKW 1

The Krico is identical (or virtually so) to the Brno action, but I've read (not certain of the veracity of the author) that the Brno action was NOT built by Brno but by a contractor on the Brno patent. Like I say, I can't vouch for the accuracy of this information, but it's out there.

Nonetheless, I've found the Kricos I've seen or owned to be outstanding rifles and am fascinated by the "Brno" action on the early Krico small centerfires. I'd love to own one like your "ZKW 1". I notice that your Krico has a single trigger. I'm guessing that the same rifle was available with double set triggers like your Brno since most Kricos I've seen had them.

P.S.: Too bad that the Koucky Brothers didn't know which direction a safety is supposed to operate. Otherwise, they did a pretty good job of miniaturizing Paul Mauser's design.

Stonecreek & ALF

Thank you for the correction and lesson on the Brno ZKW 465. Early Brno rifles are scarce around here and my knowledge on them thin.

I trudged through the snow for a quick five round test fire from the bench today. At 100 yards the first four went into 5/8" but I pulled the last shot for an honest 1" group. I think that's great for a 22 Hornet factory rifle made in 1958 with a low power scope of questionable quality.

I also have a pre-war mod.70 Hornet that shoots well but is fussy about the bullets it likes.

I have 3 hornets: a 77/22 VHZ, a TC contender, and a cooper M38. All 3 are pretty accurate, with the cooper at the head of the pack. The ruger is the heavy stainless barrel version and it will shoot 1/2moa at 100 yards with the 35gr vmax. The 35vmax is nice because it fits the magazine. In the single shots I like the 40 or 50 grain plastic tip types.

Just for sake of completeness

So the Koucky's might have been direction confused when it came to Safeties but they sure designed lovely guns

The ZKM 451 no 1 with original ZKF 43 Scope



ZKM 451 no 2



ZKM 455 no 3



No 3 Micrometer sight





ZKM 573 No 5



ZKM 581

I have a Ruger 77. It will group between 1/2" and 3/4" with the 35 gr, V-Max and 13 gr. of Lilgun. PM me if you're interested. I have quit going after PD's account of my age.

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
I have a Ruger 77. It will group between 1/2" and 3/4" with the 35 gr, V-Max and 13 gr. of Lilgun. PM me if you're interested. I have quit going after PD's account of my age.

Thank you for that willingness to bargain on the gun.....however I've read way too much negative about the Ruger and must psss on the opportunity.

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Thank you for that willingness to bargain on the gun.....however I've read way too much negative about the Ruger and must psss on the opportunity.

The early 77/22H's seemed to have a lot of difficulties in the accuracy department. Later production seems to have solved much of that. I warned a friend (after the fact) when he bought a 77/22H HB model, but it has turned out to be an excellent shooter. When you find one that groups well then, well, it groups well and the fact that it shares the same manufacturer and model number with others that don't is not particularly relevant.

You asked if the Contender Carbine tripped anyone's trigger? Yes it does. I have a stainless model in a home made stock that I wouldn't sell for anything. It will hit your 50 cent piece all day. My Grandson shot a 50 shot group the size of a 50 cent piece, (1 1/2 in), I would like a repeater but right now its the only one I have. If it were me looking I wouldn't count the contender out but a nice repeater, an honest 1/2 inch gun would be nice. DW

I have a rare bird of a Hornet..A Griefelt & Sons, Suhl, Germany...Its accurate as hell, and one of the most beautiful Hornets Ive ever seen, but hey its the only one Ive seen..I did a writeup on it in the first above post under this small arms topic..

The Hornets a different world of hand loading and a learning experience, but such a sweet little gun..

Todays Hornets? I suspect the CZ is your best bet..basedl on your post..

I get weak in the knees when Alf posts those Brno HOrnets and 22 L.R.s...They don't make'm like that anymore...I bought and sold a ton of those 22 L.R. from a gunshow guy in San Antonio for $100. each, refinished the stocks and blued them and sold the for $350 to $400 depending on the wood..I kick myself for not hanging on to at least one of them...Every one of them shot great, super accurate..That Hornet is beautiful, my best friend has one, but he is married to it..Id just love to have an affair with it if nothing else!

I have pre-war mod. 70 it loves the old nosler 45gr. hornet bt. I have a load that scoots that along at a little over 2800. no hot pressure signs. using ww296 br4 primers.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
kimber,browning lowall,browning micor medallion,martini cadet,anchutz old mod 70 cooper
have i missed any new ways to spend your money??

Don't forget pre-64 Winchester Model 70. I have one which had been converted to .222, and I had it converted back, medium heavy barrel, shoots like a house afire.