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Thank you! Thank you very much! What a great crowd!

I'll be here all week.... Don't forget to tip your waitresses and bartenders!


By By RC.....who is he preaching to now? Gone from here and 24 tu2

I just sent him a PM on 24 hour.....apparently he's still there.



Did he answer???


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Hasn't answered my PM I sent him and it's been a week...I was trying to make a reservation at his Italion eatery in NM


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Hasn't answered my PM I sent him and it's been a week...I was trying to make a reservation at his Italion eatery in NM

He did answer mine however....


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Hasn't answered my PM I sent him and it's been a week...I was trying to make a reservation at his Italion eatery in NM

He did answer mine however....



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I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin
 
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I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin



Like most? Did you take a poll?


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I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin

Indeed I do....just don't waste my time reading lack of substance posts.

As to the answer....I did receive a reply as I said to Ted's post.

I've noticed a similar "lack of substance" debate with Will on the double rifles forum.

When it comes to DG hunting Will has been there.....I'd listen to his advice anyday!....

I wonder how many folks arguing with him have even seen a wild elephant or Cape Buffalo while hunting.....talk is cheap on these forums!


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Did he answer???


I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin

Indeed I do....just don't waste my time reading lack of substance posts.

As to the answer....I did receive a reply as I said to Ted's post.

I've noticed a similar "lack of substance" debate with Will on the double rifles forum.

When it comes to DG hunting Will has been there.....I'd listen to his advice anyday!....

I wonder how many folks arguing with him have even seen a wild elephant or Cape Buffalo while hunting.....talk is cheap on these forums!



If you do not read posts with a lack of substance, then you probably don't read your own posts.


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Did he answer???


I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin

Indeed I do....just don't waste my time reading lack of substance posts.

As to the answer....I did receive a reply as I said to Ted's post.

I've noticed a similar "lack of substance" debate with Will on the double rifles forum.

When it comes to DG hunting Will has been there.....I'd listen to his advice anyday!....

I wonder how many folks arguing with him have even seen a wild elephant or Cape Buffalo while hunting.....talk is cheap on these forums!


Sure is; I've shot Cape Buffalo with a slingshot while in Africa , so what?



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With all the talk around here about the spectacular performance of .22 caliber varmint bullets on big game(and light for caliber at that) I really wanted to find the answer to this myself. Wink

I also took the fact into consideration that if you have no real world experience with a subject, you really shouldn't voice an opinion about it. So I'd like to tell you all about my morning... Wink


I was up early. I did some things around the house like laundry, neck turning some 7mm RUM brass...you know, the normal, everyday grind. Then the idea came to me. I wonder if what determines a "clean kill" is all about bullet placement? I decided to find out. Once and for all!

I threw my .17 HMR in the truck right next to my A-Bolt .300 Winchester Magnum that I had accidentally dropped in a cow pie yesterday. There was TEANCUM dried all over it and it really stunk up the cab. I left it on there because it seemed to make the rifle more stealthy. Anyway, I drove down to an area north of town that has some farm raised Bison just off of a busy highway. Folks stop a lot there to take pictures of them. I stopped and got out of the truck with my HMR and walked over to the high fence and began glassing. The look on the faces of the folks taking photos was one for the books...

The herd didn't seem to be wary at all. I guess they haven't been hunted in a while. I glassed the entire herd and saw a ton of cows. Bringing up the rear, herding his harem was the herd bull. He looked frantic, hot and tired of running off all of the smaller satellite bulls trying to steal his cows. They're rutting right now. I ranged him at 296 yards then reached for the HMR. I took a rest off of the square high wire fencing. I let the crosshairs settle in behind his right front shoulder and began to squeeze the trigger. I wanted to make a good shot with perfect placement to test this theory. Believe me, it was very difficult filtering out the screams and yelling of the folks taking the pictures! Kinda like in Caddyshack when Danny was lining up his match-winning putt to the shouts of "miss it Noonan!"

When the gun went off it surprised me..a perfectly executed shot. I saw the 17 grain bullet hit the bull right where I wanted it; there was a puff of dust off of his hide. It was a "bang, flop". Or more like a "Pop, flop". People scattered back to their cars. I was shocked that no one applauded. I thought to myself, "Self, this 'placement' deal has some merit!".

I quickly drove over the fence and right up to the beast and began field dressing it into the coolers I brought. Since I was alone, it took me much longer than I had expected, about 13 minutes to do a good job. I love buffalo meat!

On my way out, a smallish herd of field mice ran out in front of the truck on the dirt road. I had to stop the truck to let them pass. Some of them were definitely Boone and Crockett. Since I was just meat hunting, I picked out one of the younger ones and reached for a rifle. The one that looked good and that I had a clear shot at was still pink with very little hair. The rifle I came up with was the .300 WM. After ranging them at 25 feet, or about 8 yards, I dialed in the proper dope into the scope and took a rest off of my side mirror. The wind was perfect; they had no idea I was even in the same county! I was so excited that I made a poor shot. It was either that or the crusty cow pie stuff I was trying to get out of the corner of my mouth after I cheeked the rifle. The 200 grain GameKing hit the adolescent mouse too far back and he was off and running. I got out and tried to track him but the 8" tall weeds in the area made tracking a nightmare.

I never found him before the police came. hilbily


It's all about shot placement! lol


It's still a good yarn now, but doesn't hold a candle to my 500 yard HMR moose shot
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Can anyone play?

Well its a long story but as a friend of mine is want to say, I'll make a long story short.
Basically, no animals were harmed during the composition of my post. I had yougurt for breakfast, coffee and a banana. I had two eggs also, but not bacon or ham. (You know the story about bacon and eggs. For the chicken its no big deal, but for the pig its total commitment.) So far so good.
Now as to the substance of the post. This is one of my success stories that I don't tell to often and usually only to my closest associates as folks that don't know me might question my veracity. Lord knows after 32 years of marriage,kids and grandkids I couldn't take that.
I've mentioned before on one thread or another that there are so many coons at my lease (the four legged kind) that I 'bout run out of ammo putting them down. Well at first, as I'm usually needing to slake my thirst, I'd try takin' those coons the best three out of four shots.



After a while, the word got out. Them coons would be lined up for a hundred yards just waitin' to try me on (or maybe they just liked Jim Beam). But that got expensive as I get less than 20 shots out of a bottle.


Being a man of modest means I decided that a brite-white smile was a renewable resource and really didn't take that much effort. So I've taken to grinning them into submission. Well I got to thinking, what if I could do this with big game animals.
I tried it on an axis buck. Brushed my teeth twice that morning. Splashed on some red fox cover scent for good measure. He didn't have a chance. Once he was stunned, I just ambled up and made him the offer that if he would trade his coat for my old carhart denim shirt, I'd quit grinnin' at him. Being at a disadvantage and it was pretty warm out He agreed. Didn't even have to skin him.
That's the true story of how I came up with the cape pictured below.




PS, I also left him with some SPF 30 sunblock. I think I got the better part of the bargain, but I didn't want him to get a sunburn.
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Good one Geedubya! Considering the level of nonsense with which this post was started; I'd say it's fair game for anyone and everyone. Although I wasn't joking about the cape. Not enough momentum to put him down, but it sure raised a dust cloud off his butt.



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Did he answer???


I think Vapo has you on "ignore" like most, so maybe he'll see it now. Big Grin

Indeed I do....just don't waste my time reading lack of substance posts.

As to the answer....I did receive a reply as I said to Ted's post.

I've noticed a similar "lack of substance" debate with Will on the double rifles forum.

When it comes to DG hunting Will has been there.....I'd listen to his advice anyday!....

I wonder how many folks arguing with him have even seen a wild elephant or Cape Buffalo while hunting.....talk is cheap on these forums!



When it comes to DG it seems that I am not the only one that disagrees with Will
As the following quotes proves and from a man with more experience than Will and one that actually understands what he observes

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On most stations we had .500 NE 'jesse guns'. I have never used one but have seen them in use. They certainly hit harder than any .458 or even .470. If you wish to see a serious reaction to a buff geting hit then smack it in the engine room with a .500NE and a decent soft point.

Just finished a hunt where client (fairly famous US gun writer) hit a buff twice with solids from a .500NE and we never did find the buff.

And for will..all six charges I faced in my first year in parks we handled by me alone and I used a 9,3x62 for all of them.

The old rule for stopping buff (with solids) was to fire the first round low in the chest- a heart shot buff will not come back to finish you off even if he hits you- then keep the second barrel until he is within spitting distance and put a shot on the nose.

Personally I don't like my buff so close and with a bolt action you have only one shot and I cannot truthfully say I have seen enough difference in terminal effect between a 9,3 and a .416 or .458 win to bother about upgunning.

If you want a real buff thumper buy a .500 Jeffery - that makes them take notice even with relatively poor shots.

.45-70 kill buff just fine. They do not make the muzzel energy requirements in many places but nobody asks questions. I have never seen a .45-70 load yet that I would consider safe for use on elephant but on buff...don't think your PH will complain.


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Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
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I have used the 222, 223, 22-250 and 6x45 on game up to 300 or more pounds, but mostly on deer and Africn antelope..They all work if you use a good strong bullet and place the in the right spot..

The bigger guns also work under the same circumstances..

The bigger guns give you more range of sure killing power by a good deal.

The bigger guns leave a much much better blood trail and that is most important..


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They all work if you use a good strong bullet and place the in the right spot..


...as proven by the 17 grain HMR TNT on the American Bison I pounded at over 300 yards! Well-placed right behind the big bull's shoulder, broadside....
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