I have made a special $125.00 donation to the NRA to fight this including $25.00 to their School Safety Program. And have written letters to my representatives.
Yet some on here don't do anything except call me an idiot. Don't just be a blowhard. Donate and write!!!

Good for you, I sent one in too.
How many times are you going to repeat this?

George

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Originally posted by swampshooter:
It has been proposed that AR-15's and AK's etc. be made class 3 weapons. I'm not really opposed to it as it would not really affect me much. What do you guys think?

What an incredibly STUPID idea. Let the gov'mint declare any weapon they want to be Class-3; eventually, almost all firearms will be there.

Just say NO to any anti-2A legislation.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

quote:

I'm not really opposed to it as it would not really affect me much. What do you guys think?

Your bolt action sniper rifles well be next.

Only the black, scary sniper rifles.

Seriously, Hitler didn't begin with his monstrous, hideous control of murder and mayhem. He began
by incrementally implementing them, JUST as the anti's in other countries have done with their
gun laws. That's what they're attempting to do here.....and they call conservatives "Nazis"!

I absolutely have no use for AR-15's at all. However, I am totally against the gun grabbers
getting their big feet in the door with any law we have left which will take away any of our
2d Amendment rights.

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Originally posted by georgeld:
Good for you, I sent one in too.
How many times are you going to repeat this?

George

Until everyone catches on?

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:
It's the camel's nose under the tent.

Counter with a proposal for mandatory firearms safety training in elementary schools, just like sex education.

Why do you think the proposal is to make them class 3?

Let that sink in a bit. The proposal is rarely to get rid of a gun or all guns. It is always to limit gun ownership to a small ruling authority....think hunger games and you will be close.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

I'm not really opposed to it as it would not really affect me much.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Hijack apology in advance, but I fixed it for you:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Leftist, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Leftist.

Then they came for the Liberals, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Liberal.

After that our problems pretty much stopped so they stopped coming for people.

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This

I own more AR15 rifles then I do bolt guns

To make AR's class 3 or even consider it is beyond ignorant.
Those of you that say "I've never had a use for an AR" need to expand your horizons just a touch.
I've found them to be enormously useful for Coyotes, prairie dogs and in the last few years Deer hunting.
The quick switch barrel is an absolute dream for those that want to change caliber and try something new without going to a gunsmith and having a new barrel installed on a rifle. I can now do this at home easily with an AR
I started off with AR's in .223 pretty standard but have been able to change barrel and explore the 6x45 and the 7.62x39 without one trip to a gunsmith, for me this is big fun.
I have a 25x45 barrel on the way and I'll have it up and running in minutes of it being at my door.
For you all that think it would be harmless to ban or just not support these firearms you are making a huge mistake and are undermining your very Constitutional rights ! Wake up we will lose our gun rights one little bit at a time, just a bit so it is relatively painless, you'll hardly notice your freedoms slipping away.

The NRA has it right -- no more restrictions on gun ownership. Relax some if possible.

Why? Look at parts of Europe where baseball bats are prohibited. The governments are very afraid of their people -- for good reason.

Gun rights and ownership in America has kept the government more respectful of individual liberties and rights than would otherwise have been the case.

I will concede, however, that we must find ways to better educate the majority of inner city folks in the relationship between gun ownership and their rights.

I gotta make a correction here...

Thomas Jefferson was US Ambassador to France from 1784 to 1789. Unless he was working off e-mail...he wasn't at the Constitutional Convention. He DID in fact write the Declaration of Independence and certainy he influenced the ideas present in the Constitution. But he wasn't even in the country when it was written...

James Madison wrote the first draft of the Constitution called the Virginia Plan in 1787. The final draft of the Constitution was written by the members of the Constitutional Convention in 1788.

What do I think?
Not no but hell no!

Address the problem, not some feel good law that have negligible if any impact on killing.

Truthfully, what does class 3 do?

The biggest issue is that it’s a 9+ month waiting period.

Yes, you have to get photo and finger printed.

It’s de facto registration.

But the actual background check is no more stringent than the NICS check, and it just gives a convenient list of things for a state so inclined to ban or restrict.

It adds that those particular weapons are not covered by the 2nd amendment under court precedents.

So the extra $200 isn’t the big problem, but rather the baggage of so doing is prohibitive. If not for the court and banning baggage, it wouldn’t be prohibitive but all in all it’s a nonstarter.

It has bugger all to do with the type of gun and everything to do with the person who possesses and uses the gun.

In the U.K. we have strict gun laws that focus on the individual and whether he /she has a) good reson and b) good charachter to hold a gun. Very very few shootings involve legally held firearms and those that do are mostly suicides of elderly hunters and farmers not wanting to get old frail and becoming a burden / suffer illness.

We have lost semi autos and hand guns. But this made no difference to criminal use of guns that have been illegally obtained.

From what I have seen of the US there is a real problem with out of control and disenfranchised young men committing mass shootings. There are two questions - 1) why are they disenfranchised and b) what is influencing them to behave the way the do. Can’t help feeling media / Hollywood / video games etc don’t help. Growing up on daily hours of “call of duty” etc is not going to help anybody who is going towards the edge.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Truthfully, what does class 3 do?

The biggest issue is that it’s a 9+ month waiting period.

Yes, you have to get photo and finger printed.

It’s de facto registration.

But the actual background check is no more stringent than the NICS check, and it just gives a convenient list of things for a state so inclined to ban or restrict.

It adds that those particular weapons are not covered by the 2nd amendment under court precedents.

So the extra $200 isn’t the big problem, but rather the baggage of so doing is prohibitive. If not for the court and banning baggage, it wouldn’t be prohibitive but all in all it’s a nonstarter.

$200 ?

Try $2,000 if I had to stamp all of mine.

What a nightmare it would be and a big money maker as the AR rifle is the #1 selling rifle by a long margin for the past 10 years

I still stand by that the money is the least of our concerns with this half baked idea.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I still stand by that the money is the least of our concerns with this half baked idea.

It might be from one perspective but Im not paying 2k to keep ten AR rifles legal

I’d be considerably north of that, but that isn’t the issue to me.

If they are made NFA items, I’d guess they would be illegal in most states within 5 years.