If you own and use Shaw barrels will you please share your performance results. Thanks roger

My AR15 has a Shaw stainless HBar barrel and shoots and will put mag after mag of my reloads into a 1 inch hole at 100 yards. These are loads made with pull down powder and bullets. I am sure I could work up a better load with new components.

My .257AI has a 26 inch chrome molly barrel from Shaw in varmint weight and will cut holes at 100 yards.

I had Shaw rebarrel a M700 a few years back, duplicate 700 varmint contour, 222 Rem. Very happy with the results.

I've owned a few.....they worked OK....nothing spectacular but good hunting rifles.

I'd likely try more except they seem to want six months for lead time and I can get Douglas and Shilen usually in a week!

Have had a Ruger MKII rebarrelled by Shaw...Nice job and sub 1" groups in 243. Did the blued, fluted, 22" med sporter weight barrel, had the action trued as well and wish I did the lite weight barrel cause the gun weighs 9lbs scoped. Took all of 26 weeks (just like they said it would).

I have built only hunting rifles on the Shaw's and A&B barrels, no match guns.

But they have all been sub-MOA to 1.5 MOA @100 with my handloads.

Mine was a 6.5-284, 24" very lightweight on a small ring Mauser action. The rifle shot very well, 5@ 120 gr. NBT handloads into 1.5" at 200 yds. consistanly.
I had no complaints.
Doug

Bought a Manchester Mark X action to use for a build. Happened to have a new E. R. Shaw .264 Win Mag bbl in it.

For the heck of it, I stuffed the thing in a cheap stock and bedded it ... SIGNIFICANT mistake!! Have never been able to take apart a rifle that shoots 3/4" or better.

Now I have to burn out the barrel before the action is available. Sometimes life is tough!

I re-barreled a Savage 12fv with a Shaw varmint weight 1in12 twist CM barrel in 220 Swift. I was not expecting benchrest type performance. With 60gr V-Max and a good dose of IMR4064 it shoots sub-moa at 100yds and minute of prairie dog out past 400yds on a quiet day.
The only complaint I have with Shaw is turn-around time.
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!!

I would pass. Of course my sample size is limited to just one, and that was more than enough.

There is an article in one of the Shooting Times magazines about a complete rifle that Shaw sells. It's on a modified Savage action (Shaw doesn't use the barrel nut system) with one of their premium twist fluted barrel in 6.5-284 caliber. Quite impressive groups!!!

Everyone has to start somewhere, but seems on Accurate their reputation is tainted forever. Too bad.

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
There is an article in one of the Shooting Times magazines about a complete rifle that Shaw sells. It's on a modified Savage action (Shaw doesn't use the barrel nut system) with one of their premium twist fluted barrel in 6.5-284 caliber. Quite impressive groups!!!

Everyone has to start somewhere, but seems on Accurate their reputation is tainted forever. Too bad.

The experience I had wasn't long ago so I have my doubts as to their current quality. Too many other barrels of "good" quality available for the same or similar pricing to be gambling on them.

I have used 3 Shaw barrels, all were excellent and shoot 1/2" groups with specific tailored loads.

I did the threading/chambering/crown on those barrels.

I have two more on order, this time threaded/chambered/crowned prefits.

If you have a problem all you have to do is send it back...EVERY barrel maker can have a bad on now and then and you don't know if it is good or bad unless you use it, I've had some nitik problem with EVERY brand of barrel I've ever used...some I sent back and some I lived with...and NO barrel or rifle will shot the best unless the load is tailored to the rifle....what the H*** is wrong with people??

I've NEVER had a manufactured product that didn't have some nitpik, doesn't matter if it's a rifle barrel, truck or hamburger. Very few people have the coin to pay for a "PERFECT" whatever, so get over it.

Idiots still badmouth A&B barrels and I've done a few of those and came away with a perfectly good hunting rifle shooting 1/2" groups with prepped, tailored ammo with less trouble than "high dollar benchrest" barrels of 50 odd years ago.

That's all right...Shaw has all the work he can handle and I don't put much stock in what people say on this or any other forum...

Quoting something some gunrag "paid informer" said about one rifle is total BS...If those same raggers hollered about every Remington, Winchester or Ruger they tested and just how miserably and garbagey they were, how long do you think they would keep there jobs.

The last 2 Remingtons I bought had to be sent back for a MAJOR problem, and my favorite gunstore sent back way more than one CZ, Remington and Ruger rifle because of problems.

I agree with you, SmokinJ...!!!!!

I don't like the wait either, but for a threaded/chambered barrel at half the price of the others, I will wait.

Luck

Mike,

Few years back I sent Shaw a Type 38 Arisaka action and had them barrel it to 260 Remington. They barreled, squared the receiver face, put a new swept down bolt on it which was polished in the while as was the bolt, bead blasted metal surfaces and then blued. My total coast for their work was far far far under what a premium barrel would cost. In fact after putting Boyd wood on it I believe my total cost was just over $300. The rifle shoots consistent 3/4 inch groups with Hornady 139 grains flat base bullets with the one and only load I've tried through it. Hell it was plenty good enough for deer hunting which I have taken deer with it.

A friend ordered one for a 220 swift he wanted me to barrel up for him. It was a bull barrel and he came back from his first trip to the range and had a target with a group just over 1/4" spread @ 100 yards. I was shocked, I figured he'd be hard pressed to even get .5 MOA even with good hand loads.

I've had Shaw do 2 for me. A Remington 700 in 35 Whelen, which is about as good as a rifle can get. It puts 3 shots in under .75" with either the 225 or 250 grain bullets. I am very satisfied with the whelen.

On the other hand, I had them barrel a Springfield in 6.5-06, and as good as the Whelen was, this one was exactly the opposite, I wound up having the barrel removed rechambered and set back. Still it is a 1" shooter, no better. I was going to send it back to Shaw, but after at lot of conversation with them, nice and respectful, I made the decision they couldn't correct my problem, as the barrel was made to their "specifications". The throat was cut so long, I couldn't touch the rifling with any of my handloads.

Bottom line, you get what you pay for. I now use Pac-Nor's.

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
I've had Shaw do 2 for me. A Remington 700 in 35 Whelen, which is about as good as a rifle can get. It puts 3 shots in under .75" with either the 225 or 250 grain bullets. I am very satisfied with the whelen.

On the other hand, I had them barrel a Springfield in 6.5-06, and as good as the Whelen was, this one was exactly the opposite, I wound up having the barrel removed rechambered and set back. Still it is a 1" shooter, no better. I was going to send it back to Shaw, but after at lot of conversation with them, nice and respectful, I made the decision they couldn't correct my problem, as the barrel was made to their "specifications". The throat was cut so long, I couldn't touch the rifling with any of my handloads.

Bottom line, you get what you pay for. I now use Pac-Nor's.

Jerry

Funny, you say you are very satisfied with the 35 Whelen, but on the other hand you say you get what you pay for. Confusing. The overly long throat in you 6.5-06 does sound like the culprit and when you had the barrel set back why didn't you tell the gunsmith to correct that long throat problem???

The 35 Whelen isn't a match competition round, so what would the Pac Nor barrel better then what the Shaw barrel already was....which you were very satisfied with?

Smokinj:

You assume a lot. Why would anyone have a barrel removed and rechambered, if they weren't going to correct the problem they felt they had?

I called Shaw and asked them if they could correct my problem. They were either unable or unwilling to do so. In fact their tech had enough gall to tell me they had set up the chamber to SAMMI Spec. Now at the time this was a wildcat, and no SAMMI Spec existed for chamber reamers in 6.5-06. Still, I felt they were nice about dealing with me. As to the 1" shooter, I attribute this to the barrel itself, and not the chamber etc.

My comment about you get what you pay for, is related to the fact that: sometimes economy versions of anything, run hot and cold, as is my experience with the 35 Whelen vs the 6.5-06.

Why did I switch to Pac-Nor, because I don't want to have to go thru all the hassel I had with the 6.5-06. Pac-Nor, or any other barrel maker fo that matter, who is semi custom, will chamber the way you want it. The last one I built was a 6mm-06 on a Remington 700
Action, I built a dummy round up, based on the magizine length and bullet I wanted to shoot. I sent that round along with the action up to Pac-Nor, and they chambered and headspaced the barrel according to my requirements. No questions asked!! Maybe I expect too much, but I am paying for the work!!

Jerry

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Originally posted by z1r:

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
There is an article in one of the Shooting Times magazines about a complete rifle that Shaw sells. It's on a modified Savage action (Shaw doesn't use the barrel nut system) with one of their premium twist fluted barrel in 6.5-284 caliber. Quite impressive groups!!!

Everyone has to start somewhere, but seems on Accurate their reputation is tainted forever. Too bad.

The experience I had wasn't long ago so I have my doubts as to their current quality. Too many other barrels of "good" quality available for the same or similar pricing to be gambling on them.

Gee, everybody else seemed to have excellent results except for you!

Jerry,

What year did you build that 6.5-06 because the 6.5-06 is SAAMI now.

2002, rechambered in 2003.

Jerry

I've only used one barrel from them but it is just fine, a 24" sporter weight pre chamberred/threaded Savage barrel in 6x47mm .378 head and I rechamberred it to 6mm-204 and it is one of my goto coyote calling rigs with 55gr NBT Lead Free's.

375Win

Mine was a 243 Win, they rebarreled, drilled and tapped and replaced the bolt handle on a 98 Mauser. It has good accuracy -1" with its best loads and has shot in to better accuracy than when new. This was done in 1979. I am sure practices have changed.

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
2002, rechambered in 2003.

Jerry

A-Square had it SAAMI before that so the guy at Shaw was more then likely correct about the chamber. A-Square also had a 6.5-08 but Remington had that SAAMI before A-Square did.

Posted 01 March 2011 18:55 Hide Post
I have 4 Shaw barrels on Mod.200 Stevens actions. A 22-250 is MOA, the 250-3000 is there most of the time as is the 6.5x55. The 22 PPC is .5moa most of the time.A new rifle with a Shaw barrel on a Mauser action is on the way. At it's first test firing I was told 5 shots could be covered with a quarter at 100 yds.
All these barrels gather a lot of grime and copper but for me they are fun. roger


Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Posted 01 March 2011 18:55 Hide Post
I have 4 Shaw barrels on Mod.200 Stevens actions. A 22-250 is MOA, the 250-3000 is there most of the time as is the 6.5x55. The 22 PPC is .5moa most of the time.A new rifle with a Shaw barrel on a Mauser action is on the way. At it's first test firing I was told 5 shots could be covered with a quarter at 100 yds.
All these barrels gather a lot of grime and copper but for me they are fun. roger


Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..

I'm sure at their price they probably don't lap them as well as the more expensive barrels. I've noticed that on my Shaw barrels also, but over time they smooth up a lot.

Now to be honest so it doesn't sound like I'm a big Shaw fan, the 260 barrel I free floated. It was a "walker" for sure big time. So I put a pressure bedding up near the fore tip and that did it. Became a good shooter. To me I believe the walking shows stress in the barrel. To give you an ideas first shot in the bulls eye, each shot there after as the barrel warmed up stayed on that horizontal plane and at the fifth shot ended up 3 inches to the right. Let the barrel cool and it repeated this consistently. Like mentioned bedding the fore tip cured it 100 percent.

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Now to be honest so it doesn't sound like I'm a big Shaw fan,

If not a fan, than a proponent, LOL!!

When Shaw did my 6.5-06, A Square was not in the picture, as I was building a 6.5-06 not A-Square. I had never even heard of A-Square at that time. Now A-Square may have hung there name upon this cartridge, but it never came up in any of our discussions. And the 6.5-06 was around a long time before A-Square. Kind of pisses me off, they were able to hang their name on it, as a matter of fact. Another good wildcat down the drain.

Bottom line to all this is: the 264 is a very accurate caliber, and the long bullets lead to easy stabilization with a faster twist, which in some schools leads to superior accuracy. I am not sure caliber makes much difference, but that is what's being said. This barrel is less accurate than I feel it should be, and as Roger says, hard to de-copper.

I'll stick with what I have learned thru experience, and go where I am more confident of the end results.

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:

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Now to be honest so it doesn't sound like I'm a big Shaw fan,

If not a fan, than a proponent, LOL!!

When Shaw did my 6.5-06, A Square was not in the picture, as I was building a 6.5-06 not A-Square. I had never even heard of A-Square at that time. Now A-Square may have hung there name upon this cartridge, but it never came up in any of our discussions. And the 6.5-06 was around a long time before A-Square. Kind of pisses me off, they were able to hang their name on it, as a matter of fact. Another good wildcat down the drain.

Bottom line to all this is: the 264 is a very accurate caliber, and the long bullets lead to easy stabilization with a faster twist, which in some schools leads to superior accuracy. I am not sure caliber makes much difference, but that is what's being said. This barrel is less accurate than I feel it should be, and as Roger says, hard to de-copper.

I'll stick with what I have learned thru experience, and go where I am more confident of the end results.

Jerry

The A-Square 6.5-06 is the wildcat 6.5-06, they just happen to belong to SAAMI and had it listed and specified.

I'm not a real believer in one caliber is more accurate then another. There are too many factors that come into play. That long long throat your 6.5 is one of them. The longer that throat the more time and chance the bullet has of not going into the bore straight. The throats are not always necessarily the diameter of the bullet. They are larger. I've seen this happen with lots of Weatherby magnums that didn't shoot all that great due to that long free bore, then there were exception. The twist rate is very critical on that 6.5 and any other long bullet.

I'm just saying that for the money, especially for folks that don't have lots of money to spare, the Shaw barrels aren't that bad. FOR THE MONEY!!

Just admit it Jerry, you don't like Shaw. Does make me wonder why you bought two. You sure as hell don't buy a Chevy Impala to race at the Indy 500. If you want supreme accuracy you have to pay for it.

Liking Shaw has nothing to do with it. The first rifle was more than I expected, and the second sucked! What the hell is hard to understand about that. If the first one had been the 6.5, I wouldn't have done the second. Also, if I had been able to correct the problem with the help of Shaw, I would have done it. And I built a 6.5-06, nothing else! When I asked Shaw about the caliber, we discussed it as a Wildcat. During those discussions, chamber specifications and lead were part of the subject. What else can be said, the last was worst, and that's the taste I am left with, plus another $150.00 to correct the problems. My cartridge by the way is designated 6.5-06FJC on the barrel.

Jerry

This is just one persons experience, but it is an interesting story.
I have a friend that has been building AR's for about 10 years. He has built at least 40-50 of them for himself and other people.
He had a guy come to him, a friend of a friend, and this guy wanted a super accurate AR built. The guy had already bought every high dollar piece he could, milled receiver, Kreiger Cryogentic treated match barrel, and on and on. The barrel alone cost $700 to have finished. The total for the parts alone was around $2500. My friend puts it together and they go out for a break in and test

After break in the rifle is shooting about 1" groups at 230 yards (the length of my friends home range) which is not bad.
With some load developement, that should shrink some. My friend pulls out one of his Model 1 Sales $700 "kit rifles" (cost with reciever and RRA trigger) that he bought right around the same time frame (ER Shaw 20" SS barrel). It is a 20" shorty, heavy barreled carbine with a $200 Nikon scope. He proceeds to shoot 1/2" groups at 230 yards. The guy is not happy. Here is a $900 "truck gun" that outshoots his $3000 (plus $1000 scope) high dollar rifle.

My friend has built 5 or 6 of these "kit rifles" for people and he said they all shoot well under an inch at 100.
When I asked him about cleaning, barrel life and the like, he said he had never gotten a bad one, at least so far.
Maybe he just got lucky?

This is what he bought:
Model 1 Sales

He did order it with a 2-stage RRA match trigger...

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
2002, rechambered in 2003.

Jerry

The 6.5-06 A Square was SAAMI Spec'd in 1997:

SAAMI SPEC DATES

An OAL of 3.240" to 3.440" is quite a spread.

You can't tell Jerry anything, he knows it all.

Here is the SAAMI cartridge and chamber drawings Jerry. .220 is quite a long freebore and you can see it for yourself on the drawing. The guy at Shaw told you correct but you are hard headed.

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Originally posted by Flippy:
This is just one persons experience, but it is an interesting story.
I have a friend that has been building AR's for about 10 years. He has built at least 40-50 of them for himself and other people.
He had a guy come to him, a friend of a friend, and this guy wanted a super accurate AR built. The guy had already bought every high dollar piece he could, milled receiver, Kreiger Cryogentic treated match barrel, and on and on. The barrel alone cost $700 to have finished. The total for the parts alone was around $2500. My friend puts it together and they go out for a break in and test

After break in the rifle is shooting about 1" groups at 230 yards (the length of my friends home range) which is not bad.
With some load developement, that should shrink some. My friend pulls out one of his Model 1 Sales $700 "kit rifles" (cost with reciever and RRA trigger) that he bought right around the same time frame (ER Shaw 20" SS barrel). It is a 20" shorty, heavy barreled carbine with a $200 Nikon scope. He proceeds to shoot 1/2" groups at 230 yards. The guy is not happy. Here is a $900 "truck gun" that outshoots his $3000 (plus $1000 scope) high dollar rifle.

My friend has built 5 or 6 of these "kit rifles" for people and he said they all shoot well under an inch at 100.
When I asked him about cleaning, barrel life and the like, he said he had never gotten a bad one, at least so far.
Maybe he just got lucky?

This is what he bought:
Model 1 Sales

He did order it with a 2-stage RRA match trigger...

Same rifle I built. I have never worked up a load with new components but with pull down bullets and powder I can shoot MOA no trouble.

Smokin, You are one smart som bitch. Oh, by the way, do you own or shoot a 6.5-06?

Jerry

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Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Smokin, You are one smart som bitch. Oh, by the way, do you own or shoot a 6.5-06?

Jerry

Jerry,

I got rid of mine years ago, had a 6.5-284, sold that too. Right now in 6.5 I have a 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur, 6.5 Japanese, 260 Rem, and a 6.5 Grendel on an AR 15.

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
Right now in 6.5 I have a 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur, 6.5 Japanese, 260 Rem, and a 6.5 Grendel on an AR 15.

And how many of those have Shaw barrels??? roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:
Right now in 6.5 I have a 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur, 6.5 Japanese, 260 Rem, and a 6.5 Grendel on an AR 15.

And how many of those have Shaw barrels??? roger

Well the Swede of course has the original military barrel, the 260 Rem is a Shaw barrel, and the rest are Lothar Walther barrels. Besides the LW barrels being very good barrels for the price there are personal reasons for buying them that I don't care to discuss here. I built that 260 Rem before I got onto the LW barrels.

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:

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Originally posted by bartsche:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SmokinJ:
Right now in 6.5 I have a 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur, 6.5 Japanese, 260 Rem, and a 6.5 Grendel on an AR 15.

And how many of those have Shaw barrels??? roger

Well the Swede of course has the original military barrel, the 260 Rem is a Shaw barrel, and the rest are Lothar Walther barrels. Besides the LW barrels being very good barrels for the price there are personal reasons for buying them that I don't care to discuss here. I built that 260 Rem before I got onto the LW barrels.[/QUOTE)

You have a 6.5 Jap chambered LW barrel?

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Originally posted by swheeler:

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Originally posted by SmokinJ:

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Originally posted by bartsche:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SmokinJ:
Right now in 6.5 I have a 6.5x55 Swede, 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur, 6.5 Japanese, 260 Rem, and a 6.5 Grendel on an AR 15.

And how many of those have Shaw barrels??? roger

Well the Swede of course has the original military barrel, the 260 Rem is a Shaw barrel, and the rest are Lothar Walther barrels. Besides the LW barrels being very good barrels for the price there are personal reasons for buying them that I don't care to discuss here. I built that 260 Rem before I got onto the LW barrels.[/QUOTE)

You have a 6.5 Jap chambered LW barrel?

Oops! Thanks Scot....not that's an original Jap military. Hey you know what thought, if I would have gotten the Jap before I barreled the Savage to 6.5MS I may have very well gotten it chambered to 6.5 Jap. Ah what the heck, they are both great rounds.

Thanks for catching that.

SmokinJ ,

Re-barrel that impostor and get the real deal


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