I saw a rifle that seemed like a heck of a buy today. It was custom mauser 98 in .243. It apears to be prety well done and heck if the barrel is shot out or somthing for 175.00 I can't be out to much, i could allways rebarrel. But frankly i have allways thought of the .243 as a bare minimum for deer hunting. Might be fun for plinking and coyotes and such, also good for teaching newbies, tell me how rong I am about the .243 on deer sized game ! ...tj3006

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I've heard lots of badmouthing the round, always by people who have never used it but heard about so and so...

Most shortcomings I believe can be attributed to poor shooting or going down the the local putz-mart and buying 70-80 grain varmint loads and using them on big game.

I've seen several pickup loads of deer killed with standard 100 and 105 gr bullets and have killed one deer with 100 gr Partitions(which are probably too tough for GA whitetails) I know one fellow who all 3 boys in his family began their elk hunting careers with Mod 70's in .243 and were never let down by it!!

It is a great round, just like everything else use the proper bullet and put it in the vitals..Then comes the grunt work

Mike

Sierra 85gr HPBT kills way better than it should.... when you slip it thru the ribs it looks like strawberry jello inside.

Excellent for long range varmint shooting, will work good on up to deer sized game as long as you use heavier bullets and have the proper bullet placement.

I never understood why people say this about the 243. For game up to 150lb weight, you put the cross hairs on the chest, pull the trigger and get the car.

I have shot a number of fallow with 85/87 and 90gr bullets. None required a second shot.

Gidday Guys,

Back in the days of mini skirts and dinosaurs (thats the mid to late 70s) I was a part time meat hunter and used mainly 243s. A Savage 99F and a Sako Forester. I can't find the records but would estimate 5 -600 deer were taken with this calibre by me (red and sika).

I moved to the 243 after using a 308 for a couple of years because I wanted to reduce the amount of bloodshot meat. That was a flawed theory as that situation got worse. More not less bruising. I carried on with the 243 because if its pleasant manners in the recoil department and its effectiveness on even the largest deer.

This great performance was dependant on proper bullet placement, something that is crucial no matter what the calibre. (A friend needed 4 shots from a 30-06 to drop a diminutive fallow last week because he did not place his shots in a vital area. He is now known as Glen the gutshooter).

To start with I was using CAC 100gr factory ammo which was very accurate and performed well. When I started reloading I started with 90gr speer hotcors. These were so effective I have not used anything else for deer in the 243. They are stiff enough to provide the penetration required from any angle save the good old Texas heart shot and flat shooting and accurate enough for shots out to 300 metres.

One of the features of this calibre that I found intriguing was invariably animals hit in the boiler room at ranges undr 90 - 100 metres invariably ran off for 20 - 50 metres before folding up. At longer ranges they more often just flopped down and didn't get up again. Have never figured that one out.

I have moved to a 260 rem now and found th answer to the bloodshot meat problem with it. This has to be the best on deer calibre I have used. I can now take those texas heart shots and be confident of reaching the old pump and bellows. Just need to get the model 7 to be as accurate as the Sako.

A number of my mates use 243s still and they are having great success with the 85gr seirra hps and 95gr nosler bts. Have convinced one of them to try the hotcors and he is now a convert to them in his zavasta having taken a couple of Stewrt Island whitetails, 4 fallow, 1 red 1 pig and a swag of goats. Not bad for a young hunter on his first year hunting.

My suggestion would be to go for broke with this rifle and if the barrel is buggered then screw on 260 barrel and end up with the ultimate deer calibre for a song. Those 120gr corelocts/hotcores or 129gr hornandy interlocts are just the ducks nuts for penetration and being able to eat right up to the hole.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Hamish,

I'm with ya all the way big fella, but ya gotta tell me what's "a swag of goats"??? I'm hoping that's something your mother would be proud of ....right!!??

I used to hang around with a Navy Commander from NZ and when he drank a few beers, he used to talk a lot about sheep....I'm hoping that is NOT what you are talking about....right??!!

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Originally posted by Hamish:
They are stiff enough to provide the penetration required from any angle save the good old Texas heart shot

Whoa, there, Hamish. I assume what you're talking about is what Texans refer to as the "Kiwi Brain Shot"!

"a swag of goats" is the same as "a shit load of goats" a heap of goats,alot of goats 243 works real well on fallow i did use 100gr winchester power points before i started reloading,but now load 100gr Hornady interlocks

It's really all been said. With heavier bullets placed well.243 is adequate at reasonable ranges for whitetail, and it's low recoil makes it very attractive for beginners. It's what I bought for my 11 yr. old son and he still shoots it 12 yr.s later.

You're not wrong - the 243Win. is, IMO, a bare minimum for deer size game. It is however, a great varmint cartridge. And, yes, I have had
experience using the 243 on antelope & mule deer for several years. Performance was not too great. With some of the newer loadings available today using Nosler Part. & Trophy Bonded bullets, I'm sure the performance has improved, but I encountered too many instances of core-jacket seperations, and poor penetration. I don't trust the 243Win. for deer size game.
Better to move up to 25cal., or 6.5 such as the
260Rem. or the 6.5x55. Both of these are also very pleasant to shoot.

My cousin shot the biggest whitetail I've ever seen at 285 yards with a .243. This deer was huge, and I'm from Kansas where according to the outfitters advertisements, there are huge deer behind every hedge row. One shot, and a short run was all it took. Every one harrased him into getting a "mans gun", so he bought a .270. He never has shot the 270 as well as the old 243, and the deer didn't die any quicker. Probably would of been better off leaving well enough alone. Now if I can just talk him out of that defective tang safety long action Ruger!

Well verginia 7 I alredy have a couple 25s a sweet little roberts and a 25,06 that is being built for me on a interarms MK 10 action with a 26 inch douglas barrel. As i read your post you talked of jacket and core seperation, Sounds like poor bullet preformance not necisarily a poor cartridge. I would hand load and if going after mule deer it would get good
Bullet either an acubond partition or a barnes tripple shock. But I am going to go to a gunshow this saterday and see if I find somthing i like better. There was somthing about that custom mauser I just knd of liked, somthing beside the 175.00 price tag. But to be sure I might find somthing I like better, in a mauser I would prefer the 6mm Rem just beacuse i Like a mauser based cartridge in a mauser rifle ...tj3006

I was on a family lease in Mason county with 5 other members years ago ...70's. Besides myself and my wife's uncle everyone shot .243 with my father in law shooting a 6mm. There is no telling how many whitetail deer my late father in law shot with his .243..6mm.. at least a couple hundred. Every now and then one would run a bit but not very far. We used the old Fed. bullets, Rem. corelokts and finally some hot loaded Horn. All in 100gr bullets.
He had a cool looking rifle. Santa barbara mauser action in 6mm. He finally sold it for a 7mm but traded back for a Rem. .243.
One of the things about that caliber I like (and of course he apparantly liked) is that it's easy to shoot. I never have had anything bad to say about it. It's a nice all purpose deer, varmint, turkey rifle.

Gidday Guys,

LowRider, as Top Predator says a swag of goats is a heap, shit load or many goats. I suppose mum might be proud of it but it is so common here to do it that she probably doesn't give a great rats arse about goats. Puting a shit load of venison in the freezer now that makes her happy. Thank God above we don't have hunting seasons here and can put venison on the table any time of the year. No we don't shoot too may sheep here but I hear it is a big thing in the Rockies in the good old USA. They are too darn valuable to do that to. The Aussies think they are too pretty to shoot so keep coming here for romantic liasons with them.

Stonecreek, thanks for the compliment. If our brains are as big as a Texans heart that has to be a good thing as all the Texans I have met have struck me as having particularlly big hearts. Well all the woman ones I have met that is. Just as long as they don't sit on them.

Hamish,

Got it now....a swag...unit of measurement bigger than a bunch or maybe even a gaggle and does NOT apply to anything the Aussies might consider sexual gratification.

Guess we got used to seasons as the only way to keep from killing off all the deer. Now we're reaching near overpopulation in many areas. I can see 7 or 8 does ready to drop fawns under my bow stand right now. They are in the clover next to the tree line and they will be back when the season opens too. Just wish they'd open a season on liberals!!

Horrors! Are Maryland deer liberal too?

I've killed many big Minnesota deer with the 243 at ranges from 10 feet to 300 yards. Mostly one shot kills, none of them went more than 100 yards after being hit. My old standby was the 100 gr partition over H4831, but I've found that the 85 Barnes TSX is even better.

Pete

Hey Lowrider,

this season thing would be too much here because we have no season and the buggers are still getting close to over running us. They keep making more of them and poor old me has to spend every weekend going out and shooting them.

Tis a bugger but my duty and loyalty to my country mean that I must forego the urban pleasures at the weekend to protect the poofta faggot townies from being over run.

Its a bitch of a job but someone has to do it.

If you were going to cross the Atlantic would you choose a 30' boat or a 40' boat? As you know the Atlantic has been crossed numerous times in 9' boats.

I see that analogy as explaining why some choose to hunt big game with small guns.

I have used the 243 to hunt varmints since 1957 and I still do. I have shot and seen shot large animals with the 243 and I use larger guns after those observations. Why not?

On varmints the .22 LR will work on easy shots up close most of the time and the 243 will work on just about any shot on a varmint almost all of the time. There is a relativity to the size of the task and the size of the tool you see.

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Originally posted by Savage99:
I have shot and seen shot large animals with the 243 and I use larger guns after those observations. Why not?

Recoil, muzzle blast, muzzle flip, sight picture, increased backstop requirement, availability of dog to track dead game, skill, hunting 'ethic' of stationary broadside shots, ammunition availability to name a few.

Hamish,

I'm just damn proud of ya for taking on the nasty job of protecting the faggot town dwellers from the onslaught of the herds. I'm sure your mates will appropriately reward a job well done and you'll get the recognition you so richly deserve!!!

I'm not real concerned with the folks in town, but it is occasionally necessary to defend the spread from marauding deer especially when they get into my garden and start hitting on my apple trees. I plant food plots for them and as long as they stay in THEIR field things are fine. When they start eating my chow, it's time to intervien. Usually, I'm successful using low order explosives set on trip wires. But occasionally, it is necessary to resort to more permanent solutions. As you said, someone has to do it!!!

Holzauge,....especially the ones on the LEFT side of the Chesapeake!!

I like my .243Win. for deer. For some reason most 100gr. bullets aren't very accurate in its 1 in 10" barrel twist. However, you put an 85gr. Sierra HPBT, a Nosler 90gr. Bal. Tip or Hornady 95gr. SST in the chamber, and it's a different story. All three are very accurate in my Savage 110 and good killers. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

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Originally posted by Savage99:
I have shot and seen shot large animals with the 243 and I use larger guns after those observations. Why not?

Recoil, muzzle blast, muzzle flip, sight picture, increased backstop requirement, availability of dog to track dead game, skill, hunting 'ethic' of stationary broadside shots, ammunition availability to name a few.

To discuss your reasons for choosing a 243 over the normal range of cartridges for deer sized game.

Recoil: While the 243 has less recoil than larger cartridges I find that this applies only to very sensitive people. For instance the recoil of a 7mm/08 is nominal to me.

Muzzle blast: I find that the muzzle blast of the 243 to be the most severe of similar cartridges like the 260, 7mm-08, 308 and 358. I own and shoot all of these calibers by the way with 22" barrels.

Muzzle flip: It would be less with the smaller round of course but I can shoot my 358 very fast. Again the 243 is for people who are limited. Otherwise you just limit yourself.

Sight picture: ?

Increased backstop requirement: Nominal. For varmint loads this is a valid point and the 243 is an outstanding varmint cartridge. Once the bullets get strong or heavy enough for game the point is moot.

Availability of dog to track game: OK if you have a dog to track game then use a 243!

Skill: Explain. Does it take more or less skill to take deer with a 243. I say more.

Hunting ethic of stationary broadside shots: Go ahead and argue the ethics of shooting tame animals vrs wary ones. Not many broadside shots when the game is wary.

Ammunition avaliability: The 243 is available. Here the 30-06 is even more available. Know why? That's because its what most hunters use.

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Originally posted by Savage99:

To discuss your reasons for choosing a 243 over the normal range of cartridges for deer sized game.

Recoil: While the 243 has less recoil than larger cartridges I find that this applies only to very sensitive people. For instance the recoil of a 7mm/08 is nominal to me.

Recoil is more than hurting or flinching it's what stops you seeing the animal react to the bullet strike it (or not) A 243 I can see it everytime, a 7x57 less so. What does this mean? It means that I am less sure of where it hit it because I am less likely to see what it does because the rifle takes longer to come down from recoil


Muzzle blast: I find that the muzzle blast of the 243 to be the most severe of similar cartridges like the 260, 7mm-08, 308 and 358. I own and shoot all of these calibers by the way with 22" barrels.

Maybe not so much difference with those rounds but compared to a 270 or 30-06 there is a big difference

Muzzle flip: It would be less with the smaller round of course but I can shoot my 358 very fast. Again the 243 is for people who are limited. Otherwise you just limit yourself.

Sorry - I just completely disagree - just how does it limit me on deer?

Sight picture: ? See comments on muzzle flip

Increased backstop requirement: Nominal. For varmint loads this is a valid point and the 243 is an outstanding varmint cartridge. Once the bullets get strong or heavy enough for game the point is moot.

It's not wise to rely too much on this but as a trained live firing conducting officer I can tell you that the range danger area for FMJ 223 vs 308 is considerably reduced.

Availability of dog to track game: OK if you have a dog to track game then use a 243!

But I haven't noticed any differance in the distance game travels when shot with a 243 compared to a 7x57

Skill: Explain. Does it take more or less skill to take deer with a 243. I say more.

It requires greater care which is why it is so well suited to the UK hunting 'ethic'

Hunting ethic of stationary broadside shots: Go ahead and argue the ethics of shooting tame animals vrs wary ones. Not many broadside shots when the game is wary.

Not so - there are true wilderness areas with deer completely unused to people in the UK and I notice little difference in their wariness. I manage around 160 conventional stationary shots a year which results in just over 150 dead deer - I miss 1 shot in 20 on average.

Ammunition avaliability: The 243 is available. Here the 30-06 is even more available. Know why? That's because its what most hunters use.

Probably the converse here

Thought I'd get a response

I have no beef against larger calibres and do love to shoot my 7x57 BUT I do know that it makes not in any way at all improve my success. If you can't shoot an average deer (I exclude Reds which would equate to large Mule deer) with a 243 then it's not really the calibres fault.

I frequently hear things like if you use a premium bullet,the .243 is marginal. I use Winchester bulk packed 100 grain(read cheaper bullet)and they do fine. A good shot is required. Unlike the guy at the gun counter might have said,the same is true of a .300 mag. A bad shot is a bad shot and just because it had magnum tacked onto it's name doesn't make them drop. For my type varmint hunting,the .243 is too much. Too much blast and recoil. This would be shooting possibly 100 jackrabbits in a night. Exception would be using cast bullets in it. You can reduce the blast and recoil down to a comfortable level. Very good accuracy with cast bullets too. In my very limited experience with deer and cast bullet---the .243 is a complete failure. Tried it once and never again. I moved my grandson up from .22 centerfires to the .243 when he was 11. He is almost 16 now and is still using the .243 and has done very well. 4 shots--4 deer last year---all with the reload I mentioned.

I'm not the expert here, a professional hunter or even a guide, but I think I have seen more deer shot poorly with a .30-06, 300 Mag or similar gun than I ever have with .243. Maybe it's just a matter of statistics (more people use big guns than 243s), but I can't remember (in my limited experience of 45 years or so) anyone loosing a deer shot with a .243, but I have helped out tracking a lot of deer that were poorly shot with big boomers. I think it is the lack of recoil that allows folks to shoot better with a smaller gun. Isn't that the reason they started using the .224/6mm Texas Whitetail Trophy round? I think muzzle blast in an efficient cartridge, not an overbored round, is a function of barrel length not caliber. On the other hand, a 26" barreled 300 mag will pin your ears back and hurt you at the same time. Macho aside, they hurt you when you squeeze the trigger.

Clearly, shot placement is key regardless of the tool used to deliver the bullet. The .243 is fully capable of making good kills on ANY deer with the right bullet and placement and there are a lot of other moderate rounds that will too.

IMHO, the .243 is and will continue to be a wonderful round and a VERY efficient killer of deer.

I see no common sense in using the minimum tool for any job. It seems that 1894 does.

Just imagine firing a shot at any animal and having it get up and run. Now you have a choice of what gun you want to use for the moving game. The choice for me is any gun that I wish to carry. I choose the 358.

For easy shots I could use less.

This is why my 260 is on the block. I see no advantage to it over larger bores for big game hunting.

In Great Britain there may be 150 hunters operating year round on estates using dogs to find the game that runs. Here in one state alone there are over a half million hunters and the most popular cartridge is the 30-06 Springfield.

There is an entirely different circumstance and it seems attitude here in big game hunting. The numbers tell the story and the majority chooses the big hammer.

Savage99--I don't consider the .243 a minimum tool on deer. Poachers kill bunches of them with .22 rimfire. But let's say it is minimum. If it does the job,it does the job. Dead is dead. I don't drive an 18 wheeler to the store to get a quart of milk.

Lowrider 49--Are you telling me that unlike the guy at the counter said,that big boomer not only kills them but quarters them out for you? With a .243 you have to do those things.

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Originally posted by Savage99:
I see no common sense in using the minimum tool for any job. It seems that 1894 does.

Just imagine firing a shot at any animal and having it get up and run. Now you have a choice of what gun you want to use for the moving game. The choice for me is any gun that I wish to carry. I choose the 358.

For easy shots I could use less.

This is why my 260 is on the block. I see no advantage to it over larger bores for big game hunting.

In Great Britain there may be 150 hunters operating year round on estates using dogs to find the game that runs. Here in one state alone there are over a half million hunters and the most popular cartridge is the 30-06 Springfield.

There is an entirely different circumstance and it seems attitude here in big game hunting. The numbers tell the story and the majority chooses the big hammer.

Okey dokey - to address (good naturedly) the points

It may be a minimum but it is enough. I repeat I can tell no difference between my 243 and 7x57 in lethality or distance run from point of strike to point of death.

The mobile non lethaly wounded deer requiring a follow up shot is for me 0.22% over the past 2 years (1 out of 450). That tiny incidence was handled by (coincidentaly) my 243 and the wound (high front leg) would not have been 'improved' by a 416rigby.

I agree that shorter seasons and added hunter pressure will tempt people into more extreme shot angles. I along with many others in the UK are lucky enough not to contend with that. I sell my venison and will not put a bullet through a ham, spine or guts to reach vitals.

The 243Win works great here in Texas!


This one ran about 40 yds, last year's droped in his tracks!!

reloaderman---San angelo here--what town are you in? I hunt in Silver Texas which is about 50 miles from here--just out of Robert Lee.

well guys its a moot point now !
I bought a sweet Remington 03A3 sporter, instead. I plan to turn it into a 257 Roberts Ackley imp. You got me interested in the 6mms though and it would be no shock to me if a .243 or a 6mm Rem AI were to make there way into my safe one day thans for the input...tj3006

Hamish:

Welcome to the forum as a new member.....

We just need to have a lot more of you guys from NZ on here, if you are an example of them....

Practical and no nonsense....

I love a 243 but use a 260 for about everything having to do with big game....

If you like a fast, flat shooting deer load... try a 100 grain bullet with 43.5 grains of IMR 4064....That gives me an MV of 3350fps out of a 22 inch barrel... zeroed 3 inches high at 100 yds, it is a laser beam out to 300 yds easily...

With a 4 power scope, I have dropped several deer at 300 yds instantly yet the recoil was so light at that distance that EACH time I watched the deer drop straight down dead in the Scope! I never loss sight picture... Did the same thing with a 6.5 x 55 and a 100 grain bullet this past season at 100 yds. ... Deer running thru the brush and all that was above the brush was his head and neck, so I aimed below the jaw and fired... watched him drop on the spot....thru the scope set on 4 x....

I have got to get down to NZ before I get too dam old to hunt down there once!

cheers
seafire

Gidday Seafire,

I have read your various posts on this site and have seen that you are a 6.5 fan and have liked the good sense you have been talking.

I hadn't tried a 100 gr load and frankly hadn't even considered it as suitable for deer. I even had doubts about the 120s when I first started using them. Have since found that they are great.

You have now got me wondering though. I am a one load per rifle man and have just started Varminting. Man is this great fun.

I have started with a heavy barreled BSA CF2 in 243 which just loves the 95gr bt noslers. What a feeling head shooting rabbits and wallabies at 300- 350 metres (measured with a leica 900rf range finder).

Being a 6.5 man I now want to try the 260 and your 100 gr load sounds like it could be the trick especially with Ballistic tips. Just don't know whether the model 7 is up to being a varmint rifle.

Bugger will have to go back to my favorite Sako Forrester and get it rebarrelled in 260 with a Sako sporter or finlight barrel. Then it would be the ducks nuts for varminting or an alpine rifle for chamois or deer. Just need to get the money together for this.

Mate if you want to come down here for a bit of a hunt just let me know what you want and we can jack it up. It seems we old fellas have to look after each other to ensure we can get as much hunting as we can before we have to shuffle of this mortal coil. (I have already decided how I am going to do this too. Gonna be shot at the age of 93 by the jealous husband of a 23 year old).

Honestly let me know what you would like.

By the by you handle is a bit intriguing. Why a Brit Naval fighter crossed with a Yank bomber??

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Hamish;

Would love to come down and hunt with you.... NZ and Oz have been on my short list of places I would love to go before I kick the bucket! I support your final wishes.... shot at 93 by a jealous 23 yr old husband!

The handle was one that was in transition...

It started out as Seafire, ( since Spitfire always seemed to be taken early, but not everyone knows what a Seafire is)..... then I was going to change it to one of my favorite old A/C, the B 17 and used that as a transitional name so people would know it was still me..... well the full transition to B17G never made it as everyone knew me on the forum as Seafire after I gained a little notariety ( both positive and negative, with all of the work I did with the Blue Dot down loads)..... MY love for British fighters etc also happened when I lived in England from 1963 to 1966, when my dad was stationed there in the USAF..

I bet hunting here in the USA is nowhere near as exciting as it is down in NZ, but if you ever get the hankering to visit this part of the old planet... the door is always open for a fellow AR member....Even if you can't get the rifle into the country, I have more than enough for you to take your pick in borrowing, I am sure I have several that would fit your fancy!

Lookn forward to some more of your practical wisdom from Down Under ( NZ style that is!)

Cheers and good shooting
seafire
john christenson
grants pass oregon usa

Seafire,if you are in N.Z let me know i'm in the north island i have some good duck shooting.Hamish PM sent

Hamish;

Howdy back! I think you will enjoy finding the 260 Rem is also a pretty decent varmint cartridge... I don't know what is considered varmints in NZ, but the choices of a 100 grain ballistic tip, or the Speer 90 grain TNT or the 85 grain and 100 grain HPs from Sierra will do a good job.... I have not been able to get the 95 grain V Max to shoot worth a darn in any of my 6.5 bores....

The 100 grain Hornady SP, the 100 grain B/T and Partition are excellent deer cartridges... I have taken deer in the 100 to 125lb range with them...
I have also taken several with the 100 grain Sierra HP, but not sure if that is considered a 'deer cartridge' by the manufacturer... but both times in resulted in a One Shot kill with the animal either going down or stumbling a few yards is all....But since the ballistic Tips just took the guess work out of it, I use them or the Partitions.... However I have also used a batch of Hornady 100 grain SPs and for both accuracy and terminal performance, I was very impressed....Great for those times you may be feeling a little cheaper than other days.... It works and that is the bottom line...

Recoil will be light enough, that at least in my rifles, on 4 power I have been able to watch the deer drop dead in the scope....All kills have been pretty much "bang.. Flops" running or not.

Yeah we old boys have to stick together, especially those that shoot and hunt... to many darn "liberal" tree huggers out there...Since the Hippies were my generation ( I never was one!) I compliment your earth exit strategy! Not a bad way out...Mine is too graphic to publish on forum, LOL. But it does involve the mouth of a Suzanne Somers or Rachael Hunter clone....

I would love to take you up on your offer to come down and hunt.... I extend the same for this direction.... Since I doubt tho, that you could bring any of your rifles with all of this homeland security stuff now.... I have a good collection I am sure you would find several you'd just love to borrow on your visit!

As far as the handle... I was originally Seafire, since Spitfire is always taken it seems... I lived in Britain between 1963 and 1966 when I was 11 to 14 yrs old....Got heavily into aircraft especially the WW 2 stuff and the Battle of Britain stuff....

Was going to migrate my handle to something American tho.... so I chose a hybrid so people would know it was me as I switched...

Well I got some notariety ( both positive and negative) for all my work with blue dot powder for reduced loads.... So I haven't gotten around to changing it....Stalled " work in progress"
Need to go to a Procrastinator's Anonymous Meeting but I keep getting side tracked

Cheers and have a Gidday down your way!
seafire

A friend tired of his 300 W'by and started using the 243 I made him on deer and elk. He has over 100 one shot kills on deer and about 30 on elk. Another friend and his friend also use the 243 on elk and haven't lost one yet.

I use my 300 and 338-378 on elk, but have killed maybe 10 Mule deer with a 6mm or 240 Cobra or 243 Rockchukar or 6MM Mashburn. The deer die just as quick. The 100-105 grain bullets are just fine. Anyone who doesn't think so is poorly informed. Lots of folks shoot much more accurately with the small caliber.