Some people wildcat for the sake of something different, but many do so because they think they have a better idea. Many of the fatory cartridges should have been something else! Don't you have cartridges that you think should have been, but the factory cartridge was something else? Mine:

7mm Mashburn Mag instead of the 7mm Rem. Mag.
.25 WSM instead of the .25 WSSM
6.5x284 instead of the .284 win.

Can't agree with you on the 284. (I shoot the 6/284, 260, 7/08, 280 and 284 therefore feel quailfied to campare). The 284 was way ahead of it's time: a rimless "short magnum" that failed only becasue it was intorduced in auto and lever gun platforms where it's potential could not be realized and at a time when more gunners were interested in the bolt action.
And while I agree that a 6.5/284 has merit it would have bombed like all 6.5's have in this metric-fobic country.e.g 264 Win mag, 260 Remington and even the Swede.

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Originally posted by Beartrack:

.25 WSM instead of the .25 WSSM
6.5x284 instead of the .284 win.

i did the 257WSM, and it's a rocket...
35x284 should have been factory.

I agree about the .25 WSM. I'd buy that tomorrow.

240 PAGE instead of the 243 Winchester.

30 Degree shoulder and longer neck.

Ray

How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

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Originally posted by Cheechako:
240 PAGE instead of the 243 Winchester.

30 Degree shoulder and longer neck.Ray

Mine, and I've drawn it up a dozen times, is a .260 with the shoulder pushed back to yield a .343" long neck, a 26.5degree shoulder and .445" diamter at the shoulder body junction.

Light rifle ,20" barrel fireing a 140gr. bullet with low recoil and enough energy to take down mule deer at 250 yds.

Would it have ever sold?? Nah; just my little pipe dream. Just too senseable I think. not sure what this banana is suppose to represent.roger

The 275 H&H Mag should've been instead of the 7mm Mashburn or Remington Mag.

500 Linebaugh instead of the 500 S&W, or at least the 500 Linebaugh Maximum.

17 machIV

or 350wsm instead of 325wsm

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Originally posted by MT Gianni:
How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

That's a crummy one, what purpose since there is a 7x57 and 8x57?

Hey, you'd love living next to me, even though you bashed me on another forum.

Max

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Originally posted by MT Gianni:
How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

Fits the definition of the thread nicely roger

I'll add another, the 25 WSM instead of the WSSM.

257 WSM is the obvious, popular choice. 275 H&H would require a longer action and is not viable IMHO.....2MG

5mm Rem Mag vs 17 HMR
6.5 JDJ vs 7-30 Waters
7x64 vs 280 Rem
30/338 or 308 Norma vs 300 Win Mag
458 Lott vs 458 Win Mag

8mm in stead of .30.........!

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8mm in stead of .30.........!

9.3mm instead of .375?

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How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

Or 300 Savage instead of 7.62x51mm NATO?

savage 250-2650 vs 250-3000

then maybe 22-2650 varminter

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Originally posted by 2muchgun:
257 WSM is the obvious, popular choice. 275 H&H would require a longer action and is not viable IMHO.....2MG

The 275 H&H is exactly the same case length as the Remington Magnum.

.308x60s
+ anythin from.308-.375x68s.

My 2 cents worth...
.256 Newton vs any 6.5
.270 Newton vs any .270
.280 Newton vs any 7mm
7x61 S&H vs 7mmRemMag
.30 Newton vs any .300 Magnum
.35 Newton vs .358 Norma Magnum (near identical)
.416 Newton vs .416 Taylor or .416 Rigby
Did I mention I favor Newton cartidges? They are not extreme, but efficient & surpass most...
Best Regards,
Tom

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Originally posted by nordrseta:

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How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

Or 300 Savage instead of 7.62x51mm NATO?

The 300 Savage was the very first case used by Frankford Arsenal when they first started exploring a new "light rifle" cartridge in 1945. They used commercial brass loaded with GI bullets to test different powders for velocity and pressures. The case eventually evolved into the 7.62 x 51, and 308 Winchester.



Ray

22 DASHER?

.25 SAUM...
Great case to bore ratio. Fit any short action magazine better than the WSM versions with longer bullets loaded.

IMO, If Remington would chamber for it, it would be a runaway winner over night.

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35x284 should have been factory.

Likewise a .338/284 instead of the .338 Federal.......

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Originally posted by Cheechako:

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Originally posted by nordrseta:

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How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

Or 300 Savage instead of 7.62x51mm NATO?

The 300 Savage was the very first case used by Frankford Arsenal when they first started exploring a new "light rifle" cartridge in 1945. They used commercial brass loaded with GI bullets to test different powders for velocity and pressures. The case eventually evolved into the 7.62 x 51, and 308 Winchester.



Ray

I had heard the T-65 round was "based on the short .300 Savage", but did not know it WAS the .300 Savage! Thanks for the info!

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How about the 30x57 instead of the 308?

Or 300 Savage instead of 7.62x51mm NATO?

The 300 Savage was the very first case used by Frankford Arsenal when they first started exploring a new "light rifle" cartridge in 1945. They used commercial brass loaded with GI bullets to test different powders for velocity and pressures. The case eventually evolved into the 7.62 x 51

Precisely. Excellent photo. Thanks.

The world still needs a 25-08 donchathink?

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
The world still needs a 25-08 donchathink?

I like to think so!

Surprised nobody has specifically mentioned the 416Taylor ... its long overdue for being placed in a factory rifle with loaded ammunition available over the counter.
Been a few Taylor articles in magazines lately (Boddington and Harvey)... kind of makes me wonder if we're being buttered up on 416s again?
Cheers...
Con

The .338WSM rather than the .325WSM.
And for BS, the .395 Ruger vs .375 Ruger.

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
The world still needs a 25-08 donchathink?

No! not as long as there is a .257 Roberts. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
The world still needs a 25-08 donchathink?

No! not as long as there is a .257 Roberts

But that's like saying the 7x57 is as good as the 7mm08! That's like saying the 6.5x55 is as good as the 260! The 257 Roberts is a fine cartridge but this is the 21st century! The 25-08 would fit all short actions as well as the 250 Savage but run with or better the Bob. Loaded with the fancy factory-only high-energy propellants a 25-08 would give the 25'06 a run for the money. Of course, we could always push the shoulder back on a 25 WSSM and make 257 WSSSM...

[/QUOTE]But that's like saying the 7x57 is as good as the 7mm08! That's like saying the 6.5x55 is as good as the 260! The 257 Roberts is a fine cartridge but this is the 21st century! The 25-08 would fit all short actions as well as the 250 Savage but run with or better the Bob. Loaded with the fancy factory-only high-energy propellants a 25-08 would give the 25'06 a run for the money. Of course, we could always push the shoulder back on a 25 WSSM and make 257 WSSSM...[/QUOTE]

nord

It's my humble farm-boy opinion that the 7x57 is BETTER than the 7mm08, the 6.5x55 is BETTER than the 260, and the 257 Roberts is BETTER than any 25-08 will ever be. It's all in the handloading and those old timers can be handloaded with the same "high energy" propellants well beyond their 20th Century factory loadings. I'm not just guessing, it has already been done.

Ray

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Originally posted by Cheechako:
nord

It's my humble farm-boy opinion that the 7x57 is BETTER than the 7mm08, the 6.5x55 is BETTER than the 260, and the 257 Roberts is BETTER than any 25-08 will ever be. It's all in the handloading and those old timers can be handloaded with the same "high energy" propellants well beyond their 20th Century factory loadings. I'm not just guessing, it has already been done.Ray

I guess we'll just have to let him dream, Ray. & roger

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Originally posted by nordrseta:

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
The world still needs a 25-08 donchathink?

No! not as long as there is a .257 Roberts

But that's like saying the 7x57 is as good as the 7mm08! That's like saying the 6.5x55 is as good as the 260! The 257 Roberts is a fine cartridge but this is the 21st century! The 25-08 would fit all short actions as well as the 250 Savage but run with or better the Bob. Loaded with the fancy factory-only high-energy propellants a 25-08 would give the 25'06 a run for the money. Of course, we could always push the shoulder back on a 25 WSSM and make 257 WSSSM...

It seems to me that this debate is more about action size than anything. If you compare any of the '08 rounds with their larger brothers based on the x57 or even the x55 case, the 08's are at a disadvantage pressure for pressure. The real comparison though is between the 280 and the 7X57 or the 25/06 vs. the Bob. In this light, things change. Also, since no one makes a dedicated action in the x57 length anymore, I think that seals the deal. The '08 family never gave true long action performance, they just get very close but in a shorter lighter rifle with a shorter bolt throw.

The x57 rounds are still good cartridges, but the '06 rounds outrun them and the '08 cartridges come in more handy packages. It seems to me the x57 niche is gone.

As for cartridges I'd like to see: 416 WSM, .20 K hornet, 20 VarTarg.

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Originally posted by papaschmud:
The x57 rounds are still good cartridges, but '08 cartridges come in more handy packages.

I guess if enough people say that often enough some unknowledgeable ( ignorant ) folks will buy into that. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by papaschmud:
The x57 rounds are still good cartridges, but '08 cartridges come in more handy packages.

I guess if enough people say that often enough some unknowledgeable ( ignorant ) folks will buy into that. roger

bartsche: Man, how do you contain all that arrogance? You came off as both an ass and a blathering fool all in one sentence.

Do you have anything to add other than a empty putdown?