This has big game written all over a 147gr at 900fps. Call the Rogue this could be a game changer

Daystate technology(electronic regulator/trigger) in a large caliber. i will be amazed if Crossman can pull it off without some teething problems but good luck to them anyway. biggest downside if it works is less than 6 full power shots per fill. you better have an scba tank( preferably 2) and compressor handy cause you are going to need it!! big bore airguns are notorious air hogs and this will be no exception. a shoebox(mini high pressure compressor), 88cf scba tank(used), and fill hose set up will add at least $900 to the gun price( ask me how i know!!!).if you go with a large volume high pressure compressor, add over $3000 to the gun cost. strictly a hunting gun with very limited usage otherwise. the concept is valid( Daystate does quite well selling a similar electronic gun) but when you get into big bore products, the market shrinks quickly.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
This has big game written all over a 147gr at 900fps. ...

By Big Game, do you mean a P-Dog, G-Hog, or a Fox?

with those numbers, this gun will match the energy levels of a 9mm or 38 special pistol( about 245 ftlbs)- so head shots at ranges less than 50 yards on hogs, deer and certainly coyotes are realistic

I might now have a reason for keeping my suba tanks that have been sitting around for years.

I don't believe air rifles are legal for deer in Texas but I'm sure it would kill one if conditions were right. A no-brainer for calling coyotes or other game under 100 lbs. Would really be interesting suppressed.

Didn't Lewis and Clark have a "big bore" air rifle with them back in the early 1800's?!!!

yes. do a search here and i think you will find pictures- along with GREATLY over inflated claims of power and shots/charge counts by the historians!

One also played a significant part in a Sherlock Holmes story by Doyle at the turn of the century. I think they were not unheard of in Europe during the period.

$1500
http://www.crosman.com/blogs/c...and-multi-shot-clip/

no indication of shots per fill !

review said (in marketing double talk) 20 shots at full (but lowest) power

"ranging from 150-300 FPE" ..

the epcp controlls the airflow

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No other airgun provides as many as 20 shots per fill and shoots at a consistent rate of 150 fpe

so, 20 shots at lowest setting .. i would hazzard to guess 6-7 at highest setting

canned hunt - but it pretty cleanly takes a hog at ~40-45 yards (regardless of them thinking its farther)

http://www.crosman.com/blogs/c...right-tool-for-hogs/

"duh" jeffe -- its a 6 shot rifle... wanna bet its 6, but mebbe 7, on a charge?

would be a super neat combo with my nightscope, for pigs and vermin, though the fps is likely going to resulting in having a rainbow arc trajectory

4 full power shots per full charge .. kinda dumb?

1299 from cabellas advertisement

Rogue is the solution- but it is looking for a question!. unless you intend to hunt hogs at relatively close range, it has not other use and you will be constantly refilling it. total waste of money for the vast majority of airgunners.

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These rifles don't make a lot of sense to me.

For me, an air rifle is about a surgical type
shot at small game inside of 60 yards. They
are great for low down range impact. A 10 to 20
grain diabolo pellet is a pip squeak compared
to a 40 gr 22 rimfire when it comes to a couple
of hundred yards down range impact. I shoot bird pests and squirrels out of my back yard in a suburban setting. I couldn't think of doing
that with a 22 rimfire.

I guess it's all in what you like, but this
rifle weighs 10 pounds before you hang a scope
and rings on it. It throws heavy lead. Sorry, but I haven't seen the light on this type of air
rifle yet. I guess if you just HAVE to shoot
a hog or some other non-game animal with a
pneumatic gun, then this perhaps would make
some kind of sense.

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Originally posted by doctorxring:
...I guess if you just HAVE to shoot
a hog or some other non-game animal with a
pneumatic gun, then this perhaps would make
some kind of sense.

I can't see shooting "at" a Hog with a Pneumatic, Springer nor any type of Air Rifle makes any sense at all. Nor would I intentionally Hunt one with a 38Spl or 9mm.

I'd like to see one on a chronograph.

There's no way I'd be taking head shots at deer with that thing. I see broken jaws and animals suffering, unable to eat and a lingering death.

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reviews by owners on various airgun websites have been almost uniformly negative. VERY poor accuracy and very LOW SHOT COUNT USING THE FACTORY RECOMMENDED PELLETS- not to mention various electronic problems. a $1200-1300 white elephant!

Should have been .458 or .500 cal. Just not enough bullet weight as a .357. Price is to high, electronics a negative, and in my opinion, butt ugly. Airgunners have been dropping deer and hogs for years with big bore airguns, that it can be done is well documented. As powder burning shooter this may be news to you but big bore pneumatics have been around for a few hundred years.

Crosman took a look at the growing interest in big bores and saw an opportunity. They are to be commended, but along the way they lost sight of what worked, what everyone was using, what made the market. In trying to appeal to non airguners they went for looks, velocity, and technical wizardy. But non airgunners think of airguns as bb or walmart pellet rifles. Most are not aware of the high end airgun market that we are used to, and the prices that we long ago became indifferent to. Face it, I could buy a .458 Win mag for less then I paid for my .458 Quackenbush. But I own a Quackenbush .458 and not a Winchester .458 (not yet anyway) Years of airgunning and collecting airguns made me easy to influence. All it took was a couple of shots with a friends .50 cal. But I already had PCP airguns, and the support gear that goes with them. Air tanks and high presure pumps, and experience hunting with airguns. I want to hunt with airguns so I except the limitations that go with them. If your looking for bang for the hunting buck a .22 rimfire and an 30/30 will get it done for a lot less money,less work, and easier to get results. But what fun would that be.