Anybody used or have experience with IOSSO Borecleaner?

M98 from GS Custom is the BEST.

Have not tried it, but thought I had it down only to find Eliminator from Bore tech and am trying Wipe out now also.

Work well.Appears to shift stuff.I've used it a bit with cast bullets to push out lead fowling.I tend to use other products
rob

Never used the IOSSO. However,I now use KG-12 Big Bore Cleaner.I as a Sweets user for a lot of years and was happy with the results.There is a thread here on AR that shows the results of alot of copper cleaners.KG-12 is the hands down winner!

I did my own test.Cleaned the rifle with Sweets,then cleaned the same gun immediately afterwards with KG-12.The patches were so dirty you wouldn't believe the gun was just cleaned.

Check this out

All of this stuff is just basic chemisty.
There is nothing new in the periodic tables - on new marketing of the same old solvents with different aromas.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
All of this stuff is just basic chemisty.
There is nothing new in the periodic tables - on new marketing of the same old solvents with different aromas.

+1

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Originally posted by Rusty:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
All of this stuff is just basic chemisty.
There is nothing new in the periodic tables - on new marketing of the same old solvents with different aromas.

+1

With due respect to you both, I don't believe that you would say that if you tried KG12.

This stuff is mind-blowing! It cleans like nothing I have ever seen. (and it has very little scent)

Jason,
I have two bottles. Great stuff, but it's still just basic chemistry. Truth of the matter instead of working to clean I'm now using Wipe Out most of the time.
At the range I use KG12.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Jason,
I have two bottles. Great stuff, but it's still just basic chemistry. Truth of the matter instead of working to clean I'm now using Wipe Out most of the time.
At the range I use KG12.

Can you explain the chemistry? It seems that this stuff works far better than all of the older stuff on the market. KG12's website seems to claim that their bore cleaner uses a different process that what has traditionally been used.

About a year ago someone asked about the "mechanics" of KG12's copper removing power and no one was able to answer.

I'm using Bore Tech surfactants. I found my system and I am not going back.

I am really fond of bore tech eliminator. Best stuff I've ever used. Better yet, clean your bore scrub it with JB bore paste until all copper and other fouling is gone. Apply dyna tech bore coat as per the instructions and never have another fouling problem. Even when bore eventually needs cleaning, it will take far less effort and fewer patches. Amazing stuff.

JB,
I still don't have any explanation. Even KG's site doesn't offer any information other than the chart showing how much was removed from a bullet as compared with others.



It isn't one pass magic! As a matter of fact I've spent most of a morning trying to get a barrel "copper free" with KG-12. Finally just put some "Wipe Out" in the barrel and let it sit until the foam was gone.

I ran KG-12 patches thru the barrel after that and it did not indicate copper.

I'm just like most of the rest of the shooter here. I want it clean and I want it as quickly as possible. So far the best clean for me (and I don't shoot lead bullets)is Wipe Out. It isn't fast but it seems to do what it says it will do with less effort from me.

A few months ago I bought a bunch of different bore cleaners, KG-12, Boretech, and Hoppes.
I wasn't impressed. None of them did a better job than Sweets. I hate waiting for my bore cleaner to work, but Wipe Out seems to beat the others, it just takes longer. A whole lot fewer passes with my cleaning rod down the bore, that's for sure!

I do admit to keeping a Hoppes soaked patch nearby. The aroma brings to mind such great memories!

Enough of my ramblings for today. Bottom line, you need to use what you have faith in doing the best job for you.
Just my opines!

Rusty

If you want to Speed up Wipe Out or the liquid Wipe Out / Patch out, net time you order some buy some Accelerator as well.

Bench Rest shooters who need a quick cleaning process use it.

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Thanks 505G, I have a bottle of the accelerant !

Like most guys, I've tried just about every brand, type, etc. of bore cleaners on the market. I've settled on Gunzilla and Copperzilla for all my firearm cleaning needs. I only use the copperzilla on rifles/pistols that shoot jacketed bullets. Put it in the barrel, let it sit for 30 minutes, and follow up with clean patches and a bit of Gunzilla. Works for me! For shotguns and rifles/pistols that shoot lead bullets, Gunzilla is all that is necessary.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
All of this stuff is just basic chemisty.
There is nothing new in the periodic tables - on new marketing of the same old solvents with different aromas.

I agree. Most stuff on the market use petroleum distillates or mineral oil as a carrier with smaller amounts of amines, oleic acid or other chemicals

An interesting article for those interested in making their own brew. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2128685.html Here's a sample

My invention is most useful in loosening piston rings, which, owing to gum and carbon formation, become "glued" to the pistons upon which they are mounted. The methods by which my composition is most advantageously applied are described in a subsequent portion of this application. By way of example of a carbon remover made according to my invention, the following is given: gven: ercent by volume Edeleanu extract of boiling range 135 C.195° C ----------------------------42.25 Motor lubricating oil obtained from petroleum --------------------------- 0 Lard oil------------------------------ 10 28% NH3 solution---------------------- .5 25 Oleic acid---------------------------- 2.5 Water---------------------------- --- .

Secondary butyl alcohol--------------- 11 Instead of using motor lubricating oil obtained from petroleum and lard oil, I may substitute said motor lubricating oil entirely, which will have the same effect, namely, to prevent the quick evaporation of the Edeleanu extract, and to serve as a lubricant when the engine is first started after removal of carbon. 35 Instead of using ammonia to form a soap with oleic acid, I may substitute sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, or an organic base such as tri-ethanolamine. Instead of oleic acid, I may use stearic acid, palmitic acid, or other fatty acids. The soap assists in penetrating between the carbon particles, and between the carbon encrustation and the metallic surface, thereby assisting the action of the solvent, and also in helping to loosen the carbon deposit from the metal in the form of flakes. Instead of using secondary butyl alcohol, I rmay use other alcohols, for example, normal butfIl, isobutyl, tertiary butyl, isopropyl, ethylene glycol mono butyl ether, or higher molecular weight alcohols. The alcohol serves the purpose of keeping the soap and water in solution in the mixture, and also as a solvent for gums binding the carbon particles.

I use to make my own bore cleaner when benchrest shooting. Formula has been around for a long time.
GM Top End engine cleaner. 1 can
2-3 oz. blueprint amonia
4oz. Marvel Mystery Oil

Worked as well as the best we had at the time.

KG-12

KG -12 will not show green as do traditional cleaners on cloth, so cloth patch may not be a reliable indicator of copper removed.

I suspended a .308 bullet half way into KG12 and along side a carbon steel test item. After 10 hours the bullet miked .296 and no effect on carbon steel. Similar results after 4 hrs in KG12 were dia. was reduced to .304.

Suggest one use a carbon cleaner ,clean out that residue ,plug bbl. and fill w/ KG 12 for a couple hours or over night. Remove fluid,wipe out bbl and then use another copper cleaner on a patch to see if it turns green.

A buddy and I did a pretty extensive cleaning test on 12 different rifles one time.

We had a borescope.

Even the one with a factory barrel, that copper fouled badly, was always clean after three 10 stroke applications of J&B thinned out a little with Prolix, or with Remclean.

I pushed a few wet patches with Prolix on them between each 10 strokes.

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Originally posted by Scriptus:
Anybody used or have experience with IOSSO Borecleaner?

I use Iosso to clean the hard fouling out. First, I use a wet patch of Hoppes to get the powder fouling out. Then I run a patch of Sweets through. Next a patch of Iosso, and repeat the Sweets/Iosso process till all copper fouling is gone. Then I finish up with a patch of Hoppes to ensure all the Iosso is cleaned out, and finish up with an oil patch.

I run a dry patch after each different solvent/cleaner.

I like Iosso, as the "grit" really does strip out the copper fouling better than using only Sweets. I may be working too hard at it, but I have never lost accuracy, or had corrosion occur using this method.

I have used IOSSO copper cleaner and it works like many others.

I recommend Boretech copper eliminator. No risk to metal or your nose and it worked better for me than K12. My K12 just sits and collects dust.

M98 has been available in South Africa since 1999. It is now being made in the USA and will shortly be available in NZ and Australia. In the US it can be ordered from GS Custom Bullets direct and shortly from a wider base of outlets.

www.gscustomusa.com

I do not use paste type cleaners and polishes or anything that contains abrasives of any sort.

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Originally posted by SG Olds:
I have used IOSSO copper cleaner and it works like many others.

I recommend Boretech copper eliminator. No risk to metal or your nose and it worked better for me than K12. My K12 just sits and collects dust.

Does Boretech work well using only patches? I resist using a bronze bore brush, only because an aggressive solvent will cause it to deteriorate almost as quickly as the copper in the bore. It would be great to eliminate a couple of steps in my copper removal process.

Yes it does. I do occasionally use a nylon copper free brush as well. The nice thing is you don't have to worry about it damaging the bore like you do with traditional ammonia products.

Thanks SG, I will give it a try... hopefully I can still find a small bottle around the shops here... it seems everyting is getting scarce at the gun shops.

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
My K12 just sits and collects dust.

If that's the case, then please throw that KG12 in a small box and mail it to me! I'm just about out and need some more!

Gonna try, one more time with Wipe-Out and, this time, finger cots. HATE the usual mess and if K-12 doesn't cut it a little Shooter's Choice Copper brushed 20 times has been enough to get my stuff back to shooting "slightly coppery". Absolutely slick bores don't mean anything to me except starting over. J-B paste routine is equally messy and takes way too much effort (in case shootaway shoots away).

JB may be messy but it sure does the job.

Wipe-Out worked this time with minimal mess.

I keep bouncing around with cleaning solvents like everyone else. BUT about a year and half ago I bought (and tried) some Hoppes Elite from Wally-World.
I'll be damned if it doesn't clean at least as fast and probably better than the others I've tried. About the same as Wipe Out but faster. It also "seems" to prevent fouling after it is used a few times. None of the others seem to do that.

No - You need to review a Teas chart for solvents. The Teas charts show the basic solvents. That is all that exist unless you mix them or create an alternate universe.


Hansen Solubility Parameters

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Rusty:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
All of this stuff is just basic chemisty.
There is nothing new in the periodic tables - on new marketing of the same old solvents with different aromas.

+1

With due respect to you both, I don't believe that you would say that if you tried KG12.

This stuff is mind-blowing! It cleans like nothing I have ever seen. (and it has very little scent)

Boy I have not seen one of those in many moons. Thanks for posting it though as it really does point out the properties of each compound. Like you said unless someone creates something really new there has been no real new items just repackaging of old. The only real changes besides a few combinations have been gelling, foaming or other delivery method but said compounds remain the same.

I have a big jar of "DCA" (don't clean anymore). It has done wonders for my tennis elbow and my guns shoot just fine.

Ha, ha. Harry wins!

Fortunate thing is that a jar of DCA costs nothing. Problem is that one usually gets what one pays for.

Just what I'd expect from a mono-metal bullet maker whose sticky bullets have to be coated or they'd leave worse racing stripes than my farts...

You are welcome to compare the fouling left by GSC monos with any other bullet. GSC will foul the least copper. Do not assume that all monos are created equally, they are not.

It was a joke, Gerard. I shoot your bullets with regularity.

In my 264 Win Mag (110 HV). And I don't clean it afterward. And for some reason it still shoots.