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Gents: I'm tired of scrubbing my larger bore rifles and black powder express rifles to remove lead from the bores. I hear there is an electronic cleaner with a rod down the barrel's center and a solution of some kind in the bore. Rubber plugs keep the solution in and the rod centered. Electric current passes from the barrels to the rod and the electrolysis carries away the lead (or copper) to adhere to the rod. Two questions: do any of you gents know of this? and, will they work on bores from .500 to a 4-bore (1 inch diameter)? Thanks for your time. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | ||
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I have used this process to get copper out of double rifles you need to watch the process and if the lights change dump the fluid and clean out a layer of carbon then re run if you see more copper will clean them back to bare metal we have six kits and can run several guns at a time you will want to babysit it don't turn things on and go to bed if the juice goes off blue color you are rusting the bore http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...dget-Inclined-Part-I Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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Hi Cal, I have used the Foul Out system up to 458 win mag for copper fouling and up to 45 acp for lead fouling. The system works very well. I don't use it a lot, but occasional use does clean right down to bare metal. | |||
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The Outers Foul-Out is a life saver when you have a tough fouling problem. I used mine to clean new-to-me pawn shop buys ans old mil surp rifles that saw bwtter days. Two different solutions; you would want the one for lead. It works very well but a large bore rifle barrel (especially two) will use up a lot of very expensive fluid each time. Buy the bulk bottle. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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good for weatherby rifles shooting barnes bullets good for cleaning up some one else mess good for cleaning up a rifle I have fired at the double rifle shoots 500 times with out cleaning it because I was to lazy at the moment so a life saver for some of us working on a new hot copper remover you mix your self that has great promise got the recipe from a friend here on ar Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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I have a Foul Out system that has not been used in years. Any reasonable offer: mrmichals@comcast.net NRA Patron Member | |||
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https://groups.google.com/foru...rec.guns/RifRT4NWS8M This is not good news .You'll have to stick to DIY. See the above Surplus Rifles link | |||
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I found it to be a huge pain in the ass. I now use the wipe-out foam on my doubles and have not looked back. Mac | |||
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I'm with Mckay. WipeOut! It is so simple, so good! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I;m another Wipe Out fan...If thats not good enough then mix up some old time bench rest Blue Goop...1 quart of 25% commercial amonia, cup of Hydrogen Peroxide, toss in a copper bullet or penny for color....DO NOT LEAVE IN BORE LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES, then swab with lighter fluid, wipe dry with several patches, then clean with bore solvent, wipe clean and dry then oil bore for sure....One or two passes usually does the job.. I avoid those electronic bore cleaners like the plague, they apparantly caused many ruined bores or so I'm told by those that should know. I have no direct knowledge of that however, but I ok with Wipe Out...  Keep in mind that a clinically clean bore is not what you want, you still have to foul the bore before it shoots good and holds its zero..I clean a bore with Wipe Out about once or twice a year, and the rest of the shooting sessions end with 3 or 4 passes of a bore snake. MOre bores are ruined by cleaning rods than by shooting. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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You're right Ray. It just so happens I have direct knowledge of damaging a bore with an electronic cleaner. If the bore has rust in it, it'll dissolve into the cleaner solution. Outers has a procedure to check for that in the manual. If you leave the unit running with iron-contaminated solution for any length of time, it will draw iron molecules from the steel and pit the bore, at least with a carbon steel barrel. The pits were plainly visible with a bore scope. Later I had that barrel rebored to a larger caliber (a Sauer 200) so I was lucky that I could salvage it. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Any reverse plating system is very risky for the metal surface that is being cleaned. Removing carbon, copper and other gunk from a rifle barrel needs to be done chemically and with as little risk to the bore as possible. I have been using M98 for more than 15 years now and have a couple of rifles that has seen no other treatment than M98. In fact, I only have other solvents in the workshop for testing and some serve as bad examples of what not to do to rifle. Inherently I am lazy and, if you want to get a job done efficiently, ask a lazy person to do it. Cleaning carbon and copper fouling from a rifle is no longer the chore it used to be. | |||
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Gerard, Where can I buy M98? | |||
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Never mind, I just saw it on your website. Welcome to America! | |||
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Give Gina a email at gina@gscustoms.com, she and her husband live in the USA and sell GS Customs bullets and products here..Best big game and DG bullets I've used and good folks to deal with, been dealing with them for maybe 20 or more years. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hi Ray, The path for Gina's email address is gina@gscustomusa.com That will go straight to her and for tech mail I am on gerard@gscustomusa.com or gerard@gscustom.co.za  | |||
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