Electronic bore cleaner--?

30 November 2013, 05:50

cal pappas

Gents:
I'm tired of scrubbing my larger bore rifles and black powder express rifles to remove lead from the bores. I hear there is an electronic cleaner with a rod down the barrel's center and a solution of some kind in the bore. Rubber plugs keep the solution in and the rod centered. Electric current passes from the barrels to the rod and the electrolysis carries away the lead (or copper) to adhere to the rod.
Two questions:
do any of you gents know of this? and,
will they work on bores from .500 to a 4-bore (1 inch diameter)?
Thanks for your time.
Cal

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30 November 2013, 08:05

Doubless

http://www.surplusrifle.com/re.../copperout/index.asp

02 December 2013, 12:07

stradling

I have used this process to get copper out of double rifles

you need to watch the process and if the lights change dump the fluid and clean out a layer of carbon then re run if you see more copper

will clean them back to bare metal

we have six kits and can run several guns at a time you will want to babysit it

don't turn things on and go to bed

if the juice goes off blue color you are rusting the bore

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...dget-Inclined-Part-I

03 December 2013, 00:22

impala#03

Hi Cal,

I have used the Foul Out system up to 458 win mag for copper fouling and up to 45 acp for lead fouling. The system works very well. I don't use it a lot, but occasional use does clean right down to bare metal.

04 December 2013, 00:48

tiggertate

The Outers Foul-Out is a life saver when you have a tough fouling problem. I used mine to clean new-to-me pawn shop buys ans old mil surp rifles that saw bwtter days. Two different solutions; you would want the one for lead. It works very well but a large bore rifle barrel (especially two) will use up a lot of very expensive fluid each time. Buy the bulk bottle.

04 December 2013, 18:31

stradling

good for weatherby rifles shooting barnes bullets

good for cleaning up some one else mess

good for cleaning up a rifle I have fired at the double rifle shoots 500 times with out cleaning it because I was to lazy at the moment

so a life saver for some of us

working on a new hot copper remover you mix your self that has great promise got the recipe from a friend here on ar

05 December 2013, 05:05

Mike Michalski

I have a Foul Out system that has not been used in years. Any reasonable offer: mrmichals@comcast.net

05 December 2013, 07:37

mete

https://groups.google.com/foru...rec.guns/RifRT4NWS8M

This is not good news .You'll have to stick to DIY. See the above Surplus Rifles link

09 December 2013, 22:56

McKay

I found it to be a huge pain in the ass. I now use the wipe-out foam on my doubles and have not looked back.

10 December 2013, 16:13

Rusty

I'm with Mckay. WipeOut! It is so simple, so good!

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20 December 2013, 05:13

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I;m another Wipe Out fan...If thats not good enough then mix up some old time bench rest Blue Goop...1 quart of 25% commercial amonia, cup of Hydrogen Peroxide, toss in a copper bullet or penny for color....DO NOT LEAVE IN BORE LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES, then swab with lighter fluid, wipe dry with several patches, then clean with bore solvent, wipe clean and dry then oil bore for sure....One or two passes usually does the job..

I avoid those electronic bore cleaners like the plague, they apparantly caused many ruined bores or so I'm told by those that should know. I have no direct knowledge of that however, but I ok with Wipe Out...

Keep in mind that a clinically clean bore is not what you want, you still have to foul the bore before it shoots good and holds its zero..I clean a bore with Wipe Out about once or twice a year, and the rest of the shooting sessions end with 3 or 4 passes of a bore snake. MOre bores are ruined by cleaning rods than by shooting.

20 December 2013, 17:35

tiggertate

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I;m another Wipe Out fan...If thats not good enough then mix up some old time bench rest Blue Goop...1 quart of 25% commercial amonia, cup of Hydrogen Peroxide, toss in a copper bullet or penny for color....DO NOT LEAVE IN BORE LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES, then swab with lighter fluid, wipe dry with several patches, then clean with bore solvent, wipe clean and dry then oil bore for sure....One or two passes usually does the job..

I avoid those electronic bore cleaners like the plague, they apparantly caused many ruined bores or so I'm told by those that should know. I have no direct knowledge of that however, but I ok with Wipe Out...

Keep in mind that a clinically clean bore is not what you want, you still have to foul the bore before it shoots good and holds its zero..I clean a bore with Wipe Out about once or twice a year, and the rest of the shooting sessions end with 3 or 4 passes of a bore snake. MOre bores are ruined by cleaning rods than by shooting.

You're right Ray. It just so happens I have direct knowledge of damaging a bore with an electronic cleaner. If the bore has rust in it, it'll dissolve into the cleaner solution. Outers has a procedure to check for that in the manual. If you leave the unit running with iron-contaminated solution for any length of time, it will draw iron molecules from the steel and pit the bore, at least with a carbon steel barrel. The pits were plainly visible with a bore scope. Later I had that barrel rebored to a larger caliber (a Sauer 200) so I was lucky that I could salvage it.

22 December 2013, 17:47

Gerard

Any reverse plating system is very risky for the metal surface that is being cleaned. Removing carbon, copper and other gunk from a rifle barrel needs to be done chemically and with as little risk to the bore as possible.

I have been using M98 for more than 15 years now and have a couple of rifles that has seen no other treatment than M98. In fact, I only have other solvents in the workshop for testing and some serve as bad examples of what not to do to rifle.

Inherently I am lazy and, if you want to get a job done efficiently, ask a lazy person to do it. Cleaning carbon and copper fouling from a rifle is no longer the chore it used to be.