This morning a gentleman from Canada posted a report from Zimbabwe. It was a buffalo leopard hunt. Besides taking buffalo and leopard he also took a chance lion on foot.
Where is the report? Why is it gone?

He took it down due to people not likeing that he shot a younger lion. If they knew the circumstances about it they might have thought different. I was there! Too bad that it happened. I know we all want to shoot old lions but sometimes thee are situations and it does not all happen that way. Too bad to loose a hunt report like that because of comments being made from guys that did not know what the story was

What a pity. The lion looked good to me. Thanks for the update

What a shame! We all lose when that happens!

It's a shame we can't all be perfect.....


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Originally posted by JTEX:
What a shame! We all lose when that happens!

It's a shame we can't all be perfect.....


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Yes it is too bad in a way. It was a younger lion and that was known before hand. Under the circumstances it was decided it had to be hunted anyways and that he might as well be the one hunting it since he was there anyways.
There was no pride around and he was on his own in Cattle country. Enough said about it really. I think he posted it with hopes that people could take it for what it was worth and enjoy a hunt report. He was thinking of reposting it without the Lion in it and I hope he does but I completely understand if he does not.

Shame the report has been deleted as I would have enjoyed reading it. Guess there is no reason to post our lion hunt report due to the fact someone "may" feel it's not on par with others and we just returned 8 days ago.

If I was to ever take a lion (never had the desire to do so) I would NEVER post a report on this site with it.
I would not give a shit if the thing was 15yrs old and not a tooth left in his head.
AR likes to cannibalize it's lion hunters.

This site has it's fair share of trolls and assholes. Post hunt reports only after fully understanding that. I choose not to.

Classic example of how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

10 years ago you could post pics of soft bossed Buffalo and pink nosed Lions and everyone would congratulate you on your success. Today, you are considered the hunting equivalent of a pediphile.

Sad that it has come to this.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Classic example of how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

10 years ago you could post pics of soft bossed Buffalo and pink nosed Lions and everyone would congratulate you on your success. Today, you are considered the hunting equivalent of a pediphile.

Sad that it has come to this.

Wendell, nose color indicates virtually nothing on a lion. You're right, a "little" knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

I never saw the report, nor the lion, so I have no idea what anyone is talking about. So it wasn't me guys!!!

Many years ago I had a customer to come into my then retail hunting / fishing store. I believe he was from the Midwest. He began asking about the mounts on the wall, some of which were taken by me, my brother, some customers, etal. There was one particular whitetail on the wall, a 7-pointer, and he so defiantly said, "where we hunt, that is a cull." I didn't say anything, knowing that he had no clue how difficult it was to take that deer, stalking from sea level to 4500 ft., over the roughest of the Southern Appalachians to finally get a shot at one of the largest whitetails in the area.

From his perch in his treestand over a crop baited field, he couldn't understand how someone could shoot such a lowly animal.

That's when I realized that I would no longer ever consider "Trophy" hunting as a priority for me. I hunt to shoot the best possible specimen available, and sometimes we just cull what we want. That's our priority.

I no longer mount anything (although my wife wants a full bear mount at the entrance to our log home, not sure why?). Nor would I ever post a full hunt report on this forum; we have to many justices and not enough fans.

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Shame the report has been deleted as I would have enjoyed reading it. Guess there is no reason to post our lion hunt report due to the fact someone "may" feel it's not on par with others and we just returned 8 days ago.

So, you shot a lion? That statement is worth nothing without pics, I would bet that you could post a pic of you doing a "bear hug" pose on a cub right now and none of these fine gentlemen would say a cross word....

I"ll pipe in.
Trophy is in the eye of the beholder.
We all took young animals in our lifetime, and sometimes those are the most memorable moments.
we all progressed from young days - anything goes, to later years, when we get picky what we shoot, but even then one should not be ashamed of so called younger animal.
Hunting is hunting, period.
I picture my grand pappy the mighty Neanderthal getting kicked out of his cave by his bride for dragging mammoth calf in instead of 5 ton mammoth bull.
Hmmmm... That would be the day LOL

MD,
I agree with you. I have a euro buff skull on the wall that had 16" boss and was 36" or so. It was an old , toothless and very scarred. My ex-friend, who had hunted Africa with Wally Johnson and was an expert, told me that my buff was a young soft bossed buff he would not have considered shooting.

Anyway, do not let others define your joy or your standards when it comes to hunting or fishing or wives. There is always one with bigger horns or weighs more or has bigger 'you know what's.

Hope he posts his report.

As a sidebar, does anyone remember the guy that took a group to RSA and shot 4 or 5 penned raised lions and reported it here, several years ago? Imagivne what would happen nowadays?

I hunt around the Jocassee Gorges area here in South Carolina and can understand the trials and tribulations that hunting in the Appalachians can bring. While many hunters in my area run "down state" I prefer to slug it out in the mountains after the deer, turkeys, and hogs. They may not be the largest, but the experience is what keeps me returning each year.

I will probably never have the opportunity to hunt Africa and feel it is a shame that sharing of another hunter's experiences were removed to due other's opinions.

mdatewart, I must say that I love the drive on Highway 64 between my house and Chattanooga (where fiancee's family lives). The beauty of the mountains sure makes that drive go by a lot more quickly.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
This site has it's fair share of trolls and assholes. Post hunt reports only after fully understanding that. I choose not to.

true

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Originally posted by nube:
He took it down due to people not likeing that he shot a younger lion. If they knew the circumstances about it they might have thought different. I was there! Too bad that it happened. I know we all want to shoot old lions but sometimes thee are situations and it does not all happen that way. Too bad to loose a hunt report like that because of comments being made from guys that did not know what the story was

and who would those "people" be? i have a pretty good idea. another poster turned off by the "experts" who have the wonderful ability of hindsight... it is always 20:20 after all.

I did mention to him that it was his hunt, and he did not do anything illegal or wrong.

Zimbabwe does not have an age limit on lions.

He was just worried he would be taken to task about it.

Frankly, it is up to the individual to decide what he wants to shoot. As long as it is legal in the country he is hunting in.

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I have noticed over the years, out of all the pricks on this site, 95% of them will chime in on a subject just to let everybody know they are better than you are.... But, for every Ahole there are 100 awesome guys who read but only 5% of them will chime in for some reason.
Todd

A valid point.

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Originally posted by HondoLane:
I hunt around the Jocassee Gorges area here in South Carolina and can understand the trials and tribulations that hunting in the Appalachians can bring. While many hunters in my area run "down state" I prefer to slug it out in the mountains after the deer, turkeys, and hogs. They may not be the largest, but the experience is what keeps me returning each year.

I will probably never have the opportunity to hunt Africa and feel it is a shame that sharing of another hunter's experiences were removed to due other's opinions.

mdatewart, I must say that I love the drive on Highway 64 between my house and Chattanooga (where fiancee's family lives). The beauty of the mountains sure makes that drive go by a lot more quickly.

Look me up sometime when you're in Chattanooga. I have you over and we'll shoot a double rifle or something that's of interest.

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AR likes to cannibalize it's lion hunters.

Alas, these days it is not confined to just lion hunters but they have been the latest to be targeted. Someone mentioned eating our own on another thread and I think it an apt description. The fact is boys, we are a dying breed. Fewer and fewer answering the hunter's horn... and when we as a group ostracize young or inexperienced hunters here or elsewhere, we merely discourage others from particpating in the sport we all enjoy. Sad, actually.

Just added this and found on the web...

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New figures from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service show that the number of hunters 16 and older declined by 10 percent between 1996 and 2006 - from 14 million to about 12.5 million. The drop was most acute in New England, the Rocky Mountains, and the Pacific states, which lost 400,000 hunters in that span.

I wonder what the number is today, seven years later?

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I have noticed over the years, out of all the pricks on this site, 95% of them will chime in on a subject just to let everybody know they are better than you are.... But, for every Ahole there are 100 awesome guys who read but only 5% of them will chime in for some reason.
Todd

A valid point.

Thanks for chiming in Wendell.

Bwanamrm,

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service reports hunter numbers are up 9 percent from 2006 to 2011. Actual numbers increased from 12.5 million hunters to 13.7 million.

Most definitely good news!

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I have noticed over the years, out of all the pricks on this site, 95% of them will chime in on a subject just to let everybody know they are better than you are.... But, for every Ahole there are 100 awesome guys who read but only 5% of them will chime in for some reason.
Todd

A valid point.

Thanks for chiming in Wendell.

No, thank YOU for chiming in!!!

It's not clear to me what happened here or why.

But let's face it, to publish anything in life, one needs talent, judgment and confidence.

The world is a tough crowd.

I did comment about the lion's age but more in a way that it would have become a monster in a few years i never attacked him for that and I also congratulated him for his great safari, hope I did not cause him to remove it

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:


I never saw the report, nor the lion, so I have no idea what anyone is talking about. So it wasn't me guys!!!

Nor I.

my first buff was 34" soft boss bull, but I'm proud of it. Looked good at the time, we were running out of time and PH said it's OK . He was happy for me and we both drank a lot of gin that night and talked about growing up and how everything was trophy including female game.

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Originally posted by bwanamrm:

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AR likes to cannibalize it's lion hunters.

Alas, these days it is not confined to just lion hunters but they have been the latest to be targeted. Someone mentioned eating our own on another thread and I think it an apt description. The fact is boys, we are a dying breed. Fewer and fewer answering the hunter's horn... and when we as a group ostracize young or inexperienced hunters here or elsewhere, we merely discourage others from particpating in the sport we all enjoy. Sad, actually.

Just added this and found on the web...

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New figures from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service show that the number of hunters 16 and older declined by 10 percent between 1996 and 2006 - from 14 million to about 12.5 million. The drop was most acute in New England, the Rocky Mountains, and the Pacific states, which lost 400,000 hunters in that span.

I wonder what the number is today, seven years later?

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Originally posted by Acer:
Bwanamrm,

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service reports hunter numbers are up 9 percent from 2006 to 2011. Actual numbers increased from 12.5 million hunters to 13.7 million.

To Russell's point, the relevant comparison would not be to the absolute numbers of hunters but the number of hunters relative to the total population. The last issue of African Hunting Gazette included an editorial on this same subject. So I think the answer is, while the absolute number of hunters may be up, the number of hunters relative to the total population is shrinking. The latter statement seems to be consistent with my casual experiences.

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So I think the answer is, while the absolute number of hunters may be up, the number of hunters relative to the total population is shrinking. The latter statement seems to be consistent with my casual experiences.

Which also bears out in the political arena. Doesn't matter how many you are...if you adversary is more numerous.

It is a shame that he felt he had to take down the report as he is a client of mine and I can tell you he had an absolute dream safari taking some truly outstanding trophies including the biggest leopard any of my clients has ever shot. He just totally enjoyed the safari experience, really loved the actual hunting and just wanted to share it.

Mark

I think we have to agree that AR is a hard site to post on and if his Lion is a tad on the young side then he will probably get some flack. However that will be individual opinion and that really is what forums are about.

I certainly would like to see the report and this amazing Leopard you speak of.

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I have noticed over the years, out of all the pricks on this site, 95% of them will chime in on a subject just to let everybody know they are better than you are.... But, for every Ahole there are 100 awesome guys who read but only 5% of them will chime in for some reason. (snip)

Unfortunately, you have described our entire culture in a nutshell. Genius is acutely aware of personal limitation, and is thus hesitant to make categorial statement. Mediocrity is oblivious to personal limitation and therefore supremely confident in imperfect or insignificant knowledge. Half the population has an IQ below 100; I just wish they'd find another place to post.

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Half the population has an IQ below 100; I just wish they'd find another place to post.

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Unfortunately, you have described our entire culture in a nutshell. Genius is acutely aware of personal limitation, and is thus hesitant to make categorial statement. Mediocrity is oblivious to personal limitation and therefore supremely confident in imperfect or insignificant knowledge. Half the population has an IQ below 100; I just wish they'd find another place to post.

What a significant statement, one of the best I have read on these boards!

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
It is a shame that he felt he had to take down the report as he is a client of mine and I can tell you he had an absolute dream safari taking some truly outstanding trophies including the biggest leopard any of my clients has ever shot. He just totally enjoyed the safari experience, really loved the actual hunting and just wanted to share it.

Mark

I keep saying that regardless of what other's opinions are, it is your safari, and as long as nothing illegal has been done, don't pay attention to the negative comments.

You don't even have to answer them.

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Originally posted by analog_peninsula:

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Originally posted by just-a-hunter:
I have noticed over the years, out of all the pricks on this site, 95% of them will chime in on a subject just to let everybody know they are better than you are.... But, for every Ahole there are 100 awesome guys who read but only 5% of them will chime in for some reason. (snip)

Unfortunately, you have described our entire culture in a nutshell. Genius is acutely aware of personal limitation, and is thus hesitant to make categorial statement. Mediocrity is oblivious to personal limitation and therefore supremely confident in imperfect or insignificant knowledge. Half the population has an IQ below 100; I just wish they'd find another place to post.

The internet doesn't make people stupid but it sure gives them a great forum to ply their trade!

Kind of surprised you had enough balls to put your lion up on here Sheephunter. From all of your past anti game farm hunting comments that I have seen I was surprised you didn't have a problem hunting a lion in SA like you did. Glad you had a good time.