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Okay, JudgeG, you've exposed me as the "Small Game Hunting" enthusiast that I am. I like the "cat" forum, as they are fun to make fun of (one owns me, of course). If you dig harder, you might find some where I criticize Saeed for his political views, as well. I am not defending Russ at all, here. I am merely pointing out where he is being besmirched. Russ introduced me to AR when we were in Iraq. Together. You can choose to respond to my post snottily, if you'd like, but that says more about you and your character, than it says about mine. Again, on a whim, I read the "other" post you put forth, and I understand why you'd be completely peeved. I feel for you, and know intimately how block-headed Russ can be sometimes. I defend nothing he did on that hunt. I just wish to ensure that Russ' service in Iraq not be characterized as anything but honorable. The rest, I have nothing to do with. If anyone wants my bona fides, feel free to IM me. Or Digital Dan or Derf, both of whom have met me and know me. Thank you. | |||
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120mm: I'm sorry if my reference to your own posts offended you. Yes, it does say something about someones character, I guess??? I thank you for your service and stay safe next time. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Is it customary in this forum to refer to one's posting history when discussing matters of fact? If so, I appreciate the kindness. However, in most forums I've posted to, referring to one's posting history is what people do to try to demonstrate that one's post lacks weight. Unfortunately, I tend to take the reference as an insult, and protestations of innocence without editing the offending post as parsing and linguini spined cowardice of the worst kind. If I am wrong, I apologize deeply. | |||
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I refer to your posts and now am a coward? I give up on that reasoning. I fail to think of any purpose to further respond to such. Semper Fi, JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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No, I was just parsing, like you are. I thought you might like to know how it felt. As a lawyer and judge, I just assumed you knew what you were doing with the keyboard. Take back your post re: my posts, and your post acting stupid, like you didn't mean to jab at me, and I will take back my posts that insinuate you are acting cowardly. If not, you ARE a coward. | |||
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120mm; Apparently like attracts like. This thread was dead but you seemed to think your input was important enough to bring it back to life. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Actually, the thread "died" with some pretty serious accusations involving some pretty heavy hitters on this board. I believe Ray Atkinson is quoted as saying that Russ lied to him about being a servicemember in Iraq, and several piler-ons continued to attack. I think that accusation is an issue separate to the others vis-a-vis the safari. I have no idea why JudgeG felt the need to chime in with a snotty post about me and then parsing about his obvious intentions in making it. I assumed, due to his reputation that he would not be that petty. As far as I know, he doesn't have a dog in this fight, and I truly feel sorry for how shabbily he appeared to be treated in the safari fiasco. In addition, by claiming Russ was not in Iraq as a serving officer, I feel attacked a little personally, unintended as it may be, because in the words of Elmer Keith, "Hell, I was there!" I think it would be a simple matter for Atkinson or any others with doubts to IM me to verify that a) I am who I say I am, and b)Russ' service in Iraq was honorable and c) apologize publically for extrapolating wildly as to whether Russ identified himself correctly or not. Another quote comes to me: "Evil succeeds because good men do nothing." | |||
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120mm, In his dealings with me, Russell has been very truthfull. But, after a member here sent me a link to a post Russell made on huntamerica.com about a hunt he already had in Africa before, I felt he was not being very truthful with us. This post was dated well before he went on this hunt. Especially as my understanding was that he has never been to Africa on a hunt. | |||
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120MM: We have a saying in the military that I'm sure you are familiar with, but for the purposes od illustration to our civilian counterparts it goes like this: "You can build a thousand bridges, but if you suck one little tiny dick {sic} do they call you a bridge builder? I have no doubt as what you say regarding Russell's performance in Iraq, but the officer corps, regardless of branch of service has to be committed to a code of personal conduct and honor that has to be as close to impeccable as we humans can make it. Russell's actions in Africa and to the folks that helped him fulfill a dream were conduct unbecoming that of a military officer or anybody for that matter. You don't know me, but I can personally attest to Judge G's word. A former Marine, he is a true patriot and a brother officer. He speaks the truth. Coupled with Saeed's posting regarding Russell's previous trip to Africa makes this whole sordid affair even more troubling. Again while his service in Iraq was commendable, he is an officer 24 hours a day seven days a week and in this case, he's no "Bridge builder." And I have to add, I found your cat stories quite revolting. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I have no problem with anything you say, jorge. I just thought it would better behoove this august assemblage to confine their criticisms of Russ to fact. Making up stuff to attack him with is hardly necessary, esp about his military service. Russ never shared anything with me about a previous hunt, either. I'm just kind of shocked and trying to fit what I know of Russ and what has been said here together. To be sure, the guy is not very socially adept. Other than that, I just can't fit the two Russ's together. I'm sorry you feel that way about the cat stories, btw. It's just that cats are so much fun to make fun of, as well as attracting the oversensitive, who are even MORE fun to make fun of. One of my weaknesses are gallows humor. | |||
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120mm: Didn't you see my point at all? As far as the cats stuff is concerned, my biggest issue is the fact that this forum is often-times visited by "the enemy" that portends we are a bunch of bloodthirsty sociopaths and your posts might just lend credence to that idiotic theory. I hope you understand. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Oh, sure. Once you guys tire of beating up on each other you have to drag us bloodthirsty sociopaths through the mud, too! Have you no shame?   "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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Jorge, a very good point. However, if we march to their tune, we lose the war. The desire to "make nice" so the mean old lefties won't come get us, is to act like the battered wife, who figures it really IS her fault. Just look at how they become more and more outlandish with what they do, and look how more and more outlandish behaviors are accepted. To surrender dark humor to them is to lose. Because, in fact, there is a little bloodthirsty sociopath in everyone, and I think you'd be surprised how many folks out there think the cat-killing humor is great. almostacowboy, I just blew hot peppermint tea through my nose. And that wasn't nice of you at all.;^) | |||
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Well said, and that is the point. 120mm: Thanks for serving, but your pal's conduct really was unbecoming. | |||
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Saeed I actually found that post and discussed it with a couple of fellows one of whom passed it on. As I later said I think a friend of Russell's was actually posting using his login. At least I eventually re-collected that, though it was three years (or so ago). I remember some posts to that effect at the time. Russell could of course answer that for himself if he fronted up. I think the JudgeG hunt was his FIRST African safari. | |||
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FUBAR pp=ppp Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 120mm: Jorge, a very good point. However, if we march to their tune, we lose the war. The desire to "make nice" so the mean old lefties won't come get us, is to act like the battered wife, who figures it really IS her fault. 120mm: Yo still are not reading me, guess I'm just not very articulate.Regarding the "lefites" {sic} I've never been one to appease them as time has demonstrated, no matter what we do, their only goal is our demise. I just found the humor of kicking an animal's brains all over the place, real or imaginary, does not portend well for anybody. And like some of the things some of us have witnessed while in the armed forces, we just don't advertise it. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Just found this thread. Unbelievable. Amen Howard. Glad I wasn't suckered into parting with any cash. Words fail me. ------------------------------ Richard VENARI LAVARE LUDERE RIDERE OCCEST VIVERE | |||
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Just found this thread. While I certainly don't think Russ did everything he could do make this Safari go off well and probably made life tough for others in the process, the whole situation here reminds me of something my father used to say...."If it's free, it costs too much"!!! This thread also seems to provide a good lesson for all of Ray's future clients as well. It seems that even if the hunt turns out to be a cluster F(*K and obviously one of your own making, best keep your mouth shut or you will bring down his wrath upon you. Now THAT is truly professional behaviour! Note to self....book direct. JMHO, John | |||
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John, Instead of mocking the client on AR, would it be ok for the agent to have a lawyer badger him instead?  | |||
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500grains: Well, I'm nearly certain of one thing. If SH can more or less shrug off a $30,000 plus hunt (which is really what he did, until Ray and Judge G decided they "wuz wronged" and chimed in, that is until Ray started editing his chimes  ), I think Ray and Pierre will run out of bullets for attorney fees long before he does.xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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There is again !!!  OK, I have been asking this question to myself since the first time I saw "Saving Private Ryan" .... what the hell does FUBAR mean ? As it is also said in the movie "it isn´t in my dictionary" !!!  I undertsand it´s a kind of vet slang meaning something sh***y, but I would like to know the exact meaning of that word, and from where does that expression come from .... Just wanting to improve my english !!!   ------------------------------------------  Μολὼν λάβε Duc, sequere, aut de via decede. | |||
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FUBAR=Fucked up beyond all recognition | |||
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F'd Up Beyond All Recognition. [Guess I was slow on the draw again.  ] | |||
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It is one of the three states of being in the US military: SNAFU - Situation Normal All F---ed Up TARFU - Things Are Really F---ed Up FUBAR - F---ed Up Beyond All Repair (some people say the AR stands for Any Recognition) Damn! Two of you beat me while I was typing! ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Thank you very much, all of you three gentlemen !!! This kind of military slang really pleases me !! And thank to you all I can start using it properly ... I can assure you I have plenty of situations that can make my actual condition being described with any of those words Regards, Martin ------------------------------------------ Μολὼν λάβε Duc, sequere, aut de via decede. | |||
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And the ever popular WETSU= We eat this shit up | |||
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And the ever-popular SNAFU Situation Normal, All Fucked Up. "Charlie Foxtrot" or Cluster Fuck Used in a sentence: Q: "Can anyone tell me whether this is a cluster fuck or a circle jerk?" A: "It must be a circle jerk, you can see that Ray is pivot man."  Don_G ...from Texas, by way of Mason, Ohio and Aurora, Colorado! | |||
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What about Fucked Up By AccurateReloading?  (not aimed in any particular direction) Regards, Martin ----------------------- A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. - R. Kipling | |||
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Martin, That was absolutely "priceless"! ~Ann   | |||
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Got to admit I liked that one myself. If anyone is wondering pp=ppp is also standard military poor planning equals piss poor performance. With all the shit going on around here lately I dont know what to believe anymore. I certainly dont want to find myself in the position of assuming the worst about people. However, given reason to distrust is another story.Lately there are too many people falling into the last category. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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