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Originally posted by ManuelM:
Congratulations mister on an outstanding big lion, only problem i see is where will you place that full mounted monster

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Arron,

Looks like a fantabulous hunt bro!! Good work.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I am no expert Brad but I have never taken a Lion from a pride. Never had to and to be honest have always tried to avoid them. They scoff all your bait for starters.

I know some of the lone males I have taken have been younger nomads looking for a pride to infiltrate. My view was always if the Lion is mature and solitary then he is fairgame. I advocate the five year rule but will abide by the country rule.

Basically what I am saying is that pride male should be left to carry on breeding and defend the females for as long as he is able. If they are ousted then so be it and then they are a worthy trophy.

Where I work there has always been many more nomads than prides and in my humble opinion I suspect this concentration is very disruptive to pride dynamics or rather continued social structure.

Like I say I am no expert and my methods and personal ethics are just that. Mine.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Guys,

I'm just going on what the PH told me based on his 20 years experience in 7 countries. I don't have a clue on age but the PH said he was vulnerable because of deteriorating physical condition so I assumed 8 years +. His point was that if he did not shoot the lion that he might loose the big male AND the cubs if a male/males took over the pride. I assumed your advise would be to not shoot him but the PHs point seemed to make sense also.

Mark

Mark,

Indeed this specific lion was elderly and should have been taken out. This is a prolific game area and has a very healthy Lion population. Note this pride male has not been seen since your visit.

If a bait was presented on one of his walk about routes no one would be any the wiser. I would say that many pride males are taken this way which is unfortunate.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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I do not want to say that this IS the only correct course of action to take but this is what we should try to do IMO:
- determine if the pride has any dependant young or obviously pregnant/lactating females
- determine if it is a known male to us (one that we have observed several times in the past and can therefore determine the pride structure and history).
- last but not least, determine of he is 6+

The above was posted by Bwanamich on the "pride male shot" post in the lion forum. Questions;
1) is 2 nights of bait cam pics showing a pride of lions at the bait with no cubs enough to determine that there are no cubs?
2) Would TGTS allow the lion to be shot if only the above was known?
3) Is there any scenario that you wouldn't be able to tell 100% if a female was lactating or pregnant (at any stage), off of a bait cam pic?

It is beyond me why those who have labled themselves the "experts" have been unwilling to come on here and have a constructive conversation about facts that are staring all of us in the face.

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The constructive conversation is taking place in the Lion Conservation Forum Brad...as you well know.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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The constructive conversation is taking place in the Lion Conservation Forum Brad...as you well know.

Are you retarded? I posted that on this thread for a reason 11 days ago!!!

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Congrats Aaron on a great cat and buff. Now you see why I only post hunt reports directly to individuals I know and not here on AR anymore. Appreciated your report even if some others are always taking exception to what is posted here.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Nice my friend!!! Very nice! What a beautiful area to hunt as well!

You da man...Aaron...you da man!