Posted on Behalf of Pravin Ghatge. Contact email add: pghatgekagal@hotmail.com

To all fellow hunters.

This is a report of a very bad experience I had with my safari to Zambia in 2005. I would like to take up the matter with whoever is willing to help me fight such practices, bad management in the safari business.

This is how it happened.
At the 2005 SCI convention, I was looking for a crocodile, Hippo hunt. I wanted to do this in an area where I had not previously hunted, this being my 5th African safari. The other reason being to collect some new species of Plains Game.

My choices were Zambia, Tanzania or Mozambique. Mozambique was ruled out as there were no trophies I could take other than the hippo and croc. Some friends also advised not to consider that country therefore ultimate choice was between Tanzania and Zambia. The Tanzanian operators were really not catering for a specialized safari like the one I wanted and none of them had an area up north where I wanted to take the Masai plains game species.

I visited Wes Hixon’s stall where I met Peter Chipman of Kwalata safaris. Also at the stall was the famous movie maker Mark Watts who was marketing his latest DVD “Double Down.†needless to say I was impressed with the star studded stall as I had just seen the dvd “Jaws of Simbaâ€.

Peter Chipman assured me that his hunting block had 60 miles of river frontage and huge hippo and 13-14 feet crocs were 200% guaranteed. He said we could do this easily in 4 or 5 days and then hunt Sitatunga in the Banguela swamp for a week combined with the swamp species. Now that was exactly what I was looking for, to collect as many trophies in one safari. Hunting Zambia was going to give me an opportunity to take 8 new trophies including the hippo and croc. Most important it meant hunting in areas I had not hunted before.

Mr Chipman offered me this hunt for $12,000 for 12 days. But he said I should get in touch at a later date as if he booked the hunt at the Convention he’d have to pay Wes Hixon his commission. I suppose that is where I should have initially smelt a rat.

Eventually when I got back to India. I finalized the safari for 12 days. I was supposed to hunt the Luangawa valley for Hippo, Croc and Puku and then go to Banguela to hunt the swamp species, Black Lechwe, Sitatunga, Oribi and Tseebee and then if time permitted do the Kafue flats for the Kafue Lechwe. Through all this correspondence Peter assured me a number of times that all the species I wanted were more or less guaranteed except the Sitatunga which obviously I knew was a bit of a chance. And lot of luck!

We landed in Zambia a day before as planned as my past experience has taught me to try and get acclimatized for a day or two. The first surprise was there was no one to pick us up when we arrived. I got through to the Kwalata office after a lot of hassles like changing currency etc, they told me someone was on the way after waiting for 2 hours I contacted Kwalata office again and was given Kessy’s telephone number. (Who is Chipman’s partner?) She said she was not able make the drive of 26 kms to the airport as the country was in acute shortage of gas…I should find my way to the Taj Pamzundi where she will meet me. We tried finding a taxi but there was not a single taxi due to shortage of gas. So the next phone call was to a personal contact in Lusaka who drove down and very kindly dropped us to the hotel.

I did understand this and take this as a part of hunting Africa. Next day we flew to the hunting area where Peter and Sarge (his junior P.H) picked us up. We start hunting the next day.

Day 1; in the morning we set out for Hippo. We drove along the river and spotted pods of Hippos. There were two big males. Peter asked me to shoot one of them. For some reasons the Hippos were not cooperative after some time Peter asked me shoot the other one since he was at a more shootable distance. As I was not able to take the shot Peter reverted back to the 1st hippo. Even my 15 year old son doing his African second hunt noticed and commented on the hesitancy or ‘couldn’t be bothered attitude’ The thing was to get over with!

Eventually we shot one of the hippos and I remember asking Peter on his estimate on the teeth. He informed me that it would be 26 /27inches when measured now they tape out to be just over 23. At this stage I was very keen to have the hippo back skin cured but Mr chipman said we didn’t have time and needed to cut up the hippo and put it out as baits for crocodile immediately. And said that he would replace it with another skin and send it with taxidermy consignment. The skin never arrived.

Day 2; Over the next day we look over a lot of crocodile and I realized there was not a big one there as these guys had taken 10 big ones in that very season. This is something which I fail to understand he was allowing the package buffalo hunters take a crocodile and hippo .I can understand this about a hippo but with a crocodile to reach 12 or 13 feet it probably takes 30 or 40 years. And if you shoot the big ones so indiscrimanately where will the big ones keep coming from. And I was on a specialized Crocodile and hippo hunt!. I’m not an expert but this was my personal observation.

Day 3; We shot a 12 and a half foot crocodile. Which I am sure was the biggest available in that area. Obviously I was very disappointed as I was looking forward to a 13 or 14 feet crocodile after the 200% guarantee by Mr. Chipman. He very callously put it down to hunting luck as there are no guarantees in hunting.

Since I was in the Luangwa valley I was very keen a nice Puku which I had booked from day one. Mr. Chipman had the nerve to inform me there was no Puku available as they had finished their quota and I was to take a Puku on a ranch near Lusaka. I refused to believe the situation as the hunt was confirmed in March 2005.

We needed some camp meat and Mr. Chipman decided to shoot an impala. As it was only camp meat I requested Chipman to let my son shoot it. He agreed but when it came to actually shooting he didn’t bat an eyelid before he picked up the gun himself and shot it himself.

In all my earlier correspondence I had specifically told Mr. Chipman that being Hindus we ate everything but beef. Chipman being a Muslim should understand this as there was no pork available in the camp. They served beef for almost all the meals .I am doing my 6th safari and having hunted with the very best like Rosslyns Safaris, Hunters safaris. Zengela Safaris. Here the client’s food was given as much importance as the hunting. Nowhere did we face such insensitivity. Again the attitude was the problem.

Day4; We drive to the swamps…again it is Rashid’s camp in Banguela so again he being a Muslim there was no pork or liquor. Here it was game meat or beef. The very least he could have done was inform me about the diet constraints. I would have than taken my own tinned stuff.

We get up at three in the morning and drive towards the Machan our car start walking thru knee deep weed and water for over an hour and a half. Mr. Chipman conceded that his local guides had lost their way in the darkness and they would have to wait for sunrise to find their way back. After this I really had had enough of this film star P.H and was happy to hear the good news that he had to leave that evening for Livingston under the pretext that he had a bout of malaria also he said had to get his car ready and finish his packing for a long season in Tanzania. He left me in the with his nephew Sarge as my new P.H. It was decided initially that he would hunt with me thru out the 12 days. this was a blessing in disguise as Sarge is one hell of a nice guy and has a very likeable nature.

The safari hereafter was very enjoyable and we shot a good Black Lechwe, a wonderful Oribi and Tssebee.

Day 8; We shot a very nice mature Sitatunga. We also collected a very good Kafue Lechwe on the Kafue flats and shot a Puku on the ranch, which frankly wasn’t any fun.

But all in all we took all the desired trophies. And that is the reason I thought I would leave the whole experience as it was and be large hearted about it.

We met Mr Chipman at the end of the safari. He billed me $100 for my hotel stay in Lusaka for my hunting days!

This was shocking, unheard and totally unethical. The cost of my hunt was $25,000 including daily rates and trophy fees. By any standards this is not a small amount in 2005. He kept blaming his partner in Lusaka head office for the mismanagement and the confusion. He claimed he was not aware due to their incompetence he had no information on my diet etc… he blamed them for the whole operation being so shoddy.

In the last two years Mr. Chipman has not responded to my emails and through help of various people like Rashid, Mike Borman and local friends I finally got my trophies sent to South Africa after a delay of 2 years. They arrived in South Africa in such a bad condition, further the shipping that should have cost $1,000 cost me $3200 because of wrong packing and labeling on the consignment. (I was so informed in South Africa).

After all this the now I hear from the taxidermist that the crocodile is totally ruined and cannot be salvaged. The Black Lechwe cape is ruined. The puku hooves are ruined too. I’m further shocked to hear that they have not followed skinning instructions that I had specified to Mr. Chipman’s skinners.

Mr. Chipman has sent all the wrong capes as you can see from the taxidermist note. I assume that this Simba and double down has really got to Mr Chipman’s head!

Quote from the taxidermist.“We cannot make your Oribi a full mount as it is skin to be a half mount. Your Lechwe we only received a cape for a shoulder mount and not a half mount, the same with the Sitatunga.â€
“The quote I gave you was in 2005; surely you can’t expect me to do it for two years ago’s prices? Your shipment is by far worse the field preparation on any trophies we have ever received and require a lot of extra work, tuck up and additional care. We also have to make some teeth for your crocodile. You have seen your shipment, capes with no salt or very little, severe hair slip on many capes, broken skulls, missing teeth etc.†hunters taxidermist.

Hello Pravin, sorry to hear about your terrible time in Zambia. It doesn't appear to me that you are hard to get along with, or ask too much of the PH. Your safari turned into a nightmare from the start, continuing until after the finish. In my humble opinion, there is absolutely NO excuse for this kind of treatment, and I feel you realize the problem started when Mr Chipman told you not to book at the SCI show or he'd have to pay Wes Hixson his commission. RED FLAG #1. The guy has no integrity; a back stabber. Wes didn't build his good reputation by doing this to people, and I hope you contacted him so he will know the circumstances. Unfortunately, Wes has no dog in this fight except to re-evaluate his relationship with Mr. Chipman. I doubt I would try to salvage ruined capes. Better to replace them and use your horns. If you need advice on getting replacement capes, feel free to contact me. I spent many years in the taxidermy industry and have contacts all over the world. If you decide to book another hunt in Zambia, ask for information here on AR. Some of the best details and help will be gladly given. Again, I'm sorry about your botched hunt but thank you for posting your story. It may save others from making the same mistake.
Good hunting,
David

Wow! Thanks Reddy for the information and I am so sorry that your hunt and trophy handling were so poorly done. My experience with Johnny DuPlooy (Muchinga Adventures) on the Upper Luangwa last year was the total opposite of yours. I guess you can feel better by letting us know about your experience. Anyone reading this will most likely stay away from Peter Chipman. Thanks again.

John

Sorry for the bad experience but thanks for the post. The bad postings are valuable.

There is no excuse for ruined capes. I have an idea, how about if hunters pay 50% of the trophy fee when they shoot it and the balance after a taxidermist says it is ok to mount. This might bring them in line.

A black list of outfits with poor trophy handling would be very valuable to hunters. If the PH is not prepared to treat the trophies properly and in the manner the client requests, then the shot should not be taken. Hunters should always be on the watch for this.

The first thing I want to see in camp is a mountain of salt!

Just popped over to Wes Hixson's web site and Mr.? Chipman is very proment on the site re: Zambia. A spade is a spade.

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Just popped over to Wes Hixson's web site and Mr.? Chipman is very proment on the site re: Zambia. A spade is a spade.

Very interesting DOJ. If an Outfitter did me that way, we would part company just over the back stabbing. Treat a client of mine as Pravin was, and I would do all in my power to keep the future Hunters aware of such antics. Mr. Chipman gets all kinds of TV exposure. I've watched him on several cable shows. He appears to have plenty of references, but this is totally uncalled for. You can judge most PH's by their concern (or lack of) for a clients trophies AFTER the hunt. The ones that blow you off are only looking for their next sucker. However, most do care about their clients trophies, and naturally want them to come back and hunt with them. Like Grafton mentioned: I want to see a mountain of salt in camp. It shows they care about their clients and will do everything possible to keep their trophies in good shape. That won't excuse bad skinning however. And the biggest sting comes from butchered capes and skins, over boiled horns etc. LDK
NOTE: reddy375 just posted this message. He did not take this hunt: Posted on Behalf of Pravin Ghatge. Contact email add: pghatgekagal@hotmail.com

Thank you, Reddy375. Not five minutes prior to reading your story I had been given adivce to check out Mr. Chipman by someone who has hunted with him. Thank you for relating the facts, you may have saved me a lot of money.

Dutch

Reddy375, thank you for sharing Mr. Parvin’s experience with us, there is no excuse for the ruined trophies. However, when Mr.Chipman first told Parvin to bye pass Wex Hixson he should have walked away but by going on with the deal he become a party to it. The lure for Mr.Parveen to deal with Chipman directly could be a cheaper hunt. It is a good lesson to us of what not to do.

I hunted in Luawata in 2006 which is upriver to Mr.Chipman’s concession and had a very good time, however, inches in the length of trophy is not a factor in success of my hunt. This report has enlightened us of one shaggy operator, thank you.

Thank you for this excellent reports. Negative reports, however uncomfortable and unpleasant they are to do, are far more valuable to us than positive ones.

I think this brings up an important issue. It appears that Chipman thought he could screw the client with impunity. The client was from India--probably not a country from which he draws much business and had no connection with a booking agent. In other words, he could treat the client poorly and probably no one would ever hear of it. (Do you think that Craig Boddington would have been treated this way?

I confess that in the past I have considered booking agents to be an unnecessary "middle man." I can see that it is probably a good idea to use a booking agent when hunting with a new firm for the first time. At least you have the reassurance that the outfitter has the desire to keep in the good graces of the booking agent.

A report of this hunt should be filed with Don Causey as well.

I have been looking to hunt in Zambia and have been looking at outfitters; Chipman among them. Chipman is now off the list.

I feel for you and worry about a similar thing happening to me someday. I recently went through a very unsatisfactory experience with a taxidermist and was unable to get it sorted to my liking.

There are crooked people out there and you seem to have done your homework. All I can hope for is that the person that cheated you will make it good somehow. My fiasco cost me a $1000 but I still have the trophy but have to have it redone due to the mess by the first taxidermist.

I wish you well and hope your next trip does not go like this one.

Following up from the report above. Pravin has just sent me this latest news from his Taxidermist, re his now worthless Zambian tropies:

"We are busy with your trophies. The tannery have let us know that the crocodile skin is in really bad shape and they prefer not tanning it, it will take longer than 12 months with a high risk. The only thing we can do with the crocodile is to clean and bleach the skull. Please advice." Deon Cilliers. hunters Taxidermy.South Africa.

I am sorry to read of Pravin's negative experience. I had an enjoyable and successful lion/buffalo hunt with Peter Chipman in 2004. Having spent some time with Peter, I do NOT personally think that what was descried above was intentionally malicious, but possibly the result of inadequate planning and attention to details on Kwalata's end, which of course are no excuses, magnified by poor communications. I do know that Peter split with his former partner due to problems which I was not privy to.

I emailed Pravin on 7/27, and also Peter advising him of this report in the event that he wanted to respond and/or attempt to make amends (Update 8/1: Pravin has emailed w/me, but Peter is in the bush. Update 8/22: Peter & Pravin are in communications and expect to work something out).

Bill, I was looking forward to your take on this, as one of the reliable and valuable voices here on AR, and a friend of Peters.

I hunted with Peter and Sarge in 2005 as well. Our experience in Zambia was very positive for the most part, but there were some problems when it came to trophy delivery.

Our trophies came in multiple shipments (4 hunters), the first arriving a full year after the hunt, and my own not until March of this year, almost 18 months later. I talked to Peter at SCI in Jan. of 'O6, before there was really a problem. He said that the shipments were packed and waiting at the airport, but that agricultural shipments were taking priority at the time. No indication though that they'd be a year in coming still.

My father-in-law, who booked the hunt and dealt with the shipping behind the scenes, I know was pretty pissed with the situation, and the lack of communication on Peter's end.

All trophies have arrived and are with Animal Artistry in Reno. We haven't heard of any problems with the quality of trophy prep, tanning/hair issues, or anything of that nature.

I offer the following comments:

1. Booking directly with the PH/Outfitter - Our first contact with Peter was direct, as we thought it a favor to Peter to save him the agent fees. When talking price, we got a different quote from Peter vs. Wes Hixon - Wes's actually being lower. We got the lower price, but ultimately did not use the services of Wes Hixon. When shipping became an issue following the hunt, and Peter's people went through Wes as per usual, the response we observed from Wes via e'mail was "I don't know these people." Moral of the story, you better make sure your outfitter has a good infrastructure before you go circumvent his sole agent in the states, who may be your only ally if things go south.

2. Quotas - our hunt was arranged last minute, so we knew we were stuck with what remained on quota. We also had no Puku available, but were not promised one either. I did get the impression that quota with Peter was kind of a moving target. I recall lb404 had some issues with Peter and quota that same year.

3. Hippo hunting - I think you'd have to really go out of your way to make a hippo hunt an exciting affair. Our group took one, and it was much as described by Pravin.

4. Crocodile quality - Is a 12.5 foot croc not a pretty good trophy? Certainly not far off from the 13-14' expectations. Also, when I was there at the first of October, a large number of trophies from the year's clients were being staged for shipment (did they ever arrive?). There were only 3 croc skins at that time. I doubt that 10 crocs were taken in a single season.

Well, I'm sorry that Pravin had such a bad experience, but I also have a hard time with the wholesale tagging Peter Chipman as a bad outfit. Are clients treated differently and given varying levels of service? Probably so.

Brian

It is unfortunate Pravin did not have the best of safaris. I commend him for sharing the good parts of the safari as well. FWIW, a friend and I hunted with Peter and Sarge in September 06 and had a great safari. There were a few hiccups, but nothing that made either of say that we would not go back.

One thing that was a bummer was that when we listed our preferred animals thinking these would be reserved for us, which they were, but in fact tags had to be purchased ahead of time and no ther animals were then available to us. When we asked Peter why, he was very honest and forthright. He said his partner was late in making payments to the Government and had been warned and also had the purchase ahead of time penalty imposed. I believe by the time we were there, there was a new partner. Again, we simply shot the animals we originally requested. It wasnt a big deal.

The only other hiccup was our zebra skins didnt make it into the crate. They were shot on a ranch and not the governemnt concession and somehow were misplaced. BTW, Christine who works with Kwalata busted her butt, found them, and is having them shipped to us without charge.

I will say this, Peter and Sarge are fun to hang out with, have a great staff, great food, and plenty of animals.

To me, Pravin comes across as very credible. It is quite possible that many have had fine safaris with Chipman. It sounds like Chipman had a complete breakdown on the logistics side of things. Many hunters may be excellent in the field, but it takes a whole different expertise to provide the organization. Not having someone from the safari company at the airport, not only for transportation, but to assist through gun clearance, etc, is just poor management.

As an aside, who would provide beef to a client from India before asking the client? I wouldn't expect the camp staff and cook to even know what a Hindu is, but the PH should have at least a modicum of education. I assume this was done out of ignorance, not malice. It would be like serving pork to a new client from Saudi.

i have no idea how much this safari cost but any hunt in Zambia ain't cheap! to not even provide for basic dietary requierments is absolutely inexcusable. if Chipman can't handle this simple task i sure wouldn't expect him to get anything else right.

I have no idea what went wrong with Mr. Parvin's Zambian Safari. Nevertheless, it is unfortunate. Hopefully Peter will get a chance to drop by and provide an explanation.

I can tell you that my good friend and I hunted with Sarge Karim in the Lower Lupande within the past 30 days. My friend is in the restaurant business and was more than amazed at the quality of the meals provided by the staff, including chilled deserts and even ice cream.

Sarge was my PH, while my friend hunted with Simon Burgess. Both of these gentlemen worked very hard to ensure that we had a successful safari and that we obtained the game we were there to hunt. Sarge and Simon know their business, and my friend and I consider both gentlemen to be permanent friends. We would hunt with Sarge and Simon again.

Peter was in the Upper Lupande with other clients and we only met him briefly while we were there.

I was under no pressure to shoot a hippo even though I had one on license. My friend scored on a huge hippo, a very nice croc and a good, hard bossed old buffalo. I hunted four days in the thick stuff for the buffalo I wanted and he exceeded my expectations. I also had no problem taking a respectable croc, as well as a 24+ inch Impala which we did use for camp meat. All in all, our experience was far different that that of Parvin. It was, however two years later and thing have apparently changed for the better.

I will also add that my PH never fired a shot at any of my animals (it was close on the buff) and never became impatient or pressed me to take a shot if I didn't feel right about it.

We booked our hunt through Wes Hixon, and he bent over backward to ensure that we got everything we hoped for and expected. We were met and assisted through customs by Christine and Salma at Lusaka, and met at Mfuwi by Sarge and the trackers. It was a grand time and I would do it all again in a minute.

We will not receive trophies for quite a while yet and I cannot comment on that part of Parvin's experience. However, there were quite a few trophies from other hunters in the sheds awaiting shipment. I did not see huge piles of salt, nor did I look.

Pravin,

I am very sorry that you had so many problems on your safari. The trophy prep is absolutely inexcusable. Are you seeking any restitution?

I must admit I was quite surprised to see a negative report on Kwalata Safaris... I think it may be the first one I have seen. I encourage you to file a report with Don Causey's "The Hunting Report". Whenever he receives a negative report, he contacts the outfitter/PH directly to see what the problem was and get their side of the story. Also this can help quite a bit if you are seeking restitution as there are quite a few subscribers to the report. Website is;

http://www.huntingreport.com/hunt_report.cfm

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Our first contact with Peter was direct, as we thought it a favor to Peter to save him the agent fees. When talking price, we got a different quote from Peter vs. Wes Hixon - Wes's actually being lower. We got the lower price, but ultimately did not use the services of Wes Hixon.

Thats funny when you book direct you have to pay more....

Seloushunter

First let me say that I am not biased to nor do I know any individual in the original post. I don't think any body here understands business and secondly the little bit of business you do know is screw everybody if I can save a buck. First of all the reason Chipman has to offer his hunts at a higher rate when dealing direct is a because of a contract that he signs with an outfitter he works with. This contract protects the outfitter from getting screwed. Mr. Hixon is providing a service to Mr.Chipman. Payment is rendered when Mr. Hixon sells hunts for Mr.Chipman. This narrows Mr. Chipmans profit margin, but that is fine because Mr. Chipman knows this before hand and has agreed to it. Mr. Hixon payed for a booth at a safari show to increase his exposer and chances of making these sales. Having Mr. Chipman is a marketing tool Mr. Hixon used to lure potential clients. While in front of Mr. Hixon and without knowing Mr. CHatge of course Mr CHipman had to offer at a higher price to protect his relationship with Mr. Hixon which he values. But after jawing, away from the presence or knowledge of Mr. Hixon, Mr, Chipmans colors shined through, and 2 tightasses got to do business together. The truth is I have no mercy on two hores that lay in bed together and one complains that she got f*$@#d! You got what you deserved Mr. Chatge. Mr. Hixon is seamingly the most decent individual in this case.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
First let me say that I am not biased to nor do I know any individual in the original post. I don't think any body here understands business and secondly the little bit of business you do know is screw everybody if I can save a buck. First of all the reason Chipman has to offer his hunts at a higher rate when dealing direct is a because of a contract that he signs with an outfitter he works with. This contract protects the outfitter from getting screwed. Mr. Hixon is providing a service to Mr.Chipman. Payment is rendered when Mr. Hixon sells hunts for Mr.Chipman. This narrows Mr. Chipmans profit margin, but that is fine because Mr. Chipman knows this before hand and has agreed to it. Mr. Hixon payed for a booth at a safari show to increase his exposer and chances of making these sales. Having Mr. Chipman is a marketing tool Mr. Hixon used to lure potential clients. While in front of Mr. Hixon and without knowing Mr. CHatge of course Mr CHipman had to offer at a higher price to protect his relationship with Mr. Hixon which he values. But after jawing, away from the presence or knowledge of Mr. Hixon, Mr, Chipmans colors shined through, and 2 tightasses got to do business together. The truth is I have no mercy on two hores that lay in bed together and one complains that she got f*$@#d! You got what you deserved Mr. Chatge. Mr. Hixon is seamingly the most decent individual in this case.

Smarterthanu -- You obviously missed the whole picture!!! Mr. Ghatge did not once complain about the price. The issue is the way the hunt was conducted and care of the trophies. Regardless whether Mr. Hixon was involved or not Mr. Chipman is obliged to do the right thing for all his clients.

I am a business man and I do the right thing for all my clients whether they are referred to me or come on their own.

So your comments about whores and F$&&*% is not a very smart comment.

Mr. 375 you missed my point apparently.

"Our first contact with Peter was direct, as we thought it a favor to Peter to save him the agent fees. When talking price, we got a different quote from Peter vs. Wes Hixon - Wes's actually being lower. We got the lower price, but ultimately did not use the services of Wes Hixon."

Obviously price was important. In no way did I defend the actions of Mr. Chipman. Notice I said there were two whores in that bed. It is ignorance on the part of Mr.Chatge to believe someone he can visibly see screwing someone else won't screw him too. The previous comment is spot on, and hopefully Mr Chatge will learn to do reputable business, and people will watch out for Mr. Chipman.

Hello Reddy

Thank you for posting this information. I agree with you 100% there is no excuse for how your friend was treated or for the trophy care.

Mr. smart you quoted btglfer not Pravin.

Regards
Aziz

Aziz, point well taken. There is still no excuse for the actions of either party. He should have approached Mr. Hixon for the hunt in all fairness. The other positive side to dealing with Mr hixon would have been the civil ramifications that could have been pursued because money was given to a U.S. company.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Aziz, point well taken. There is still no excuse for the actions of either party. He should have approached Mr. Hixon for the hunt in all fairness. The other positive side to dealing with Mr hixon would have been the civil ramifications that could have been pursued because money was given to a U.S. company.

what do you mean, no excuse?? he did exactly what the guy he was going to be hunting with asked him to do. who would you rather stay on the good side of- the guy who will actually be conducting the hunt or his booking agent? price was not an issue for him but it obviously was for Chipman. this guy got screwed through NO fault of his on, other than a desire to do as the PH requested.

Can someone be realistic and answer this question.
Who introduced the hunter to Mr. Chipman?
Answer: Mr. Hixon. If Mr. Hixon did not spend his money from his business at that safari show chances are good the hunter never would have got hooked up with Chipman.
Don't kid yourself that the hunter didn't know he was screwing Mr. Hixon out of his commission and he was a willing participant. I know the hunter got screwed! I just don't want to hear people that whine about getting screwed when they are willing participants in a screwing themselves.

Why is this being posted/reported 2 years after the experience?

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Can someone be realistic and answer this question.
Who introduced the hunter to Mr. Chipman?
Answer: Mr. Hixon. If Mr. Hixon did not spend his money from his business at that safari show chances are good the hunter never would have got hooked up with Chipman.
Don't kid yourself that the hunter didn't know he was screwing Mr. Hixon out of his commission and he was a willing participant. I know the hunter got screwed! I just don't want to hear people that whine about getting screwed when they are willing participants in a screwing themselves.

Well, well as your name suggets you do think you are smarterthanu. Your langauage gives one to understand your lack of education and understanding of this matter. Pl note that Ghatge is only giving us his experience which is great as i for one will not touch Peter Chipman with a barge pole after such a experience .You on the other hand should book a hunt, ie if you are a hunter and go try out Chipman instead of shooting your wise mouth off.

Howdy DSC,
Well I wasn't talking trash but here we go. Ghatge is not strictly giving us info. He is trying to sling mud. Which he did, and I am sure many are grateful. However when you post on this forum you open yourself up for criticizm. If you wish to remain self-righteous don't post your ass up on the forums. FYI I book on average two hunts every year, and have never, and will never use Chipman. At the same time I have never screwed over one single outfitter I have ever used. If you would read my posts, before you shoot your mouth off, I never took up for Mr. Chipman, dumb-ass!

If there is a dumb ass on this forum, it seems to be you, Ghatge has given us a insight as to what has happened. If you had lost all your trophies you would have taken a bulldozer full of mud and slung it judging from your stupid attitude and language.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Howdy DSC,
Well I wasn't talking trash but here we go. Ghatge is not strictly giving us info. He is trying to sling mud. Which he did, and I am sure many are grateful. However when you post on this forum you open yourself up for criticizm. If you wish to remain self-righteous don't post your ass up on the forums. FYI I book on average two hunts every year, and have never, and will never use Chipman. At the same time I have never screwed over one single outfitter I have ever used. If you would read my posts, before you shoot your mouth off, I never took up for Mr. Chipman, dumb-ass!

Smarterthanu - You have a valid point to an extent, but certainly your language is not appropriate.

Smarterthanu,
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about something!

The issue here is not about who screwed whom but about the shoddy treatment that Ghatge received. As I see it there has been no mud slinging - he just mentioned what took place and he was also gracious enough to praise Sarge and admit that he had a a good time after Mr. Chipman left.

You obviously have noted the point he is trying to make as you wrote - "I...have never, and will never use Chipman". So accept the information on the post, keep the language clean and keep the pontificating for other forums.

Pluto

I attacked Mr. DSC after he decided he needed to attack my inteligence. The mudslinging comment was based on his post, and there is plenty of mud slinging in Ghatge's post. Once DSC decided to talk trash about my education I let him have it. By the way "smarterthanu" is a joke between me and a friend on this forum and people here need to loosen thier self centered values and quit assuming someone is trying to insult them. Mr. Pluto, I perfectly understand what the reason was for posting the hunt report here, and once again I will agree that Mr.Chipman did not treat his client in a proffessional manner if all things in the post are true. But at the same time Mr. Ghatge openly engauged in a practice to sidestep and screw the only seemingly honest person here, Mr Hixon. Do you really think you would get an unbiased, no BS post from someone that screws people over (Mr. Ghatge)! This is my point people. I am starting to think a lot of people got thier panties in a whad because I attacked a practice all too commonly used by some people on this forum, and they don't like being painted as the cheats that they are.

Now now,what intelligence are we talking about..i surely cant see any. But glad to know you wear panties because i am sure the others on this esteem forum dont, and also dont like being called cheats by a ass.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
I attacked Mr. DSC after he decided he needed to attack my inteligence. The mudslinging comment was based on his post, and there is plenty of mud slinging in Ghatge's post. Once DSC decided to talk trash about my education I let him have it. By the way "smarterthanu" is a joke between me and a friend on this forum and people here need to loosen thier self centered values and quit assuming someone is trying to insult them. Mr. Pluto, I perfectly understand what the reason was for posting the hunt report here, and once again I will agree that Mr.Chipman did not treat his client in a proffessional manner if all things in the post are true. But at the same time Mr. Ghatge openly engauged in a practice to sidestep and screw the only seemingly honest person here, Mr Hixon. Do you really think you would get an unbiased, no BS post from someone that screws people over (Mr. Ghatge)! This is my point people. I am starting to think a lot of people got thier panties in a whad because I attacked a practice all too commonly used by some people on this forum, and they don't like being painted as the cheats that they are.

DSC, notice the word "some" before the words "people on this forum". I did not make a blanket statement about forum members here. Many members here are honorable, honest educated, people. You however are not. Your sole purpose since joining this thread is to attack me, and you have added nothing of value to the debate. Maybe you are the cheat that I spoke of in the last thread and you just don't like the taste of crow. Shame on you DSC, not for being complacent to dishonesty, but because you attack men who will stand against it. You are of little substance and honor.

You seem to be pre occupied with the word cheating, and all the other un complimentary language. You , of course are not getting the point that nobody is a cheat here, the saga of peter chipman is the story which everyone should know off . Period.
About attack and defending...well thats something you started with your excellant language and bad taste.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
DSC, notice the word "some" before the words "people on this forum". I did not make a blanket statement about forum members here. Many members here are honorable, honest educated, people. You however are not. Your sole purpose since joining this thread is to attack me, and you have added nothing of value to the debate. Maybe you are the cheat that I spoke of in the last thread and you just don't like the taste of crow. Shame on you DSC, not for being complacent to dishonesty, but because you attack men who will stand against it. You are of little substance and honor.

So truth leaves a bad taste in your mouth?

"Mr Chipman offered me this hunt for $12,000 for 12 days. But he said I should get in touch at a later date as if he booked the hunt at the Convention he’d have to pay Wes Hixon his commission. I suppose that is where I should have initially smelt a rat."

These are the words of Ghatge. He knew the deal was shady. But he did it any way. Unless he will post back on here that he traded money and contract with Mr. Hixon then he is of low moral fiber.
And you finally said something constructive. Yes everyone should know about this, both Chipman and Ghatge.
Maybe you and Ghatge can go on a hunt with Out of Africa Safaris next year together and be peas in a pod.

Maybe they should start a new area for DUMB ASSES to exchange their ideas, nuff said!

I think my point is proven. Nuff Said!

yep, you are right ...we seem to have many on the forum, esp ones who like to use the word Dumd Ass.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Maybe they should start a new area for DUMB ASSES to exchange their ideas, nuff said!