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Cal: My association with SCI as its publications director from 1983 to 1999 gave me some insight into some of the things you've mentioned. Although I retired 13 years ago, and haven't been privy to anything that has happened inside the club since then, I am qualified to say that you know not of what you speak: 1, There was never "a meeting to determine how to raise more funds" that resulted in the Inner Circle/Grand Slam programs. Founder C.J. McElroy designed them himself with no input from others. He then called in staff (including me) to implement them. He borrowed from the CIC of Europe his idea of using sashes to showcase a member's hunting achievements, but dropped the sashes after three years because of complaints from participating U.S. members. The Europeans and South Americans loved them. 2. Negative hunting reports are purposely filed in the outfitter's files and not published because to do so would require also publishing a rebuttal from the accused, and the publishing division has neither staff nor time to do this. (When I was there, the editorial staff consisted of me and one other person. We produced more than 3,000 pages a year.) The reports in the newspaper are greatly edited to cut them to only a few lines because of space. All hunting reports submitted (including the good, bad, and indifferent) are available to any member who requests the files for a specific outfitter. 3. If, as you say, the majority of vendors are so disgusted with the way SCI treats them, why is there a waiting list and why do so many return year after year, giving SCI's shows as many vendors as all the other safari organization shows combined? 4. SCI has nothing to do with the prices of tables and other things that vendors rent. The prices are set by the "set-up" company that contracts with the venues in Nevada and not SCI. 5. If you want to place blame for "canned" hunts and high prices, blame the economics of supply and demand. High-fenced hunts would not exist if there were no demand and, as everyone knows, prices are determined by costs and demand. 5. As for Elgin Gates, he talked a good show, but his emphasis on trophy hunting and trophy size was exactly what you rant about. Bill Quimby | |||
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Bill, I can contact SCI and ask for all hunt reports for Luke Samaris or whoever? Correct? | |||
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Unless something has changed, yes. Bill Quimby | |||
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Bill, Thanks for this piece of information. I had always assumed that the whole file was what was available in the magazine, and if you had a long enough collection, there was no point to it. I would think that the editorial staff would do itself some good by posting this at the beginning of the hunt report section. | |||
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SCI is to blame for the high cost of safari prices?? Was hunting more affordable in the time of Roosevelt?? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Agree. I used to do exactly that when we published the reports in the magazine. Don't know why it was dropped after I retired. Bill Quimby | |||
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Thats why we need SCI, Boone and Crocket and all the other hunting organisations in the world today. Because of the dedicate work this organisations do, guys like Peter Flack can report this today http://www.peterflack.co.za/bo...sSAConservation.html Nils-Ole | |||
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I am amazed at the level of reading comprehension (read "lack of") illustrated in the responsesto Fritz's post.His point was made succinctly and anyone with a grade 5 level of comprehension would have understood. "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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Some of us understand-we just disagree with him. ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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