05 March 2012, 11:01
billrquimbySafari Times - SCI- Hunt Reports a joke?
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Good day, Gents.
In a word, it's all about MONEY. Years ago SCI members wore a sash with pins representing the animals they shot. A meeting was held to determine how to raise more funds and the result was the slams, circles, diamond awards, etc... with that was the SCI record book allowed very small animals to be included--for a price, of course. Their logo should read: "SCI first for SCI, hunter's second." Over the years I became so personally disgusted with the canned hunts, hunt reports that were unrealistically positive (to keep revenue from outfitters), and stories from the wealthy few that can kill all of the wild sheep in a month, I requested SCI to stop sending me both the newspaper and the magazine. I am still a member although I really don't know why--I go to Dallas and avoid SCI's Reno Las Vegas shows. I suggest talking to some vendors at the SCI show and ask them about SCI's attitude toward the vendors as to money is concerned. Check out the price of table and carpet rentals!! A friend bought his table an carpet and rents a storage locker for 30$ a month and saves thousands. While SCI may do some good as to publicity and telling the populace about hunting, I personally feel SCI is the reason for canned hunts and the price of hunting going as high as it has. Hunting has become a competitive sport with who gets the most and the biggest in the least amount of time gets the highest reward. I have spoken to countless hunters who are after the North American 29 or the little 7 or this slam or that circle. They never tell me of the challenge of the stalk, only how the critter measured. And, I have seen adults throw childish tantrums when their kudu as 1/2" smaller than the PH thought it was. The days of Teddy Roosevelt and Elgin Gates are gone forever. Instant gratification. Take a shooting rest with a rifle vise to the plains, shoot a pronghorn at 500 yards, and get in the "book" but don't learn how to track and hunt. Look at the number of high fence guaranteed hunting areas exist. Visit the Sanctuary at the next SCI show--one day at the ranch and you can shoot any size you wish--tame deer with big antlers command a big price, and get in the "book" a "circle" a "slam" a "diamond award" again, for a price.
To conclude my rant, many of my teacher friends are very opposed to hunting. Some are members of PETA. Low life, all of them, but one told me something that made some sense. They want to go to the SCI convention in 2013 and secretly video the guaranteed hunts and high fence hunts and to public with their findings. I predict if they do this it will make our passion viewed very poorly in the eye of the public--even more so than it already is.Cheers all,Cal
Cal:
My association with SCI as its publications director from 1983 to 1999 gave me some insight into some of the things you've mentioned. Although I retired 13 years ago, and haven't been privy to anything that has happened inside the club since then, I am qualified to say that you know not of what you speak:
1, There was never "a meeting to determine how to raise more funds" that resulted in the Inner Circle/Grand Slam programs. Founder C.J. McElroy designed them himself with no input from others. He then called in staff (including me) to implement them. He borrowed from the CIC of Europe his idea of using sashes to showcase a member's hunting achievements, but dropped the sashes after three years because of complaints from participating U.S. members. The Europeans and South Americans loved them.
2. Negative hunting reports are purposely filed in the outfitter's files and not published because to do so would require also publishing a rebuttal from the accused, and the publishing division has neither staff nor time to do this. (When I was there, the editorial staff consisted of me and one other person. We produced more than 3,000 pages a year.) The reports in the newspaper are greatly edited to cut them to only a few lines because of space. All hunting reports submitted (including the good, bad, and indifferent) are available to any member who requests the files for a specific outfitter.
3. If, as you say, the majority of vendors are so disgusted with the way SCI treats them, why is there a waiting list and why do so many return year after year, giving SCI's shows as many vendors as all the other safari organization shows combined?
4. SCI has nothing to do with the prices of tables and other things that vendors rent. The prices are set by the "set-up" company that contracts with the venues in Nevada and not SCI.
5. If you want to place blame for "canned" hunts and high prices, blame the economics of supply and demand. High-fenced hunts would not exist if there were no demand and, as everyone knows, prices are determined by costs and demand.
5. As for Elgin Gates, he talked a good show, but his emphasis on trophy hunting and trophy size was exactly what you rant about.
Bill Quimby
05 March 2012, 12:40
We Are Sparta!Bill,
I can contact SCI and ask for all hunt reports for Luke Samaris or whoever? Correct?
05 March 2012, 19:01
billrquimbyUnless something has changed, yes.
Bill Quimby
06 March 2012, 06:34
crbutlerBill,
Thanks for this piece of information. I had always assumed that the whole file was what was available in the magazine, and if you had a long enough collection, there was no point to it.
I would think that the editorial staff would do itself some good by posting this at the beginning of the hunt report section.
06 March 2012, 08:24
Matt GrahamSCI is to blame for the high cost of safari prices?? Was hunting more affordable in the time of Roosevelt??
06 March 2012, 08:35
billrquimbyquote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
Bill,
Thanks for this piece of information. I had always assumed that the whole file was what was available in the magazine, and if you had a long enough collection, there was no point to it.
I would think that the editorial staff would do itself some good by posting this at the beginning of the hunt report section.
Agree. I used to do exactly that when we published the reports in the magazine. Don't know why it was dropped after I retired.
Bill Quimby
17 March 2012, 02:40
STUBBERUDquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Good day, Gents.
In a word, it's all about MONEY.
Thats why we need SCI, Boone and Crocket and all the other hunting organisations in the world today. Because of the dedicate work this organisations do, guys like Peter Flack can report this today
http://www.peterflack.co.za/bo...sSAConservation.htmlNils-Ole
05 May 2012, 19:22
almostacowboyI am amazed at the level of reading comprehension (read "lack of") illustrated in the responsesto Fritz's post.His point was made succinctly and anyone with a grade 5 level of comprehension would have understood.
05 May 2012, 20:31
twoseventyquote:
Originally posted by almostacowboy:
I am amazed at the level of reading comprehension (read "lack of") illustrated in the responsesto Fritz's post.His point was made succinctly and anyone with a grade 5 level of comprehension would have understood.
Some of us understand-we just disagree with him.