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| <Matt G SSF> |
I have set up a new forums site, this site is www.single-shot-forums.com I have set this site up for several reasons. For one to give everyone another place to share knowledge and information. Another is I wanted to do something a little different than the rest of the sites out there. To find out what I mean visit the site and you will understand. Please note that most of the forums are moderated(not very liberal though) but some are not. There is a wealth of information that can be shared and everywhere you go there seems to be a little more, or something new. This system was set up today so there is not much there yet, but if you visit it and share your knowledge with the others that also visit then maybe it too can become a nice place to visit. Rules ? Hmmm yeah.. Life is Short, Enjoy It. http://www.single-shot-forums.com [ 09-04-2002, 01:50: Message edited by: OpenedEyes ] | ||
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Gripes, Complaints, Pissing Contests. This forum has been set up for all those who have a gripe complaint or just wants to piss and moan about somthing. This Forum is not Moderated and Flaming is Allowed. I ask that it is kept in an Adult Manner. The intent of this forum is to keep all the name calling and disruptive posts off of the normal forums so that the information posted in them may be of some use to the people visiting them. LOL! Thats a good one..... | |||
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Interesting fact - OpenedEyes (who posted this: http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=35;t=000876#000001) and now opened a new forum is none other than Matt Graham. Considering GB's opinion of Mike, the above message was possibly less than objective. I'm guessing y'all had enough trouble with the system at GB that you are building a new forum? I've noticed several links dead over there. Anyway, y'all take care now. Steve | |||
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quote:Now we wonder who the REAL RAT was causing Jules the trouble??.........lol....Amazing BS forums Fireball ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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Well Number one Yes I am Matt. And I could give less than a damn about Jules or JD. Dont know any of them never talked to any of them. I have started this on my own due to the way all the other system are run and I just personaly do not share the same views. I personaly am not a big gun nut. I dont have time to be. Do I own guns? Yep you darn tooten I do. Do I shoot? Yep when I can. If any of you will think about it can any of you ever remember me posting on GBO about anything other than the site itself? NO YOU CANT CAUSE I HAVENT. I do not participate in the discussions. I simple make everything work. As for my post to Mike, I was merly making an observation as to what he was implying here ---------------------------------------------- Note also that this site links to www.wcforshee.com where he claims the trigger job info is his. ---------------------------------------------- I viewed the website that Mike posted and I did not see anywhere that the guy was tring to take credit for Mikes Information. I did not come back and post a bunch of replies to mikes post as their was no need for it I said what I had to say and that was it. If half of you would do the same then all the time that is wasted on those posts could be put towards posts that help others and that others like my self can learn from, instead people seem to always have to have last word, not me I could care less who gets the last word in, I say my peace and move on. I think we all know that it was Mike's information and I do agree with him that He should have gotten credit for it. I also can see the other guys point that he done the work to make the CD's and it was his right to give it away if he sees fit to. Now if Mike has a Copyright on this information then Mike Has one hell of a case. If not then Chalk it up as a learning experience and go on. All I see is a bunch of people that have forgotten what the hell this is all about, and that is Sharing Knowledge to help further the sport. If you have a problem with someone Address that problem with that person and settle it. Dont piss moan and whine about it and keep shit stirred up. I personaly can not stand reading posts that have absolutly no educational value to me. I read these post to learn not to find out who is mad at who, cause I dont care, chances are I will never meet any of you in real life. If I do then I will shake you hand and tell you Nice to meet you just like I do every day to the people I do meet. But I promise you I will not ask you if you are still mad at Billy BoB cause I dont care. Who ever you like dislike that is your business and not mine. I do how ever strongly beleave in letting people voice their own ideas thoughts and opinions, If they are not the same as mine then so be it I dont try to force mine on you, dont force yours on me. I respect the fact that you are entitled to yours, so respect the fact that I am entitled to mine. All I am tring to do is help by offering a place to share information thats all if you do not wish to use it that is your right and I respect that. If the New forums I have setup do not get used I will close the site, nothing lost. I just think that it is very silly of someone to say Oh that is GB's son so he must hate Mike Bellm.... cause guess what You are dead fucking wrong I am a 30 year old man I have my own opinions, thoughts and Idea's. I personaly think that Mike is a very knowledgable person and has alot to offer to the people that read the information that he provides, I also think that GB is a very knowledlable person who also has lots of good information to share. I do not Judge anyone based on something someone tells me. I base it on what I see for myself. I also do not pass judgement on someone just because we dont agree on an issue or idea. And I think that is is very silly and childish to do so. I dont follow the crowd just so I can fit in, I am an Individual and I am Damn Proud of it, so is everyone else and they should be too. And no GB has nothing to do with single-shot-forums.com, as a matter of fact I have not even said anything to him about it. As Far as the forum software goes I personal have long been a fan of the Database Driven format that UBB Vbulletin and others use. The Software that I wrote for GBO was done so just for GBO. I have sold it to many other sites that use it today. I support it because it is my work, every line of code I typed myself and for over five years I have been tring to make it better and to make it work for all that uses it. Yes the format is outdated but hey that is what GB wants and he has every right to use that format, if you dont like it DONT USE IT, damn I mean what is the big deal. I think all this shit is childish as hell on everyones part. So If you want to judge me based on the Fact I am GB's Son then by all means do so, but I promise you I will lay down tonight and sleep just as I do every night. I dont give a damn. If you want to use the forums I have set up then by all means Feel free to do so and I promise you this, I will do everything I possibly can to make sure that those that do use it are given their freedom to voice their thoughts, ideas, complaints and praise. I will also make sure that those of us who read these post to learn can. If you have a problem with that then Oh Well get over it. Knowledge is Power, Share It. Matt Graham, Graybeard (Bill Graham's Son) Get Over It. [ 08-30-2002, 10:01: Message edited by: OpenedEyes ] | ||
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quote:If OpenedEyes is truly Matt Graham, then perhaps he should go by ClosedMind. Who was it in a private email who said he would not let GBO go the way it was going when Daddy nixed me from the forum? Then when questioned on it, never responded? How 'bout it Matt? Go back to the cesspool. No water at the spring here for you, at least not from me. Mike | |||
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Matt, baby... Please - no offense. Just felt like you were kind of hiding there and didn't like that. Don't know anything about the software - do know that even the best software (Linux would be a good example) has problems. Sometimes you just have to move on to the next killer app. Nothing personal. And, while we're at it, I don't care who has the last word either. And I do like some of the arguing that goes on. Funny the little nuggets that come out during those threads. I think you may have said it; if you don't like the arguing in a thread, just don't read it. I do get ticked when someone attacks a friend. No inference that you did that, but Mike does seem to have a target tattooed to his butt. Mike is a heck of a guy. His plain talking does seem to cause a problem once in a while, but is an excellent example of the internet not letting you see the real person. I believe this is the longest message I�ve ever written. If you have any other questions, please feel free to post it here or send me an email direct - steve@1cox.com steve | |||
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I do get ticked when someone attacks a friend. No inference that you did that, but Mike does seem to have a target tattooed to his butt. Mike is a heck of a guy. His plain talking does seem to cause a problem once in a while, but is an excellent example of the internet not letting you see the real person. Ya when Karen and I met Mike this past spring the first thing I noticed was that big target and I immediatly started shooting at it, verbally that is. I don't think I hit him once as he can take it,stir it up a bit and shoot it right back. Heck I had to try stealing one of his bbls. to get even the slightest rise out of him. ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} Wes | |||
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Why or how you noticed the tatoo on his butt just plain scares me. ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} steve | |||
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Well thats a whole nother story But he was trying to show us what the inside of a factory bbl. looked like. LOL Wes | |||
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KTS1, Though I count him a dear friend, I have no inclinations to see the Heretic's posterior artwork, and you have forever scarred my mind's eye at the mere hint of such! Matt, Interesting to see you posting here. I do not know how your new forums will go over with the readership here; especially given the personal history many here have with your father and your father's forums [I suspect that there may well be sufficient unrelated and uninvolved readership to keep such a site active] Right or wrong, family ties and reputation are indeed difficult to overcome. It will be interesting to see what may transpire. Ahh well. Too bad how things worked out for many of us over at GBO. I had several enjoyable years posting there, and regretted having to leave and to see the forums transform into what they have become. From my perspective, the first year and a half were amongst the best, and such times culminating in Mike's involvement in the discussions were what I will remember as GBO's "Golden" era. Now what follows is simply a suggestion from myself to you: It would perhaps be a bit easier for some of us to interact with you here or elsewhere, if you could clearly articulate for us the �what and why� of what went between yourself, Mike, and GB at the time of Mike�s expulsion from GBO, as at least from one perspective [Mike] there is a bit of unfinished business and misunderstanding that needs your attention. You may not think it anyone else�s business, but such things do speak volumes of an individual�s ethics and morality, and are not simply neutral territory. A statement from you concerning why you never returned Mike's e-mails and what happened at your end of things would be helpful to many who were confused and bewildered at what exactly happened to set events in motion those many months ago. I was there, WELL REMEMBER each and every post between your father and Mike, and looking back, feel things were amiss and that more was taking place behind the scenes than met the eye. For my own perspective, Mike was right. He may be rough around the edges in terms of his self-expression, but that is simply part of what makes him who he is. Mike has since become my friend, and so what has happened to him impacts decisions I make regarding trust and interpersonal relationships [and I suspect for others as well] and thus such a discussion is perhaps appropriate and helpful both to us and to yourself, to air out the laundry and lay speculation to rest. Again, just a suggestion, and you may take it or leave it as you please. That is about all I have to say regarding past events. Curious to know: what kind of shooting do you enjoy? I had the impression from long ago at GBO that you did not really get too personally involved into the shooting sports, and I am glad to learn otherwise! You stated that you are not really into the big guns [neither am I] - does this mean that you enjoy the small bore stuff? If so, I can well appreciate the enthusiasm that such a niche of the shooting sports engenders, and have personally vastly enjoyed the Varminting that I have been privileged to do with the small bores and rimfires. [ 08-31-2002, 00:03: Message edited by: Sean HHI #7364 ] | |||
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Matt I think you would have a much better chance getting us to visit and participate at your site if you start off by banning Graybeard!!! In all seriousness, why, exactly, do you want to start another site? It's obvious this is the best site available at this time.......if you really do want to learn you can just stay here...... so.........what's in it for you???? [ 08-31-2002, 00:19: Message edited by: GonHuntin ] | |||
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See.....I'm just sittin back Quiet ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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Folks, Had a nice conversation w/ Matt off line. I say that we give him the benifit of the doubt in re: to his linage. However, I too, wonder what went on between Matt and Mike, and would like to hear what Matt has to say about it. Jules, sittin back bein quite??? Has the sun gone dark? steve [ 08-31-2002, 00:46: Message edited by: 1buba ] | |||
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Sean, let me see if I can shed a little light on this for you and all that would like to read this post. To begin with lets address the Mike issue, It is true that I never responded back to Mikes email in regards to him getting kicked from GBO. I made it known to both GB, and Mike that I did not agree with the way things were handled and that it should have never went as far as it did. I did not want to see Mike go but in the end there was nothing I could do about it. GB decided and that was that. Now I could have pissed moaned and complained about the fact but what would that have done other than cause more problems over something that was simply childish to begin with, and I mean childish on both parties not just one. Yeah I could have just up and quit working on GBO, but that too would have caused problems, and also went against everything I believe in, i.e. "everyone has the right to their own opinions". But just for the record GBO did not suffer from Mike leaving the site, the only ones that suffered was the people that had to see all that bickering. GBO still gets over 500k hits a week and is starting to grow again. getting closer to 600k a week every week. So in the end who lost ? Everyone that was there to gain Knowledge. I did not agree with Mike being kicked from the site as he was a contributing member to the site and shared a wealth of information, I could however see GB.s point that Mike did bad mouth the others on a regular basis, and that some of the people was the ones that paid the bills at GBO, that is not to say that Mike should not have been allowed to voice his opinion, but it should have been handled in a professional manner. This was the reason he was kicked from the site and I respected that, did not say I agreed with it but did respect it. GB and Mike both are so hard headed that once you have pissed them off there is just no going back. I don't quite understand this mentality but hey, it is their right, so I just shut my mouth and went about doing my job. I never got back with Mike because even after all was said and done he continued to argue with GB over this point, why? what did it accomplish, absolutely nothing. This is why I decided that I would just let the two of them do as they wished without me adding to it, as they did not need nor want to hear my views on the matter. I have said it many times to many people I have my own opinions and you do too. I will not push mine, don't push yours. If we don't see eye to eye then that is fine, that is what makes us each different. I am a business professional, I deal with Doctors and lawyers and other business professionals every day, I have disagreements with them but we handle it in a business manner, if we cant then we stop doing business with each other. I like to think that most things in life can be settled this way and see no reason to continue to argue when it is plain to see that one side will never give in to the other or even compromise with the other. This mentality is childish and I want no part of it. GBO belongs to GB, it is his website, I maintain it for him as I have done from day one. I will continue to do so until such time as he decides to close it. But that does not mean that I will always agree with him. But just because I don't agree with him does not mean that I will not do work on his site. Not only is he my dad he is also my friend, but that don't mean that I always agree with him or just because he is mad at someone I will be mad at them too. And further more if he was ever to get pissed at me for not being mad at someone that he was mad at then that my friends would be the day that he would become only my dad. I guess what I wish all of you could understand is that everyone is different and everyone is their own person, with their own views. This is what makes us who we are, and I think that the whole "Oh he is my friend so it don't matter if he is right or wrong " is just idiotic. Have your own opinions and don't let your friend cloud your judgment, make your own mind up for yourself. If you decide that your friend is right then hey great, but do it because you sat down and thought about it and in your mind it is the logical decision, not because it is everyone else's decision. But now that I have said my peace on the matter, I would like you all to understand that I have no hard feeling towards anyone here or at GBO, I am simply me, and I just love to learn. As far as the type of shooting I enjoy, well I don't have a real favorite I personal used to be big on silhouette competition shooting but have not had time to in so many years I have don't forgot what it was like, I just like guns, shooting , seeing that hole show up right where I wanted it to, and being able to do so. I don't have the time to get involved as all of you but that don't mean I don't enjoy learning from all of you Here and at GBO , HIS, and all the other sites out there. I do not try to jump in and talk a lot I more or less just sit back and learn, but rest assured if I have something to say I will, If I have a question I will ask, If I don't understand something I will ask for clarification. Otherwise I just enjoy the learning experience. And in regards to what I am getting out of all of it, Knowledge, that is what I get out of it. I don't do it for money as I make plenty of that at my real job. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt | ||
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quote:Now as I understand this....you ARE NOT a big gun fan..was that right??? And you are NOT doing this for the money???? So why are you really doing this??? You have NO NEED for Knowledge about TC products........your Dad has versed you well in WHY Full Length sizing is Just SOme BS from the devil.......and how SSK is the only barrel on the market worth anything...And how Mike Bellm is SATAN..comunisum and Liberalism all rolled up in one ....funny thing you doing this.........yup people will read and respond to your forum......and BASH the hell out of it... if it turns out you and DAD are one in the same. Time will tell..what will be your policy when you are Disagreed with??? BANNING the person??? You have no reason to hear people talk about TCs. This next couple of months should be Very interesting.....and if you are for real...you just might have something......Ofcourse Now the BIG catfish will ban me on GB's..but if he does..SO #$%^& WHAT!! these are forums.....news groups...OPINIONS along with learning and Bashing are part of them. KNOWLEDGE is not POWER if it is WRONG Poor or BS facts hurt people..send newbies up the creek without a paddle...real knowledge on TC's comes from the Custom barrel makers and the Custom chamber Machinist's who learn the product and have to live with the results...NOT some ASS wipe playing god just to feel like the BIG man on the block. What we need is More Mike Bellms......Dave Vanhorns....and yes even Fred from Bullberry....(SORRY MIKE no flame intended)to get on the forums and help EVERYONE including the Newbie to makle his TC more accurate and more fun to shoot So if you are NOT in this for the money.the i guess you will INVITE..... FRED from Bullberry.....VV...DAVE Vanhorn....and MIKE BELLM to get involved with Sharing their VERY real and powerful Knowledge.......right??? If you are for real......thanks Matt Stink Bait gets the buguns I tell you Fireball | ||
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Fireball, First off how would you know what I was "versed in", YOU DO NOT. Secondly, Who are you to say I have no use for TC information, hmm do not think you would know what I have use for. Thirdly, I dont care if you do Bash me or my forums, because I think that there are enough people here that share at least some of my views and would be happy to help me learn. Fourthly, everyone is allowed and welcome at my site. And no there will not be any banning of you nor anyone else for bashing me or my site, just kinda shows how childish and immature you really are, so why would you be banned for that, after all you cant help it, can you? Matt | ||
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quote:I personaly am not a big gun nut. .....your quote!! You sound like GB. Your words have the same aroma You answered None of the questions in a manor which would say you and your forum will be different other than The BAnning part.....You cannot tell use why you are really doing this.....KNowledge about TC ....."IF" you wish to gain more you may get from GB's site Directly from the GOD of TC himself...Right??? Weird you suddenly wish to become freinds with the ones who blew out of GB. SO IF you are not doing this for the old Man.....then please fill us all in......Knowledge is not part of your quest in this forum...at least not with TC's you sound awful argumentative for someone JUST LOOKING for more knowledge....which by most of your posts you seem to Portray that you may be a CUT above the rest of us already.....So not a big gun nut.....not a TC nut....why are you here??? what are you offering???? Has Mike Bellm been INVITED to come on in and verse us all in the art of fireforming??? or Sizing for your TC? you can gain KNowledge by lurking like the OLD man does. you Are NOT in it for the money......Might buy that one......so what is it? do your really just wish to have a fun filled forum for normal people to learn from???...You got GB's By the way who are the planned sponsors for your forum? Fireball.... | ||
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Matt You still haven't really explained why you want another forum??? You say it's to share info and learn.....isn't that what this forum is for? If that is really what you are looking for, why not just provide input and participate here instead of trying to dilute the content by spreading it around to other forums??? What could your forum offer that can't be had here???? Why not just make this one better instead of adding another??? I, for one, would REALLY like to know your true motive for starting another forum! ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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quote:GonHuntin.....I agree...but he will just not answer with out a Argument or Skirting the issue....he is NOT doing this for KNOWLEDGE....he seem to portrayhe is much SMARTER than most of us already.....Sorry I think it has something to do with the Big Catfish Oh did I get the handle right???......lol Furball ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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quote:Think you hit the NAIL on the head.....BUBBA fireball | ||
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Do you have any plans to make it a commercial site once you get more traffic? What does "most of the forums are moderated(very liberal though)" mean exactly? If you look up the meaning of liberal, this would mean that the forums are heavily moderated. Ie, the dish was heaped liberally with cabbage. I have no criticism of a new forum, if its a good one, it'll grow, if not, it'll die. All the successful forums have had little to no moderation. The trolls will rile up the regulars, but it's the heavy handed moderators that killed the Campfire, Huntamerica and GBO forums IMHO. | |||
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Mark, Ok fair question, why did I start another forum site? I stated before that I do not agree with the way most of the sites are run, including GBO and This one. example, at GBO there is really no place for the readers to blow off steam and speak what ever may be on their mind using any language that they might see fit, number one I have a totally different belief system than most, most things that people would get a not so nice email for saying in the public forum does not bother me. Here anything is allowed in the forums but the only problem is that you have to scan through the posts to find the ones with some real information in them. So I started mine giving a place to vent and say what ever it is that is on your mind NO MATTER WHAT don't matter say I don't care. But I ask that the normal forums be used to share information that will be of use to others and not the BS. Granted there is some good information that comes out in the BS posts but not often. Sponsors ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I do not need sponsors nor do I need any one else's money I have plenty of my own and will not need to sell advertisements, I own my servers there mine I have unlimited bandwidth so that is not a problem. Another reason for me opening my own is because I have helped develop several search engines , so I know how they work and can take full advantage of this, how do you think GBO got so big so fast. And as far as making this one better, well I have no way of doing that, I unlike what fireball seems to think am not very knowledgeable or versed on TCs hence the reason I read the posts about them. I do not think I am smarter than the rest of you here at least not about the subject matter here, hence the reason I really have nothing to offer on the subject as I am still learning. I can say that I can make a computer and software do things that most of you have only seen in movies, This is where I am able to offer something to you all. I can get the traffic to the site, but I can not keep it there, that is where having the experts such as yourselves comes in. I am simply trying to do something a little different and see if it works. I am not "diluting" the system as you put it, if you will go to my site you will find links to other sites that I think have much to offer readers. If anything I am adding more content by offering things that others do not. If that is so wrong then sorry about that but I do not see it that way. And as far as the operations of the site, It is a Public Forum, I am simply a moderator and not even really in the since that I will delete posts, but more that I will make sure the site stays up and running. I for one do not have time to read every post as they are made and it could be days before I read one, but I will read all that seems interesting to me. Fireball: As far as being "argumentive" Ha yeah ok that is why I keep saying every one has the right to there opinion and should have the right to voice it. hmmm very "argumentive". Look I come over here and you guys automatically assume that I want to cause trouble, well you are very wrong but if that is what you think then hey, do not use my forums, do not visit my site, stay here and life will go on. I invited everyone, not just a select group to come over and use the forums I set up, I do not recall any where in my post as saying every one but So and So come on over, nope did not say that. So, for what it is worth, I would be honored to have VV, Bellm, Fred and Vanhorn to visit the site. I think that anyone with the knowledge of these fellows would be nice addition. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt | ||
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Paul, to answer your questions. a) No I will not make it commercial I do not want that because then we would get to the same point that the other sites have gotten IMHO, I do not need the money from advertisers to run the site. I own a Networking and Internet Technology company, we have our own servers and our business customers pay for them. And as for the Moderating of the forums I did select the wrong choice of words and I see were that could be misleading. I should have said, and quote me on this one. "I will not Delete Post that I do not agree with, I will not ban anyone for voicing an opinion. Hacking attempts, or malicious things such as that are all that would get a person banned. Speaking your mind, standing up for what you think is right will not ever get anyone banned." I hope that this answers some questions if not feel free to point out the ones I missed and I will be glad to address them. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt | ||
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Matt Please understand, I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to understand why you are doing what you are doing........ I understand that you want your forums to be different than GBO or this one, I understand that you want more content and less BS, I understand that you don't need the cash that forum sponsors can bring in....... What I don't understand is why you are doing it? Let me explain.......you tell us you are not a "gun nut" and you don't seem overly interested in firearms....... but you spend the time effort and expense to build a forum and maintain it.......for what reason????? Like I said before, if you just want to learn, you can do that here.......sure, some threads get carried away.....but there is a lot of good info in between the crazy stuff! I believe, if you stuck around awhile, you could learn everything you want to learn right here....... So, it seems strange to go to the trouble to build another forum...........unless there is another reason....... Maybe you build forums as a hobby, maybe you just enjoy playing with code, maybe you are just bored......that's what I'm asking and I'm not trying to give you a hard time........ Due to our history with GBO, many of us are gun shy of GB and, by association, of you too! Right or wrong, that is to be expected, and, fair or not, you are going to have to prove yourself to us......words are not proof, actions are. Some of us will be very hard to convince......... So, back to my question....... Why do you want to build and run another "single shot" forum? | |||
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Jules, Glad to see you jumping in. As to your questions I am simply trying to make the point that I do not need money and that is not the motivation for this, sorry if I was a little snide about it. Mark, ok let me try this again, I think I may have misunderstood you at first. I am doing this to simply give people another place to post. Yes I do this for a living and enjoy it. I set this type of sites up every day and it cost nothing to do, so why not do it for something I have some interest in. Please understand that just because I am not a "Gun Nut" does not mean that I am not interested in learning. As far as the effort to make the site it took me all of 15 minutes to build and have the forums running. As far as maintaining it, I had planned on seeing who was going to be the most active and letting those people be the administrators. You were one of the people that I had planned on offering this to, as I know that you are fairly level headed. I understand that all of you seem to hold a grudge against me because I am GB's son. Well that is fine I can understand this but think that it is unwarranted. But as someone said time will tell and I think that all of you will see that I am not doing this for any other reason than trying to contribute to the sport in the only way that I can at this time. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt [ 08-31-2002, 06:38: Message edited by: OpenedEyes ] | ||
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Matt, I dont really care who you are. If your motives are less than honorable, the forum will not survive as you well know. If you start pullin my posts because i provide a link to another board or threaten me because i do the same, i will stop visiting..... I am not saying that you havent already addressed this topic but just some clarification on why some boards arent being visited anymore. I have posted there and will say that it appears that the forum is wider than a "normal page" display. Can you adjust this? | |||
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Matt, Have you offered this to the folks on GBO? Not that it matters to me. I didn't leave GBO because of the Bellm-GB thing. I left because I didn't want to fart in someones living room....If you know what I mean. | |||
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quote:I know that what you say is true that is why I stated time will tell. The site is design to run at 800x600 screen resolution, if you are running 640x480 then you will have to scroll left to right, this is beyond my control as this is how the software is setup. Most new computers (All with XP) run at 800x600, I run linux at 1024x768 so I dont see the scroll bars. If you have a newer computer, or if you have a big monitor (17' or higher) I can tell you how to change your resolution if you email me. As for the link question, No I will not delete posts for this and i will probably not delete post at all, I have a forum setup for links to other sites. If you post them in your messages that is fine with me too as this is one way that we can share information. Jules, Nope have not offered it over there, I have my own reasons for that and I would rather not advertise my site over there as that would cause problems between my dad and I and I would rather not do that, he knows that I have set this site up and I dont think he will visit it much but if he does he will have the same rights as everyone else but no more. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt [ 08-31-2002, 07:09: Message edited by: OpenedEyes ] | ||
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quote:Me, level headed....now I KNOW you are delusional!!! quote:In my case, it's not a grudge, it's more of a suspicion.......maybe not fair.....but that's the honest truth.......You and I have had our differences but nothing too drastic.......more of a difference of opinion than anything...... | |||
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Thanks for the adjustment on the display width..... | |||
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Jules, Nope have not offered it over there, I have my own reasons for that and I would rather not advertise my site over there as that would cause problems between my dad and I and I would rather not do that, he knows that I have set this site up and I dont think he will visit it much but if he does he will have the same rights as everyone else but no more. Knowledge Is Power, Share It. Matt[/QB][/QUOTE] I understand but,you don't think that someone on here that post there also is not going to bring this up. And you can't tell me that your father don't read these post over here. | |||
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quote:Matt, I'll address this particular portion of what you wrote because clarity on this point [I believe] is important: "Oh he is my friend so it don't matter if he is right or wrong " had nothing to do with my decisions to leave GBO. As I posted, the chronology of my friendship with Mike actually mostly took place AFTER his parting of the ways with your father. I only spoke to him by phone the first time AFTER that time, to let him know what I thought of the entire incident, and yes to tell him where I thought he made some mistakes as well [Mike can of course verify this if need be]. Had I the mentality of which you write, I'd just simply said to myself "Oh he is my friend so it don't matter if he is right or wrong" and have sided with your **father** at the time, because up until the incident with Mike, I counted him as a friend as well and knew him both longer and more personally that I did Mike. It was only when your dad could no longer tolerate my open and public friendship with BOTH, and expressed such dismay by attacking my postings at GBO which positively mentioned Mike and his work by name, that I made the decision to keep friendship with the man who ACTUALLY DID NOT make the issue a divisive one, and that is Mike Bellm. Mike never encouraged me to leave GBO: he actually thought I should stay due to my personal history with your father. The decision to go elsewhare was solely my own. It was because I believed him to be right that I made telephone contact at that point, and our friendship has grown from that time to this, and I now count Mike to be one of my best friends. This of course means that I give him the benefit of the doubt with subsequent issues that come up, not that "it don't matter if he is right or wrong" as to whether I support his position on a particular issue. This is a carefull distinction that must be grasped in order to appreciate the dynamics of such a friendship: not wholesale acceptance of any view or behavior come what may, but rather an appreciation of a certain level of like-mindedness that tells me how he is thinking in a given situation and a predictability of reaction that causes me to extend to him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Now, along with Mark, I was curious to understand your motivations for creating another single shot/handgun oriented forum. As most of us are very happy here, and such a forum as you have innitiated basically duplicates efforts here, I am not certain you will accomplish anything there there that is lacking here. Your father's site is different enough from this one that those so inclined to his way of thinking may chose GBO over this site as there are distinctives that make each site very different from one another, but to duplicate efforts here? Well, it will be interesting to see how such plays out. As has been pointed out, your "quest for knowledge" may be fullfilled here and elsewhere which already exist, so your full motivation for such a forum still escapes me. Ahhh well, it is not that important. [ 08-31-2002, 07:58: Message edited by: Sean HHI #7364 ] | |||
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Matt - You must understand that there's ample reason for people around here to be suspicious of anybody so closely associated with GBO. Not that GBO isn't a cool thing - just that somebody's "management" of their electronic living room overshadowed everything to the point where it was NO FUN ANYMORE. Personally, I don't see a big need for another forum as all the best single shot people are already here. And a dedicated area for bitching and moaning is kinda like going out in the parking lot to scream if you know what I mean - anybody could do it but who would actually want to? I will give your new forum a look though, just to be polite if nothing else. If you want to hang out here, on the other hand, and are on the up and up, you're perfectly welcome as far as I'm concerned. I do appreciate people who are willing to stick up for themselves, and for their old man, even if the old man has a totally unnecessary tendency to act like a jerk... Mark Dumais | |||
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Sean - I thank you for the paragraph on like mindedness. I wish I would have been so eloquent in my off line communication w/ Matt. You are truly a scholar and a gentleman. steve | |||
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You guys are puttin' me to sleep! Anybody wanna talk about guns? | |||
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quote:MARK, YES, I AM SCREAMING! That's the best laugh I have had in a lllllooooong time! Inspite of all that transpired, I still think ole GB is a heck of a guy. I gotta love him on the one hand, but I'd still like to shake him on the ohter. IF I could just spend some time with him and SHOW him things so he could understand what I am saying, it migh change his perspective a bit, even if it didn't effect his sponsorship. I will be the first to admit that new concepts are really difficult to understand if you cannot SEE it. And one of the biggest problems is not being able to understand what you are seeing in the first place. A little help along the way makes a big difference. So on the one hand I sympathize with ole GB and understand his protecting the interests of his other higher paying sponsors, BUT, one of my addages is: If the TRUTH isn't good enough, what is? Anything else is a lie, and there is a lot of this untruth/myth/and outright lie that permeates our understanding of our sport. Not being open to other concepts is where I take exception to GB, but he is still one helluva guy, you have to admit. Hey, he shoots TCs, so he can't be ALL bad. Mike | |||
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