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Mike Bellm
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Hey, fellas.
Let's take a look at Matt in a little different light.

Face it, he has done some fantastic work on the GBO site from the scant knowledge I have of puters. I am impressed. Matt COULD do wonders for the TC world, IF he follows a different tack than the Old Man.

My question is this. Matt, where in the hell were you when the rift with GB took place and you would not respond after saying in one email that you would not let things go the way they were going? Raises a problem of reliability.

Frankly, I would like to make something more of my site, much more, and 1buba has done a fantastic job with it in the short time he has had since "pulling my fat from the fire." I would like to see something much better than even this forum. And I am open to contributions from others in the trade so long as they are contributions and not hot air.

We have only started with what can be done. 1buba has made it possible for me to resume posting and getting involved again. The potential exists for more.

You could make a major contribution to TCs, so now the question, I think, is not so much what your lineage is, but what you yourself are made of.

Mike
 
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small fish
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The reason I KNOW I don't like GBO is because I've BEEN THERE and I learn through experience.The only way a person can get a bad taste in thier mouth is to taste something.I've smelled it too and boy it stinks to high heaven.I can only offer that Matt seems to want to start a new forum and he is to be commended for that.I can't see having too many T/C related forums.If you don't like one of them,then leave.It's simple.If he starts to kick people out unfoundedly,then he will be treated the same as his dad and no-one will go thier anymore.I personally don't know who GBO's sponsors are because I block ALL ads from my view.I look forward to the new forum.

[ 09-01-2002, 23:13: Message edited by: small fish ]
 
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Originally posted by small fish:
The reason I KNOW I don't like GBO is because I've BEEN THERE and I learn through experience.The only way a person can get a bad taste in thier mouth is to taste something.I've smelled it too and boy it stinks to high heaven.I can only offer that Matt seems to want to start a new forum and he is to be commended for that.I can't see having too many T/C related forums.If you don't like one of them,then leave.It's simple.If he starts to kick people out unfoundedly,then he will be treated the same as his dad and no-one will go thier anymore.I personally don't know who GBO's sponsors are because I block ALL ads from my view.I look forward to the new forum.
Small fish........Matts words smell like the old man.....you like graybeards forum..as a frequent poster you enjoy the format their. I have NO need for a new forum as run by the Graybeards...the God like attitude is still present in Matts expressions.........and he REFUSES to answer why he is doing it...he is NOT a Gun Not per his words....he has MORE money then God himself...so whats up??? ...........DADDY needs retirement funds??.....you will NOT find Better or MORE up to date Information anywhere but on this forum....so a new forum is just to help line the GB's pockets and here how they are GOD..how it is THEIR forum and we will adapt or will be free to leave.........Its all BS and time will show it.

funny....GB loved to point out how it was HIS club and he did not need the Posters......how they get so Damn many hits....but the Sponser could CARE LESS about hits!!! they want participation...that sells product!!.......they are wrong and always will be!! The forum belongs to the Members!!! without them you have NOTHING......no sponsors........no moneys no nothing..my guess is GB is in danger of losing sponsers and moneys...so a new IMPROVED forum is what they are trying...........Sorry I like this forum...maybe you might go stay with the GB's.......I stay here.

Fireball [Big Grin]
 
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Mark Dumais
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Fireball -

Perhaps you are a better judge of online character than I, but frankly I think everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate that they don't. We wouldn't want to get like the pond over here.

Mark Dumais
 
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Fireball,I've read your posts and(don't get offended)I don't agree with many of your posts.I still will read them,but you seem to go off at the slightest whim.You claim to know alot about alot,and that's fine,but it is not carved in STONE.You claim that there isn't a hammer block on an Encore.I've a breakdown of one in front of me that shows it physically.Now,if I were to believe everything I read,than an Encore wouldn't have a hammer block now would it.It certainly DOES!That's the beauty of these forums.I don't have to agree with you,or you me.That's what discussions are all about.You say a 2 oz. trigger is fine for a hunting rifle,I say NO WAY(read-NO WAY).Same thing there.The true beauty is that posters can type till the ends of thier fingers fall off and I still know what I believe.BTW,a 2 oz. trigger on an Encore probably won't have a hammer block because on such a light trigger it has been defeated.You're right again Fireball [Eek!]
 
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Matt, I looked at your site and even registered over there. I think it looks good and certainly has some potential. I personally think you deserve a chance. I tend to make my decisions about people by what they do in life. Not there friends or relatives. If everyone was judged by what there parents or other relatives did we would ALL be in a lot of trouble.

There is no question you will have an up hill battle getting this one off the ground. History like relatives seem to follow a person every where in life. However life just isn't interesting without challenges now is it.

Good luck !!!

[ 09-02-2002, 00:34: Message edited by: Fisher ]
 
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Fireball,I've read your posts and(don't get offended)I don't agree with many of your posts.I still will read them,but you seem to go off at the slightest whim.You claim to know alot about alot,and that's fine,but it is not carved in STONE.You claim that there isn't a hammer block on an Encore.I've a breakdown of one in front of me that shows it physically.Now,if I were to believe everything I read,than an Encore wouldn't have a hammer block now would it.It certainly DOES!That's the beauty of these forums.I don't have to agree with you,or you me.That's what discussions are all about.You say a 2 oz. trigger is fine for a hunting rifle,I say NO WAY(read-NO WAY).Same thing there.The true beauty is that posters can type till the ends of thier fingers fall off and I still know what I believe.BTW,a 2 oz. trigger on an Encore probably won't have a hammer block because on such a light trigger it has been defeated.You're right again Fireball [Eek!]
Small fish disagreeing is ok....You may be in LOVE with the GB's....I am Not..but you now as on the pond are one of the Foolish ones who send people up crap creek with no paddle......I assume that you think Mike Bellm was full of it too when you say the Encore has a Hammer blocK?.......As TC said in their own Words.....Our ENCORE has NO hammer block.....why bring up old crap you were wrong about to begin with?? but then you beleived that full sizing your TC cases were a waste...But as I remeber you were ratted out as bieng A Graybead "want to be"...lol.....get real...as for hammer blocks....Encores DO NOT HAVE them.and Light triggers are safe....Unsafe people who rest their fingers on the trigger should not own guns or give advice on them.....maybe you like the cess pool>>> fine....

Fireball [Roll Eyes]
 
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Fireball,I've read your posts and(don't get offended)I don't agree with many of your posts.I still will read them,but you seem to go off at the slightest whim.You claim to know alot about alot,and that's fine,but it is not carved in STONE.You claim that there isn't a hammer block on an Encore.I've a breakdown of one in front of me that shows it physically.Now,if I were to believe everything I read,than an Encore wouldn't have a hammer block now would it.It certainly DOES!That's the beauty of these forums.I don't have to agree with you,or you me.That's what discussions are all about.You say a 2 oz. trigger is fine for a hunting rifle,I say NO WAY(read-NO WAY).Same thing there.The true beauty is that posters can type till the ends of thier fingers fall off and I still know what I believe.BTW,a 2 oz. trigger on an Encore probably won't have a hammer block because on such a light trigger it has been defeated.You're right again Fireball [Eek!]
You claim that there isn't a hammer block on an Encore.I've a breakdown of one in front of me that shows it physically.Now,if I were to believe everything I read,than an Encore wouldn't have a hammer block now would it.

You need glasses......But guess what?? you win...I just have no reason to watch people like you feed newbies a line dangerous line of crap. Their is NO hammer block...but you know better than TC and Bellm and SSK...As I said before..thoses were not my words but the words of TC.......It was the real reason that Encores as Pistols cannot be sold in California...Not the money..but that they WILL NOT pass the drop test. But as I said Ok you win.....and As for Matt...he is just Graybeard opening a new forum which all have the right to veiw and post on.....Funny Graybeard made a post about you..............wishing you would leave the forum...Like I said..you win buddie

bye [Razz]
 
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In every family there are relatives that their kin would prefer not to be associated with or be held accountable for. If you do not see that in your own family . . . . at your last reunion did you happen to notice any of your relatives avoiding you? [Eek!] Just something to think about. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
Now, anybody here shoot a T/C?
Mike (mbk)
 
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small fish
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I don't want to attack anyone here,but Fireball,in all seriousness,do you have a current girlfriend?I'll bet not.You go off the handle WAY too quick,put your tail between your legs and run scared at the mere thought of being wrong.Sorry pal,I've a 209x50 manual in front of me describing EXACTLY where it is,what it is,and how it works.Mike even states on his CD that below a 1.5lb pull,it is "iffy" that the hammer block would work as intended.I would not hunt with anyone who has a firearm that "probably will go off"upon being jolted or dropped by ACCIDENT.It unnerves me to see guys that don't have a clue posting here,or anywhere else.The lawyers are the reason for heavy trigger pulls.Let's not feed the fire by saying that a 2 oz. pull is SAFE for an Encore hunting rifle.You need to look up some references out of the Republik Of Kalifornia and get the real story.
 
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Ok.. NOW I'm interested. I can see not liking how some sites are run... "including this one." I wasn't under the impression it was "run" at all.

"If you've done things right, people will wonder if you've really done anything at all."
 
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small fish
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cas,I appologize.Perhaps "Fireball" would like to meet me over in the new forum so that he can hash it out.Seems like an idea to me.I don't think he will,but heh,can't hurt to try now can it.
 
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Mike Bellm
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Originally posted by small fish:
I don't want to attack anyone here,but Fireball,in all seriousness,do you have a current girlfriend?I'll bet not.You go off the handle WAY too quick,put your tail between your legs and run scared at the mere thought of being wrong.Sorry pal,I've a 209x50 manual in front of me describing EXACTLY where it is,what it is,and how it works.Mike even states on his CD that below a 1.5lb pull,it is "iffy" that the hammer block would work as intended.I would not hunt with anyone who has a firearm that "probably will go off"upon being jolted or dropped by ACCIDENT.It unnerves me to see guys that don't have a clue posting here,or anywhere else.The lawyers are the reason for heavy trigger pulls.Let's not feed the fire by saying that a 2 oz. pull is SAFE for an Encore hunting rifle.You need to look up some references out of the Republik Of Kalifornia and get the real story.
Whoa!
There is no hammer block in an Encore. The sear rebounds the hammer to what is analogous to a half cock, but there is no hammer block.

Too light tension on the sear will not rebound the hammer reliably, unless you shorten the hammer spring.

Unlike the Contender, the Encore does not have a hammer block in the same sense that the Contender does.

Argue away.

Mike
 
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Sorry Mike,I was just looking at the manual that came with my Encore and they show and refer to it as an Automatic Hammer Block.You referred to it as the Mystical Interlock.I stand corrected [Confused]
 
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Mike, You Got Mail [Smile]

Fireball, Think as you wish but I am not GB, my site is in no way affilated with GBO.

Knowledge Is Power, Share It.
Matt
 
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Thank You, to everyone that has registered and decided to give the new forums a chance, Make it what you wish as it was set up for everyone.

Enjoy.

Knowledge Is Power, Share It.
Matt
 
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Mike Bellm
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Sorry Mike,I was just looking at the manual that came with my Encore and they show and refer to it as an Automatic Hammer Block.You referred to it as the Mystical Interlock.I stand corrected [Confused]
Functionally, it blocks the hammer, yes, but it is actually the sear. The function is more like the half cock notch on older exposed hammer type guns. I have not seen TC's parts breakdown yet to see what they call what.

There is no separate hammer block in the Encore as their is in the Contender and many other more modern exposed hammer guns.

The interlock is entirely different and has a completely different function. The sear is prevented from rotating if the interlock is not pushed back by adequately engaged locking bolts.

Sorry for all the confusion. Main thing is to do the safety function checks, regardless of what is called what.

1) Can you readily push the hammer off from its cocked position? If you can, you have a potentially dangerous situation.

2) Does the hammer rebound off of the firing pin when you remove your finger from the trigger? If it doesn't you have a dangerous situation.

These are the two most important items, no matter what.

Mike
 
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small fish
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I have a Ruger GP100 that has a "Safety Transfer Bar".I know that the Encore has nothing physically in the way if the hammer/firing pin,like the Ruger does,but the Interlock you refer to sort of (tries to) act in the same manner.It is a safety feature and if the trigger is set too light,it will be disabled,rendering the safety feature useless.That is my understanding.

Fireball claims that no safety device is provided/needed on the Encore and that is simply not true.I have been round and round with him on this and he packs his stuff up and leaves before the "issue" is settled.On my particular trigger,I can really feel the device preventing the hammer from striking the firing pin.Mine works!
 
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