After e-mailing BATF and getting "we do not respond to questions involving technical and legal issues via e-mail. I suggest you contact our Firearms Technology Branch on 202-927-7910 for assistance." I called them. The deputy division chief for Firearms Technology, Doug Craize (not sure that's spelled correct), told me that they have no way of telling how a frame started life without contacting the manufacturer. They have no list of which frame is a rifle and which is a pistol when it comes to T/C's. And because they are all identical they would have to have another reason to even ask TC the question (i.e. they couldn't make the real reason they were at your house stick so they're looking for a weapons charge). HOWEVER, if the only parts you own could only be assembled into a short barreled rifle you are in violation. So make sure you own a long barrel if you own a shoulder stock and a frame, and don't put the short barrel on the frame until the pistol grip is on the frame. I contacted Tim at T/C and he said if you supplied him with the serial number of a frame, he could research it and let you know how it left the factory.
So for the paranoid out there that think the BATF might come knocking on their door, contact T/C and see if you have any rifle frames and make sure they stay that way. For the rest of us, just don't give the BATF a reason to ask the question.
MSSmagnum and GonHuntin - I humbly admit my error in challenging you . However I talked to the local ATF agent (ex-girlfriend of my best friend) and BATF is NOT using this as a primary violation, they lost the first Supreme Court case on T/C's and don't want to lose any more ground on the GCA and NFA by elevating this. Helicopter Bill "sea-lawyer"
Posts: 83 | Location: Mascoutah, IL | Registered: 02 January 2003
quote:Originally posted by MSSmagnum: Hi Bill, you werent challenging me as my original post was sarcastic!! You have CONFIRMED what i have been saying all along!! THANKS!!
Huh??? YOU...SARCASTIC?!?! Say it isn't so! I've been taking you literally all this time. That's why I have to cry myself to sleep every night!
Quite possibly the only thing that pains me more than your comments is knowing that you are right!! HA!
I couldn't resist this opportunity to reach out and smack ya around with a bit of sarcasm on my behalf...especially since I haven't been able to do it over Yahoo chat lately.
Posts: 391 | Location: Kansas | Registered: 12 March 2002
WAIT this cant be SO! I have an ongoing investigation.... or for a little more sarcasm on the same subject check my posts under the "How did you get started...." I crack myself up.....
Posts: 569 | Location: VA, USA | Registered: 22 January 2002
quote:Originally posted by B_Koes: I couldn't resist this opportunity to reach out and smack ya around with a bit of sarcasm on my behalf...especially since I haven't been able to do it over Yahoo chat lately.
I know ya love me an all but we still arent goin steady just cause you compliment me like that!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.
Mike
Posts: 243 | Location: Kansas, USA | Registered: 12 March 2002
Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.
Mike
.....and you call me a "plick"??
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.
Mike
Well, if that's the case, I've just changed my mind about the 30-06........if MSSMagnum agrees with me....then I must be wrong!
Posts: 1499 | Location: NE Okla | Registered: 22 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by GonHuntin: Well, if that's the case, I've just changed my mind about the 30-06........if MSSMagnum agrees with me....then I must be wrong!
And yet you both rave about those gosh awful ugly Competitors! When will the similarities cease??
Posts: 391 | Location: Kansas | Registered: 12 March 2002
Might be....we don't have much use for yankees around here!
I spent 2 weeks in Philly several years ago..... most obnoxious people I've ever met.....I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire ......guess you come by it honestly!
Posts: 1499 | Location: NE Okla | Registered: 22 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by GonHuntin: I spent 2 weeks in Philly several years ago..... most obnoxious people I've ever met.....I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire ......guess you come by it honestly!
We feel the same way bout them on this side of the commonwealth, i am surprised you didnt stay...i am sure you blended right in!
Posts: 1574 | Location: Western Pennsylvania | Registered: 12 September 2002
Come on GH, Okies do have a use for Yankees (and Kalifornians), at least when things aren't going well, we can always look at them and see how much worse off we really could be .
Dennis
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Posts: 321 | Location: Tulsa, Ok. | Registered: 27 June 2001
I called T/C a couple nights ago and thay could not tell me a dam thing I talked to 4 diffrent people the only thing thay could say is I dont no. Gon Hunting The coment you made a bount 30-06 and 270 I would not have the 30-06 or 270 If you want a real gun go pick your self up a 300win.mag
Posts: 302 | Location: west virginia | Registered: 10 December 2002
quote:Originally posted by SHORTMAG: Gon Hunting The coment you made a bount 30-06 and 270 I would not have the 30-06 or 270 If you want a real gun go pick your self up a 300win.mag
Gon Hunting I was just trying to get you fired up . I like them all if It is a gun that I like I have killed a lot of deers with 30-06 but thay are like assholes every one hase one. 30-06 is a good gun. But that 375H&H is more than a nuff gun.I bought 7mm STW a couple weeks ago I can not wate till this weather brakes so I can shoot it.
Posts: 302 | Location: west virginia | Registered: 10 December 2002
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. However I talked to the local ATF agent (ex-girlfriend of my best friend) and BATF is NOT using this as a primary violation, they lost the first Supreme Court case on T/C's and don't want to lose any more ground on the GCA and NFA by elevating this. 
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You have CONFIRMED what i have been saying all along!! 
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