21 February 2003, 05:17
Helicopter BillBATF final word on T/C frames
After e-mailing BATF and getting "we do not respond to questions involving technical and legal issues via e-mail. I suggest you contact our Firearms Technology Branch on 202-927-7910 for assistance." I called them. The deputy division chief for Firearms Technology, Doug Craize (not sure that's spelled correct), told me that they have no way of telling how a frame started life without contacting the manufacturer. They have no list of which frame is a rifle and which is a pistol when it comes to T/C's. And because they are all identical they would have to have another reason to even ask TC the question (i.e. they couldn't make the real reason they were at your house stick so they're looking for a weapons charge). HOWEVER, if the only parts you own could only be assembled into a short barreled rifle you are in violation. So make sure you own a long barrel if you own a shoulder stock and a frame, and don't put the short barrel on the frame until the pistol grip is on the frame. I contacted Tim at T/C and he said if you supplied him with the serial number of a frame, he could research it and let you know how it left the factory.
So for the paranoid out there that think the BATF might come knocking on their door, contact T/C and see if you have any rifle frames and make sure they stay that way. For the rest of us, just don't give the BATF a reason to ask the question.
MSSmagnum and GonHuntin - I humbly admit my error in challenging you
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. However I talked to the local ATF agent (ex-girlfriend of my best friend) and BATF is NOT using this as a primary violation, they lost the first Supreme Court case on T/C's and don't want to lose any more ground on the GCA and NFA by elevating this.
Helicopter Bill
"sea-lawyer"
21 February 2003, 08:23
GonHuntinsent you a private message
21 February 2003, 09:37
Rich JakeHelicopter Bill
I'd like to thank you for clearing up this
NON ISSUE !!!!!
Rich Jake
21 February 2003, 11:49
1bubaSarcasm!?!?! CERTAINLY NOT!!!! Especially from MSS.
hahahahaha
21 February 2003, 13:51
Dave JenkinsWAIT this cant be SO! I have an ongoing investigation.... or for a little more sarcasm on the same subject check my posts under the "How did you get started...." I crack myself up.....
21 February 2003, 14:18
<Headstamp>I'm glad to see we all still "hate" each other.
I'm throwing this dead horse in the hole now.
Regards
21 February 2003, 15:50
GonHuntinI still say the 30-06 is better than the 270!
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21 February 2003, 16:06
<Headstamp>"This doesn't mean we are all going to take warm showers with each other until the wee hours of the morning......."
Gunny Tom Hiway
"Heartbreak Ridge"
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21 February 2003, 16:59
jsh30'06 or 270, ain't 15 cents worth of difference.
Just as long as it is not a .41
Jeff
22 February 2003, 01:18
mbkHey jsh,
Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.
Mike
25 February 2003, 06:44
DennisFCome on GH, Okies do have a use for Yankees (and Kalifornians), at least when things aren't going well, we can always look at them and see how much worse off we really could be
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Dennis
[ 02-24-2003, 21:46: Message edited by: DennisF ]25 February 2003, 09:33
SHORTMAGI called T/C a couple nights ago and thay could not tell me a dam thing I talked to 4 diffrent people the only thing thay could say is I dont no.
Gon Hunting
The coment you made a bount 30-06 and 270
I would not have the 30-06 or 270 If you want a real gun go pick your self up a 300win.mag
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25 February 2003, 12:27
SHORTMAGGon Hunting
I was just trying to get you fired up .
I like them all if It is a gun that I like I have killed a lot of deers with 30-06 but thay are like assholes every one hase one. 30-06 is a good gun. But that 375H&H is more than a nuff gun.I bought 7mm STW a couple weeks ago I can not wate till this weather brakes so I can shoot it.