BATF final word on T/C frames

21 February 2003, 05:17

Helicopter Bill

After e-mailing BATF and getting "we do not respond to questions involving technical and legal issues via e-mail. I suggest you contact our Firearms Technology Branch on 202-927-7910 for assistance." I called them. The deputy division chief for Firearms Technology, Doug Craize (not sure that's spelled correct), told me that they have no way of telling how a frame started life without contacting the manufacturer. They have no list of which frame is a rifle and which is a pistol when it comes to T/C's. And because they are all identical they would have to have another reason to even ask TC the question (i.e. they couldn't make the real reason they were at your house stick so they're looking for a weapons charge). HOWEVER, if the only parts you own could only be assembled into a short barreled rifle you are in violation. So make sure you own a long barrel if you own a shoulder stock and a frame, and don't put the short barrel on the frame until the pistol grip is on the frame. I contacted Tim at T/C and he said if you supplied him with the serial number of a frame, he could research it and let you know how it left the factory.

So for the paranoid out there that think the BATF might come knocking on their door, contact T/C and see if you have any rifle frames and make sure they stay that way. For the rest of us, just don't give the BATF a reason to ask the question.

MSSmagnum and GonHuntin - I humbly admit my error in challenging you [Embarrassed]

. However I talked to the local ATF agent (ex-girlfriend of my best friend) and BATF is NOT using this as a primary violation, they lost the first Supreme Court case on T/C's and don't want to lose any more ground on the GCA and NFA by elevating this.
Helicopter Bill
"sea-lawyer"

21 February 2003, 08:23

GonHuntin

sent you a private message

21 February 2003, 09:37

Rich Jake

Helicopter Bill
I'd like to thank you for clearing up this NON ISSUE !!!!! [Big Grin]

Rich Jake

21 February 2003, 11:04

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Helicopter Bill:
MSSmagnum - I humbly admit my error in challenging you....
Helicopter Bill
"sea-lawyer"

Hi Bill, you werent challenging me as my original post was sarcastic!! [Wink]

You have CONFIRMED what i have been saying all along!! [Big Grin]

THANKS!!

21 February 2003, 11:24

B_Koes

quote:
Originally posted by MSSmagnum:
Hi Bill, you werent challenging me as my original post was sarcastic!! You have CONFIRMED what i have been saying all along!! THANKS!!

Huh??? YOU...SARCASTIC?!?! Say it isn't so! I've been taking you literally all this time. That's why I have to cry myself to sleep every night! [Wink]

Quite possibly the only thing that pains me more than your comments is knowing that you are right!! HA!

I couldn't resist this opportunity to reach out and smack ya around with a bit of sarcasm on my behalf...especially since I haven't been able to do it over Yahoo chat lately. [Big Grin]

21 February 2003, 11:49

1buba

Sarcasm!?!?! CERTAINLY NOT!!!! Especially from MSS. [Razz]

hahahahaha

21 February 2003, 13:51

Dave Jenkins

WAIT this cant be SO! I have an ongoing investigation.... or for a little more sarcasm on the same subject check my posts under the "How did you get started...." I crack myself up.....

21 February 2003, 14:18

<Headstamp>

I'm glad to see we all still "hate" each other.

[Wink]

I'm throwing this dead horse in the hole now.

Regards

21 February 2003, 14:23

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Headstamp:
I'm glad to see we all still "hate" each other.

Ray, at least we are all playin nice, NOT!! [Razz]

21 February 2003, 14:25

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by B_Koes:
I couldn't resist this opportunity to reach out and smack ya around with a bit of sarcasm on my behalf...especially since I haven't been able to do it over Yahoo chat lately.

I know ya love me an all but we still arent goin steady just cause you compliment me like that! [Razz]

21 February 2003, 14:30

Rich Jake

quote:
Originally posted by Headstamp:
I'm glad to see we all still "hate" each other.

Regards

Rey
Truth is we are like one big disfunctional family ! Think of how boring things would be if we agreed on everything. [Smile]

Rich Jake

21 February 2003, 15:50

GonHuntin

I still say the 30-06 is better than the 270! [Roll Eyes]

21 February 2003, 16:06

<Headstamp>

"This doesn't mean we are all going to take warm showers with each other until the wee hours of the morning......."

Gunny Tom Hiway
"Heartbreak Ridge"

[Big Grin]

21 February 2003, 16:07

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by GonHuntin:
I still say the 30-06 is better than the 270!

you would.... [Roll Eyes]

[ 02-21-2003, 07:08: Message edited by: MSSmagnum ]

21 February 2003, 16:59

jsh

30'06 or 270, ain't 15 cents worth of difference.
Just as long as it is not a .41 [Razz]

Jeff

21 February 2003, 17:14

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by jsh:
Just as long as it is not a .41

22 February 2003, 01:18

mbk

Hey jsh,

Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it. [Big Grin]

Mike

22 February 2003, 01:53

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by mbk:
Hey jsh,

Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.

Mike

.....and you call me a "plick"?? [Razz]

22 February 2003, 04:35

GonHuntin

quote:
Originally posted by mbk:
Hey jsh,

Would you look at that! Mssmagnum and Gonhuntin have the same opinion of a 270!! Who would ever have thunk it. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over to see them agreeing on something now doesn't it.

Mike

Well, if that's the case, I've just changed my mind about the 30-06........if MSSMagnum agrees with me....then I must be wrong! [Eek!]

22 February 2003, 08:12

B_Koes

quote:
Originally posted by GonHuntin:
Well, if that's the case, I've just changed my mind about the 30-06........if MSSMagnum agrees with me....then I must be wrong!

And yet you both rave about those gosh awful ugly Competitors! [Big Grin]

When will the similarities cease??

22 February 2003, 08:18

B_Koes

quote:
Originally posted by jsh:
30'06 or 270, ain't 15 cents worth of difference.

You must be looking at the inflation adjusted book! Just my 7 cents worth! [Wink]

Personally, if a cartridge doesn't have "super-dee-douper high intensity ultra-magnum" in it's title then I don't want it!

22 February 2003, 15:29

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by GonHuntin:

Well, if that's the case, I've just changed my mind about the 30-06........if MSSMagnum agrees with me....then I must be wrong! [/QUOTE]

[Roll Eyes]

must be an okie thing... [Roll Eyes]

22 February 2003, 16:33

GonHuntin

quote:
must be an okie thing...

Might be....we don't have much use for yankees around here!

I spent 2 weeks in Philly several years ago..... most obnoxious people I've ever met.....I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire [Big Grin]

......guess you come by it honestly! [Razz]

22 February 2003, 16:38

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by GonHuntin:
I spent 2 weeks in Philly several years ago..... most obnoxious people I've ever met.....I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire ......guess you come by it honestly!

We feel the same way bout them on this side of the commonwealth, i am surprised you didnt stay...i am sure you blended right in! [Razz]

25 February 2003, 06:44

DennisF

Come on GH, Okies do have a use for Yankees (and Kalifornians), at least when things aren't going well, we can always look at them and see how much worse off we really could be [Wink]

.

Dennis

[ 02-24-2003, 21:46: Message edited by: DennisF ]

25 February 2003, 09:33

SHORTMAG

I called T/C a couple nights ago and thay could not tell me a dam thing I talked to 4 diffrent people the only thing thay could say is I dont no.
Gon Hunting
The coment you made a bount 30-06 and 270
I would not have the 30-06 or 270 If you want a real gun go pick your self up a 300win.mag [Big Grin]

25 February 2003, 11:00

GonHuntin

quote:
Originally posted by SHORTMAG:
Gon Hunting
The coment you made a bount 30-06 and 270
I would not have the 30-06 or 270 If you want a real gun go pick your self up a 300win.mag

Got two, one stainless, one blue! [Big Grin]

Honestly, I like them all! [Wink]

[ 02-25-2003, 17:41: Message edited by: GonHuntin ]

25 February 2003, 12:27

SHORTMAG

Gon Hunting
I was just trying to get you fired up .
I like them all if It is a gun that I like I have killed a lot of deers with 30-06 but thay are like assholes every one hase one. 30-06 is a good gun. But that 375H&H is more than a nuff gun.I bought 7mm STW a couple weeks ago I can not wate till this weather brakes so I can shoot it.