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Do you carry your 1911 locked and loaded?
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Slamfire, just becaues the military did not do enough training for all troops to carry cocked and locked, does not mean it is not the way it should be done.

Actually condition 2, round in the chamber hammer down is the most unsafe way to carry a 1911. Some of the newer 1911's with the firing pin retention devices do make this style of carry a little safer...

Condition 3, hammer down on an empty chamber, is the most dangerous war for the survival of the handgun carrier to carry a 1911.
This is sometimes called Israeli carry...

IF you cannot carry a 1911 cocked and locked, then carry something else.

Generally when you need a handgun you need it BADLY. You must be able to "yank it out", and get it to fire with one hand, with as minimal movements, minimal dexterity as possible...

IF cocked and locked, or semiautos in general, make a person nervous, then carry a DA revolver.

Do not fret over it, just practice with the revolver, till you have 100% confidence in it.


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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:

IF you cannot carry a 1911 cocked and locked, then carry something else.

Generally when you need a handgun you need it BADLY. You must be able to "yank it out", and get it to fire with one hand, with as minimal movements, minimal dexterity as possible...

IF cocked and locked, or semiautos in general, make a person nervous, then carry a DA revolver.

Do not fret over it, just practice with the revolver, till you have 100% confidence in it.


Plus a whole bunch for this comment.

When I carry my 1911, BHP, Model 66 3" or other revolver, generally any time I leave my house, strong side, either IWB or OWB - There is a J frame or Kahr PM9 in a pocket holster riding in my off side pocket.

If I don't carry the larger gun, I put the small one in my strong side pocket.

All single action guns are carried C&L. No reason to do anything else asI have trained and practiced this for MANY years and lots of rounds.

What you or others are comfortable with will vary and has no bearing on my choices.

Be practiced, comfortable and confident with what ever you chose to carry.

Doing so keeps you from having to scream like a little girl when confronted by one of the bad wolves out there determined to do you and those around you harm.


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Posts: 681 | Location: Spring Branch, TX (Summers in Northern MN) | Registered: 18 September 2004Reply With Quote
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What you or others are comfortable with will vary and has no bearing on my choices.

Be practiced, comfortable and confident with what ever you chose to carry.

Doing so keeps you from having to scream like a little girl when confronted by one of the bad wolves out there determined to do you and those around you harm.


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As someone posted earlier a Sig.Now several years ago I had a wild hair that I 'needed' a 220.I bought one + then discovered to my dismay that it is a TOTALLY right handed piece.I should say that in view that it IS a German firm.My point here being that with a 1911 I don't have to think.May sound stupid but if you understand then you understand.Being left handed has its areas of problems but we learn to live in a right handed world.The Sig 220 I personally found to be an exeption to the rule.The 1911 however (+yes I'm biased)can be operated by a lefty easily.Left forefinger will do everything + in record time. BTW while I'm on my soapbox,several years ago there was an article in Guns,G+A,et/al,I don't recall;but it was reminiscient of the "Men's magazines" of the 50's;True,Argosy,etc. The article although totally tounge in cheek was entitled, "How I escaped from a Nazi sex camp with only a 1911 + one hand tied behind my back".Funny right? The point of the article was the various ways of working a 1911 when incapacitated.I confess,I did practice for quite some time.Worked too.
 
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+1 on condition 1

Anyone who feels that it is unsafe is lacking in gun skills.

Knowing about guns and having skills with guns are two different things.


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IF you do not feel comfortable carrying a 1911 Cocked and Locked, then you should carry another kind of handgun...


Which I did.



A number of people, myself included, found after carrying a M1911 cocked and locked, that somehow the thumb safety gets bumped off. Then you are carrying cocked.

I did not like that. Sure the grip safety is supposed to save the day, but I never felt comfortable with that hammer cocked back and no safety on.

The grip safety is not a sure thing. People have grabbed their M1911’s but found their grip position was not holding the grip safety down. A nice consistent grip is not 100% guaranteed in all situations.

You may also find that you accidentally bumped the safety “on” when you wanted it “off”. This only happened once to me, only punching paper, but it did happen.

Happens enough at Thunder Ranch that Clint Smith mentioned it in an article. Said “Nationally ranked” shooters have bumped their safeties on at his facility.

Incidentally the safety is simply a sear blocking safety. See picture. I have been told if the hammer hooks are worn, off angle due to a poor trigger job, and the hammer falls forward, it will wipe the safety off.

Then if you are lucky your half cock will catch the hammer before you have an accidental discharge.



Gunsite and other 1911 advocates, train to shoot with the thumb on top of the safety lever when firing the pistol. This way the safety cannot be "Accidently" engaged when firing the pistol.
 
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470, do you carry the Sig P220 as a concealed carry gun? It seems pretty big to me.
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My above response was to Slamfires post.

I usually carry a Glock 27 in a inside the pocket holster. Usually with shorts or when wearing a tuck in shirt. Along with a model 23 13 rd extra mag. I will also carry a 4" Kimber CDP II in a ISWB hoster if it can be concealed or a Gunsite 1911 made by Ted Yost. ( Both cocked and locked)

The Glock model 23C is also an option and good compromise between concealability and fire power. (14 Rds of 40).
 
Posts: 2180 | Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. | Registered: 20 February 2008Reply With Quote
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Cling Smith also carries a 1911, what does that say ?

For those who have had their 1911 saftey disengaged, what kind of holster are you using? What were you doing when the safety disengaged? More information is needed. Shooters have been carrying the 1911 cocked and locked for 100 years now, why now all of a sudden is it unsafe.

I have never had that happen to me. Then again, I don't use $20 holsters.


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