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Wait! Hold on here! Before I look at the link, I'm putting money down on the myth about "Just racking the slide on a shotgun stops them in their tracks." OK, EXCELLENT article -- probably because it agrees with me.  | |||
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OK, I have to ask: "Why are semi auto pistols reliable enough for home defense but semi auto shotguns are not?" Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Because there's a world of difference in operation pressure between a 2 1/2" trap load and a 3" magnum load? Shotguns are gas operated whereas semi-auto handguns are recoil operated. Gas operation needs to be adjusted for the load, and a semi-auto gas system in a shotgun has quirks. Besides which -- Everyone knows the BG craps his shorts at the sound of racking the slide!  | |||
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Cool my M1Super90 does not operate well with light trap loads. Great shot gun but with 1100fps loads it fails to chamber 1 out of 3 or 4. | |||
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Yes, but I'm not going to take my "tactical shotgun" to the skeet range,so, if I have a tactical shotgun by my bedside waiting for Armageddon why must it be a pump? Also, I can understand that target loads may not cycle a gun set up for 3" magnum but what about the other way around? Seems to me that this argument is no different than setting up a 1911 with heavier springs for "combat" loads as opposed to bullseye target loads. What am I missing here? Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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HOLY SHIT is first to come to my mind.  | |||
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Correct me but doesn't 'tactical' denote an offensive weapon?
This last sentence seems contradictory. It implies, to me at least, that there is something better. Otherwise why say, 'in a worse case scenario' a 'tactical' shotgun can be used? | |||
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You are not missing anything Peter. Your questions are legitimate. To others who have said so, not all semi-auto shotguns are gas operated. The Benellis, for example, are recoil operated. Why would one load a personal defense shotgun with a load that will not cycle? Even for practice? Beats me. Modern day semi-auto shotguns, using proper ammo, are the go-to design for the majority of police and military. That is a fact. Must be some reason for it. Real life home defense and personal defense situations represent the "worse case scenario", do they not? 114-R10David | |||
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Pump guns still are the majority in my agency. I think cost has alot to do w/it. We have to buy our own. Love to have a Benelli but not right now.  I think J.D.'s article is directed to the lowest common demoninator ie most aren't going to practice to become proficient w/a semiauto shotgun. Malfunction drills come to mind first. With a pump, not as much to go wrong. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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Personally for a HD shotgun, I think it's ridiculous to spend any money for an extended magazine. If you can't get it done with 4+1 and the ability to reload, you're almost certainly not going to get it done with 6+1. Also I think the idea of "hunting" the bad guys with a HD, moving through doorways etc is not such a wonderful concept either for the vast majority of people. Not counting making my kids safe, which might involve going after the perps, I think staying put and waiting for the perps to come to you is the best general plan. It's obvious there can be many exceptions to this, but my first advice to women in a HD situation with a shotgun or other firearm is to lock the door (bedroom or bathroom) and warn the person who is attempting entry that you will shoot. All this hopefully while or after dialing 911. If they continue to attempt entry then aim about waist high slightly toward the knob side and shoot one time. If the shot doesn't kill or disable them, most will leave. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I am getting sick of "Tactical" Tactics are how one applies violence to get the desired objective. Its not a bloody adjective as most seem to want to use it. One can use tactics to use a single shot rifle to take a hill or clear a room. The rifle itself is not "Tactical". "Tactical" seems to currently mean "paramilitary" nowdays. | |||
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Some of us have one shotgun for all occasions. Unless I'm hunting my M1S90 has an extended mag tube for games and HD. | |||
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Agreed. My kids don't sleep in my bedroom and our dispatch might get someone to me in 10 or 15 minutes if my call is prioritized correctly. Locking a hollow core bedroom door and waiting it out isn't an option when you have folks in different parts of the house expecting you to handle the issue, whatever it might be. Not ideal, but armed confrontations never are. Same with shooting through a door at an unseen target- not much of a plan for a family man or a person who only has 5 rounds for that matter. As such, I'll take as much on board ammo as I can get up to the point I lose the ability to handle the gun effectively. | |||
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Four round factory mag. w/ four round side saddle on my 870. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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