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Well for all you budding horn gatherers who were planning a trip to NZ to add a Tahr or Chamois to your collection. You have probably left your run too late.
Heli Hunting or Helicopter Assisted Trophy Hunting is to be banned on the public estate.
And not before time!
 
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Bottle of Moet 1999 going on ice now and a bottle of good scotch to select, gonna run up to a snow field for some ice. Yippee I am so tired of this crap its over at last.
 
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Its a great day! Has made all the hard work by those involved worthwhile.
Cheers Shaun, Aaron et all for leading this and making it the political expedient it became. The nation of hunters will owe a debt of gratitude for a long time.
Will be having a drink or two myself tonight.
 
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Weathered,please accept my apologies.After all your good work,you should have been the one to break the good news. Sorry wasn't thinking!
 
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Nah I dont care its all good its really funny a wise man once wrote success has many fathers failure is an orphan.
We know what really changed it and it will change thats all that counts
 
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Yep, too true. And some of us will remember.I wonder if a certain chopper pilot is now going to go out and destroy all the bulls as he threatened to do.
 
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tu2 One step in the right direction!!
 
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How far away does a hunter have to be dropped off by Chopper[from his quarry], for it to be not considered heli-assisted trophy hunting?

Just asking because in places like Africa, there are minimum distances that a hunter must be away from the vehicle to take a shot on game.
In Zim. you have be at least 50metres from your vehicle....however,[personally] I would not necessarily consider that non-vehicle assisted trophy hunting.
 
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I am very happy to hear thatSmiler
Finally this disgrace is stopping.
 
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Originally posted by Bon Ton:
Well for all you budding horn gatherers who were planning a trip to NZ to add a Tahr or Chamois to your collection. You have probably left your run too late.
Heli Hunting or Helicopter Assisted Trophy Hunting is to be banned on the public estate.
And not before time!


Actually, this makes it more likely that I will hunt tahr or chamois in NZ. Good work guys!

dean


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And a lawyer is an impeccable source of truth ?
This is a one sided interveiw from a lawyer, that helihunters are reduced to having a lawyer speak on their behalf says everything.
Conveniently avoided asking NZPHGA their veiws too
 
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Weathered,

Is the government going to stop the culling from choppers. The video I watched of that was sickening!!!!
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No the culling will go on. This helihunt saga has seen a big change in the way culling has been done though. It was for the wrong reason, but now with Helihunting hopefully out the door, we will see the decision to not shoot recognizable males will be left in place.
Currently the culling of a percentage of females is a necessary evil we can't do without, and don't wish to stop. It isn't pleasant, but has some management benefits that are worthwhile.
 
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Is there no other way to do it??


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Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.
 
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Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.
Would an organised cull not work? We do things like that over here... the govt could pay for the helo time to drop hunters into the thickest areas and then they would be able to retrieve what meat they could. At least that way there would be more responsibility for the dead animals - not just leave then in a watercourse to foul it (as an example).

Just an idea .... I would be suggesting ANY plan to get the hand of govt away from the game animals


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It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
 
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In the video I watched they shot everything includeing some awsome trophy males!

Hawkeye
 
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Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.
Would an organised cull not work? We do things like that over here... the govt could pay for the helo time to drop hunters into the thickest areas and then they would be able to retrieve what meat they could. At least that way there would be more responsibility for the dead animals - not just leave then in a watercourse to foul it (as an example).

Just an idea .... I would be suggesting ANY plan to get the hand of govt away from the game animals


There have been some organized culls by Deerstalkers and the Tahr Interest Group. Weathereds got some vid on Youtube of his involvement. Its getting enough involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...XsAk&feature=related
Some of his vid
 
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Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem
 
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Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem
Maybe its time for some collective bargaining to gain access through private land?

When you say guides, I am sure you meant outfitters; the guides just do the work on the ground. Many outfitters are landowners too who may be denying access.

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It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!


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It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!


I bet if you owned a restaurant that Politicians regularly dined in, at the cost of tax payers,
you would see things differently.

..and if one owned rotary-wing craft for commercial gain and secured the contract, one would not be concerned about tax payers footing the bill for the cost of aerial eradication.
In fact, I would be quite delighted comfortably knowing that the bill will be paid.
 
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Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!


I bet if you owned a restaurant that Politicians regularly dined in at the cost of tax payers,
you would see things differently.

Oh yuck - it would be plain unethical to keepp such a restaurant open!!

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..and if one owned rotary craft for commercial gain and secured the contract, one would not complain about tax payers footing the bill for the cost of aerial eradication.
In fact, I would be quite delighted comfortably knowing that the bill will be paid.
Probably not... but Im not really sure what that has to do with my suggestion though. I wasnt suggesting helo operators look at disbanding their govt culling work! bewildered I was suggested that rec hunters lobby the govt with more equitable alternatives. Maybe the aerial pest money could be diverted to aerial weed spraying?? Then no one misses out.... Who knows??


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Oh yuck - it would be plain unethical to keepp such a restaurant open!!


actually, quite the opposite in my mind,..I would see such as an opportunity to help pay for;
my home,education of my children in private school, fund part of my custom gun projects,...all the while getting back some of the taxes that I don't believe the gov. deserved in the first place,
So,its not perfect world Frowner... But id be reasonably happy and appreciative if the gov. was to squander money in my direction.... Big Grin
 
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depends on your motivation in life I guess??
 
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depends on your motivation in life I guess??


To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.
 
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depends on your motivation in life I guess??


To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.


And what about when their choices interfere with ours?
 
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To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.
So to use your way of thinking - if a bunch of greenies protested against hunting and used all sorts of lies and disinformation to do it - you would just cop it on the chin too?


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Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem
Maybe its time for some collective bargaining to gain access through private land?

When you say guides, I am sure you meant outfitters; the guides just do the work on the ground. Many outfitters are landowners too who may be denying access.

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Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!


Unfortunately, yes!
 
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