Heli Hunting- Helicopter Assisted Trophy Hunts

05 December 2011, 05:41

Bon Ton

Well for all you budding horn gatherers who were planning a trip to NZ to add a Tahr or Chamois to your collection. You have probably left your run too late.
Heli Hunting or Helicopter Assisted Trophy Hunting is to be banned on the public estate.
And not before time!

05 December 2011, 06:06

Weathered

Bottle of Moet 1999 going on ice now and a bottle of good scotch to select, gonna run up to a snow field for some ice. Yippee I am so tired of this crap its over at last.

05 December 2011, 06:46

shankspony

Its a great day! Has made all the hard work by those involved worthwhile.
Cheers Shaun, Aaron et all for leading this and making it the political expedient it became. The nation of hunters will owe a debt of gratitude for a long time.
Will be having a drink or two myself tonight.

05 December 2011, 07:06

Bon Ton

Weathered,please accept my apologies.After all your good work,you should have been the one to break the good news. Sorry wasn't thinking!

05 December 2011, 07:50

Weathered

Nah I dont care its all good its really funny a wise man once wrote success has many fathers failure is an orphan.
We know what really changed it and it will change thats all that counts

05 December 2011, 09:07

shankspony

Yep, too true. And some of us will remember.I wonder if a certain chopper pilot is now going to go out and destroy all the bulls as he threatened to do.

05 December 2011, 09:57

Matt Graham

One step in the right direction!!

05 December 2011, 12:53

Trax

How far away does a hunter have to be dropped off by Chopper[from his quarry], for it to be not considered heli-assisted trophy hunting?

Just asking because in places like Africa, there are minimum distances that a hunter must be away from the vehicle to take a shot on game.
In Zim. you have be at least 50metres from your vehicle....however,[personally] I would not necessarily consider that non-vehicle assisted trophy hunting.

05 December 2011, 16:00

Norwegianwoods

I am very happy to hear that

Finally this disgrace is stopping.

05 December 2011, 21:01

maki

quote:
Originally posted by Bon Ton:
Well for all you budding horn gatherers who were planning a trip to NZ to add a Tahr or Chamois to your collection. You have probably left your run too late.
Heli Hunting or Helicopter Assisted Trophy Hunting is to be banned on the public estate.
And not before time!

Actually, this makes it more likely that I will hunt tahr or chamois in NZ. Good work guys!

dean

10 December 2011, 23:51

mboga biga bwana

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-...ophy-hunt-ban-hailed

11 December 2011, 00:48

Weathered

And a lawyer is an impeccable source of truth ?
This is a one sided interveiw from a lawyer, that helihunters are reduced to having a lawyer speak on their behalf says everything.
Conveniently avoided asking NZPHGA their veiws too

11 December 2011, 01:05

Hawkeye47

Weathered,

Is the government going to stop the culling from choppers. The video I watched of that was sickening!!!!
hawkeye

11 December 2011, 05:06

shankspony

No the culling will go on. This helihunt saga has seen a big change in the way culling has been done though. It was for the wrong reason, but now with Helihunting hopefully out the door, we will see the decision to not shoot recognizable males will be left in place.
Currently the culling of a percentage of females is a necessary evil we can't do without, and don't wish to stop. It isn't pleasant, but has some management benefits that are worthwhile.

11 December 2011, 06:04

Matt Graham

Is there no other way to do it??

11 December 2011, 07:17

shankspony

Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.

11 December 2011, 07:26

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.

Would an organised cull not work? We do things like that over here... the govt could pay for the helo time to drop hunters into the thickest areas and then they would be able to retrieve what meat they could. At least that way there would be more responsibility for the dead animals - not just leave then in a watercourse to foul it (as an example).

Just an idea .... I would be suggesting ANY plan to get the hand of govt away from the game animals

11 December 2011, 07:54

Bon Ton

It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.

11 December 2011, 08:07

Hawkeye47

In the video I watched they shot everything includeing some awsome trophy males!

Hawkeye

11 December 2011, 08:36

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Get more hunters shooting more nanny's.
Would an organised cull not work? We do things like that over here... the govt could pay for the helo time to drop hunters into the thickest areas and then they would be able to retrieve what meat they could. At least that way there would be more responsibility for the dead animals - not just leave then in a watercourse to foul it (as an example).

Just an idea .... I would be suggesting ANY plan to get the hand of govt away from the game animals

There have been some organized culls by Deerstalkers and the Tahr Interest Group. Weathereds got some vid on Youtube of his involvement. Its getting enough involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...XsAk&feature=related
Some of his vid

11 December 2011, 09:42

Weathered

Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem

11 December 2011, 16:07

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by Weathered:
Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem

Maybe its time for some collective bargaining to gain access through private land?

When you say guides, I am sure you meant outfitters; the guides just do the work on the ground. Many outfitters are landowners too who may be denying access.

quote:
Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.

Using taxpayers dollars!!

13 December 2011, 07:41

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:
Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!

I bet if you owned a restaurant that Politicians regularly dined in, at the cost of tax payers,
you would see things differently.

..and if one owned rotary-wing craft for commercial gain and secured the contract, one would not be concerned about tax payers footing the bill for the cost of aerial eradication.
In fact, I would be quite delighted comfortably knowing that the bill will be paid.

13 December 2011, 07:59

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by Trax:
quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:
Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!

I bet if you owned a restaurant that Politicians regularly dined in at the cost of tax payers,
you would see things differently.

Oh yuck - it would be plain unethical to keepp such a restaurant open!!

quote:

..and if one owned rotary craft for commercial gain and secured the contract, one would not complain about tax payers footing the bill for the cost of aerial eradication.
In fact, I would be quite delighted comfortably knowing that the bill will be paid.

Probably not... but Im not really sure what that has to do with my suggestion though. I wasnt suggesting helo operators look at disbanding their govt culling work!

I was suggested that rec hunters lobby the govt with more equitable alternatives. Maybe the aerial pest money could be diverted to aerial weed spraying?? Then no one misses out.... Who knows??

13 December 2011, 08:10

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Oh yuck - it would be plain unethical to keepp such a restaurant open!!

actually, quite the opposite in my mind,..I would see such as an opportunity to help pay for;
my home,education of my children in private school, fund part of my custom gun projects,...all the while getting back some of the taxes that I don't believe the gov. deserved in the first place,
So,its not perfect world

... But id be reasonably happy and appreciative if the gov. was to squander money in my direction....

13 December 2011, 08:17

Matt Graham

depends on your motivation in life I guess??

13 December 2011, 08:57

Trax

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
depends on your motivation in life I guess??

To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.

13 December 2011, 11:59

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Trax:
quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
depends on your motivation in life I guess??

To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.

And what about when their choices interfere with ours?

13 December 2011, 13:49

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by Trax:

To some degree it does ,I'm not one to set off on moral crusades..live and let live I say.
Dont like or agree with something,fine,..but at the same time don't interfer with other peoples free and legal choices.

So to use your way of thinking - if a bunch of greenies protested against hunting and used all sorts of lies and disinformation to do it - you would just cop it on the chin too?

13 December 2011, 23:33

Bon Ton

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
quote:
Originally posted by Weathered:
Its simple ... if New Zealand rec hunters got the same access in their own country the fucken guides have for their tourist clients then there would be no problem
Maybe its time for some collective bargaining to gain access through private land?

When you say guides, I am sure you meant outfitters; the guides just do the work on the ground. Many outfitters are landowners too who may be denying access.

quote:
Originally posted by Bon Ton:
It's cheaper for them to just cull from the machine. And more efficient.
Using taxpayers dollars!!

Unfortunately, yes!