About time we had some hunting on here again!!

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It might sound silly but all of the hunting I have done for scrubbers, guiding that is, I have never had the opportunity to take one for myself... it just never happened as I was always in the right place at the wrong time when I was free of clients - or just couldnt find a big one when I needed it - you know what I mean...

Since I got my new double rifle, I decided that this year, come hell I high-water I was going to ventilate either a big buff or a scrub bull with it and it seems that the scrub bull deal just fell into place yesterday. Actually I did get to shoot a couple of buffalo bulls with it this year anyhow ..... ..... but they weren't mine!!!

So my scrub bull hoodoo changed yesterday, we were sitting around camp with the last two clients, on the last day of the hunting season... it was sweltering... I had been mulling around in my head that we might get an opportunity to go after a huge scrub bull we had seen the day before, so I suggested to the hunters... "Supposing we took a drive in the airconditioned Cruiser out to XYZ creek and we 'happened' to see that big scrubber out there... would you guys mind if I rolled it?? They shrugged and replied - "when are we leaving"? I suspect all that they heard was "....drive in the airconditioned Cruiser..."

Well we DID find the scrubber and with client as backup, with his 300WM, I took the huge bull down with three shots from the Verney-Carron 450NE with Hornady DGX factory ammo. We did some really dodgy video footage too, which I will hopefully add later when I can get back to Broadband Land!!

I am bloody stoked with this bull - you could just see the mass of him from a great distance...when we spotted him before. Sorry I cant write a longer report as I will probably include this in a future mag article. That's Harry my oldest boy(11YO) in the photo - he spent the holidays here helping out... his first time in one of our camps while it was actually operational. That's chewing gum in his mouth by-the-way ... not a durrie!! Harry distinguished himself one day by spotting seven pigs for one of the clients from the back seat of the Cruiser... pretty cool!!

Today after the last clients left we made a plan to get him his first ever big game animal... he shot a 100kg boar from a 15ft high tree-stand with a 308 Weatherguard.... but thats a whole other story when we get images done!!! He is VERY chuffed with himself to say the least!!!

Now he has to pay for his 'one-day hunt' (I told him he was the last client of the season) by packing up camp and packing trophies!!!!

Well done, Matt! And to have your son with you -- what a gift.

Awesome Matt.

That looks a really nice shaped head and a big bull as well.


Good on your son. I would expect him to be able to spot "game" being your son !!!

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Three shots Matty? Where did the pills hit the bull?

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Three shots Matty? Where did the pills hit the bull?

Gryph

You know what these PH's are like, first one in the hoof, second one in the assm then their aim comes good

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I suspected that Nige,last one on the ground.

How about photos of the double?

very intersting hunt ,here in Argentina we have a lot of feral cows ,most of the are the indians cebues ,very ,very agressive .

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
very intersting hunt ,here in Argentina we have a lot of feral cows ,most of the are the indians cebues ,very ,very agressive .

juan

These things can be as well - in fact, I would say that in general, they are more aggressive than Water Buffalo and more likely to charge.

But that is My opinion, Matt sees many more than I do.

Not sure of the lineage of scrub Bulls but Feral cattle that have never been yarded is, I think a good description of ours.

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Thanks guys..

Gryphon the three shots were all in the chest on the same side, standing roughly broadside, 70m. I suspect the first shot would have been enough as he wasnt exactly galloping away and was obviously 'rocked' but I wasn't about to stand around wondering if the shot was OK and have him run off wounded. I was shooting with an open-sighted double rifle.

Lineage of the scrub bull.... In the Northern Territory at least, the true scrub bulls are direct descendents of the shorthorn cattle that the pioneers bought to the area in the early to mid 1800's. With the unfenced grazing soon a lot of them were wild and often the difference between domestic and wild was greatly blurred (ie.. often one in the same). This continued up until the 1960's when the zebu cattle started to be bought in to cross with the wild 'capricornia' types. The BTEC programme and ongoing muster (live capture especially) greatly reduced/reduces wild scrub cattle populations, although obviously some have survived and continue to interbreed with the now endemic brahman domestic cattle. Today almost all true scrub bulls wiith have some brahman blood in them (as this one does), although up at our buff concession I believe we have some that are very, very close to the true original type. I am sure parts of Central Arnhem do too...

That is a very brief histroy as I see it.

Matty you might have to use Hydro`s they are proven one shot performers on scrubbers,asiatics and cape buff.

Matt, good on you and Harry!

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Matty you might have to use Hydro`s they are proven one shot performers on scrubbers,asiatics and cape buff.

Would it knock them over instantly?? No chance.... so I would still keep shooting them till they fall over. I hear good things about the Hydro's but I cant use them in some of my guns and I'm not sure I would/could use them in the double anyhow.

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
How about photos of the double?

Will try to get some up when I can mate!!

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Matty you might have to use Hydro`s they are proven one shot performers on scrubbers,asiatics and cape buff.

Would it knock them over instantly?? No chance.... so I would still keep shooting them till they fall over. I hear good things about the Hydro's but I cant use them in some of my guns and I'm not sure I would/could use them in the double anyhow.

GRYPH
where did this "one shot performers" come from ?
They do seem to hit "harder" but I agree, they are not all "one shot kills". only shot a few and yes, everything hit was sick as but they are not one shot wonders.

Matt
You can use them in your Double, just measure the bore first to make sure it is .458.

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GRYPH
where did this "one shot performers" come from ?


Nige `ol son,thats how they have done for me and also personally talking to the blokes that have used them extensively on the bigger stuff in the top end... Frank and John are two NON bullshitters,the bullets are devastatingly good and they did shoot a LOT of game up north.
All I have used them on are sambar,one shot kills only so far.You will see from one set of stag pics what i mean.I will throw up some pics from earlier this that haven't been on this site here when i get a moment or two.

Following pics are of a mature sambar stag`s ribcage showing in the 1st pic the entry of a.358 Norma Mag /225 Woodleigh Hydro 2nd pic the exit.
It didn't touch bone on exit, the dark patch to right of the hole is only dried blood/meat over the next rib.
The stag was dead on his feet and didn't go very far at all especially considering that the bullet hardly touched any bone at all,only the slightest 1/2 size 358 chip on the entry rib.That chip is tiny btw.I doubt whether other bullets would have done what this did in killing this stag so quickly.I have never seen blood in a body cavity in such a quantity previously.
All in all colossal performance for a pass through with out bone belting.

Note the dry old rib cage is a week old tomorrow and has been hanging in the dog yard as a smorgasbord since it was boned out the next day.





Heres the first pic showing entry on the left side,I had his shoulder in the hairs but he took a step downhill as I fired,he was actually snatching a gob full at the time.He is quite a large bull too and over the 600 pound mark.



I wasn't caping him hence the meat left on the skin,anyway that tiny little hole shows nothing from the outside but with the hide peeled back it certainly shows the immense bruising over a huge area and the insides were mulch too.Its almost as if a mini grenade has gone "boomf" inside.
I reiterate that it was outstanding performance considering the shoulder bones were not smashed,these pics show that it was solely the projectile doing its job.I was impressed to buggery.
If I had been using say my 250 Grain Norma Alaskans or Norma Oryx the deer would be dead too but nothing like how the Hydro worked on this stag.



Last pic shows the exit hole, there's no huge gaping wound to show externally though the blood trail left was a real hosing down.
Sambar stags hit like this with other projectiles die as well of course though what often seems like bloody forever away,I have shot them with all sorts of pills over the years and nothing has ever worked in the manner that the Hydro`s have done.



Imagine the further devastation Matty as a learned fella as you are in these matters if that projectile had indeed hit through the middle of the shoulder as intended!

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
GRYPH
where did this "one shot performers" come from ?


Nige `ol son,thats how they have done for me and also personally talking to the blokes that have used them extensively on the bigger stuff in the top end... Frank and John are two NON bullshitters,the bullets are devastatingly good and they did shoot a LOT of game up north.

I agree re "devastatingly good", no problems there, seen it myself, I just find the
term "one shot performers" a bit much, that's all.

More later.........

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Originally posted by 500N:


Matt
You can use them in your Double, just measure the bore first to make sure it is .458.

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Yes I know that but I was talking about getting them to regulate... just a matter of time and energy to get the thing to shoot these different projectiles - I would really like to try and get TSX's to work first. I am also not sure that I want to use something that gets THAT much penetration in that gun. It's just personal choice too - its not like the very high quality expanding projectiles dont work!!! 'More' isnt always 'better'.


Here is Harry's boar - shitty phone image... could be worse I suppose...

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by 500N:


Matt
You can use them in your Double, just measure the bore first to make sure it is .458.

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Yes I know that but I was talking about getting them to regulate... just a matter of time and energy to get the thing to shoot these different projectiles - I would really like to try and get TSX's to work first. I am also not sure that I want to use something that gets THAT much penetration in that gun. It's just personal choice too - its not like the very high quality expanding projectiles dont work!!! 'More' isnt always 'better'.

re regulation, with my 465, we literally substituted the bullets, fired a couple of shots
and away we went and the feedback I have had from people is they use virtually the same powder charge. But of course every double is different and every

BTW, what was the test target like on your Sabatti and where does it shoot at the moment ?
Also, have the muzzles been ground ?

Yes, I tend to go along with the theory of more isn't always better !!!

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Sabatti?????? shame on you .... its a Verney Carron!!

Ground muzzles - wash your mouth out with soap!!

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Sabatti?????? shame on you .... its a Verney Carron!!

Ground muzzles - wash your mouth out with soap!!

Ooops, sorry, my bad !

VC would never stoop so low.

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Matt your photos reminds me wen IKY my son wa the age of your son ,we always have been hunting together ,today he continues hunting with me ,and we have many memories of our adventures ,CONTINUE HUNTING WITH YOUR SON ,IT MAKES LIFE WORTH TO BE LIVED .

Thanks Juan - we think alike!!

Hydros are not one shot killers on scrub bulls from what I have heard. Most large animals take a while to die unless brain or neck spine shot. No matter what the bullet.

I never said they were INSTANT killers I said they are one shot performers.

I think we are splitting hairs.

I've seen plenty of Woodleigh SN bullets hit hard and be "one shot performers" on Buffalo.

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Fuggin frogshit Nigel I said one thing JH said another...

Incidentally I was alerted to this today,prior to that I have never heard of the forum..theres six pages,I managed 1 and a bit.

http://www.blaserbuds.com/foru...?f=38&t=2415&start=0

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Fuggin frogshit Nigel I said one thing JH said another...

Next time I will read the post a bit slower !!! LOL

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
I never said they were INSTANT killers I said they are one shot performers.

My comments are based on actual results from private conversations. Again, the hydros even if they work "better" are not one shot killers and often require more than one shot. Just like any other bullet, the hunter often feels the need to shoot again, as the bull may still be standing, running away. And just like a weldcore, or hydro or whatever, the bull may well die if the first shot was good, but if it is still standing, or running away, it is smart to hit it again, just in case. Results from actual factual accounts.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Fuggin frogshit Nigel I said one thing JH said another...

BTW I also never said "INSTANT killers" either, I said, "one shot killer".

"One shot performer" or "one shot killer" what is the difference?

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Originally posted by NitroX:

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
I never said they were INSTANT killers I said they are one shot performers.

My comments are based on actual results from private conversations. Again, the hydros even if they work "better" are not one shot killers and often require more than one shot. From actual factual accounts.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Fuggin frogshit Nigel I said one thing JH said another...

BTW I also never said "INSTANT killers" either, I said, "one shot killer".

"One shot performer" or "one shot killer" what is the difference?

JH mine are based on my own actual shots besides those of others,anyway all in all they are a terrific projectile.I wonder why Matty hasnt used (or said) the Hydro`s he asked for and was sent?

I wonder why you dont mind your own business!!

Gryph

Not having a go at Matt but you know Aussies don't support Aussie products.

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Aussies dont buy Woodleighs??

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Aussies dont buy Woodleighs??

Generally, Aussie shooters are all over US product, as are the magazines.

BTW, what made you use Hornady ?

Because it was factory off the shelf
and you didn't have time to reload ?

Or was it regulated with it ?

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
I wonder why you dont mind your own business!!

OOH! Ouch! My poor sore ring!

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Originally posted by gryphon1:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
I wonder why you dont mind your own business!!

OOH! Ouch! My poor sore ring!

And that is from a distance, wait until he sticks a V-C Double rifle up it

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I doubt if he would have the strength cobber,its a pretty awesome scene there with a stench that could only be described as "magnificent"..

Sorry for the late come in Matt. I've been out bush for the last week. Nice bull. I would like to get one to go along side my buff mount. Are they any easier to cape out than a buff?

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
JH mine are based on my own actual shots besides those of others,anyway all in all they are a terrific projectile.

JG,

I will have a chat with you by phone.