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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/game...-20130122-2d5nn.html ... coffee

Lets hope these lads are clean , cause its really sad when dumb selfish activity rot starts at the top, giving the sport a bad name.
 
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The greenies are getting desperate!!


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The Greenies may well be desperate, however,
the complaint/allegation made against the NSWGC senior staff members, actually comes from the property owner who allows paying hunters on her land.
Apparently, it was client hunters on Diane Nobles 25,000 acre Karwarn station, who confronted the two men in a vehicle, who then identified themselves as Mr. McFarland and Mr Mallen.
It is also claimed a Game Council vehicle was seen in the national park that ones needs to pass through to reach the private property.

Its not entirely unusual for people in high/privileged political places to do illicit things and then deny it,..
just look at the findings of the investigation into the HSU Union officials and the current investigation into the NSW coal lease tender issue.

Interesting to see what comes out of the police investigation surrounding the incident which allegedly involves NSWGC senior staff....... popcorn

http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov...MHallegedillegal.pdf

The property owners complaint is not based on her having an anti-hunting stance,
but around illegal trespass and illegal hunting - and the property owner wants payment for the damaged fence and shot goat.
 
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NSW Game Council officer Andrew Mallen has been reinstated after police officially cleared him of any wrongdoing in an alleged illegal hunting incident.

http://www.sportingshootermag....-s-mallen-reinstated


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I was really getting despondent about this .... fuckit I hate it when the guys on our side (appear to) have egg on their faces.


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There's a bit behind this story and it's going to get ugly for a few people.....and they're not GC.
 
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I can't wait to see that happen.
Deserve what they get.
 
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Mr Mallen was cleared of any wrong doing very early in the piece and was reinstated by the minister.

GC chief executive McFarland, however, remains under continued police investigation following a parlimentary report.

Premier O'Farrell says a GC employee and GC volunteer, may face charges.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/s...put-on-hold/?cs=2452 .. coffee

http://www.centralwesterndaily...to-industrial-court/ .. coffee
 
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I'm sure Ms.Noble isn't overjoyed at the prospect of GC access to the habitat adjoining her fee for hunt operation. There's still a lot more of this tale yet to be told.
 
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Game Council leader charged. .. coffee



The Game Council's role as the guardian of ethical hunting has been further damaged after a senior manager and a longtime volunteer were charged with a total of 17 offences relating to illegal hunting and trespassing on private land.

Police in Orange seized firearms from the home of Greg McFarland, the former acting chief executive of the Game Council, and suspended his gun licence.

Mr McFarland, 50, faces nine separate charges, including two of firing a weapon onto enclosed lands, entering land with a firearm, hunting without permission and entering a national park without permission.

The other man charged is Edward Hoogenboom, 66, of Orange. The retired telecommunications worker is a veteran Game Council volunteer who has taken part in gun safety programs. All reference to him has been removed from the Game Council website. Police also confiscated weapons from his home when they charged both men at 8pm on Friday.

Mr McFarland has been suspended on full pay since Fairfax Media revealed in January that he was one of two men being investigated over the inhumane killing of a feral goat at a remote property 110 kilometres south of Cobar.

The owner of the vast Karwarn cattle station, Diane Noble, had reported a Game Council vehicle seen driving through the Yathong nature reserve before allegedly breaking a fence and entering the property in pursuit of a male goat.

Pictures of the dead goat, stripped of its ''trophy horns'' will form part of the police case.

Both men will answer charges of ''driving a vehicle into park not on road into or traversing park'', as well as possessing a prohibited weapon in a nature reserve and possessing a firearm in a State Forest.

It is understood police will allege that the pair's illegal hunting activities were not confined to the one incident in December. Mr McFarland's solicitor David King-Christopher told the Central Western Daily on Saturday that the charges related to alleged incidents on December 28 and 29 in the Byrock and Cobar area but may not relate to the incident at Karwarn.

Mr King-Christopher said his client intended to fight the charges. Mr Hoogenboom did not return calls.

News of the charges will be a further blow to the credibility of the Game Council, which had been tasked with overseeing the introduction of shooting in the state's national parks. It was the allegations against Mr McFarland that forced Premier Barry O'Farrell to call a review into the governance of the Game Council.

The introduction of hunting in national parks has been delayed until at least June but unions representing park workers, as well as the opposition and Greens, have called for it to be scrapped.

The matter will also call into question the role of the Shooters Party MPs, Robert Borsak and Robert Brown, both former heads of the Game Council. Mr Borsak called for a boycott of Fairfax Media when the investigation was revealed.

He conducted his own investigation, the results of which were posted on a forum on the Australian Bowhunting website. He found that Mr McFarland and Mr Hoogenboom had been checking signs in the area when they met a party of hunters from Victoria.

''Greg and Eddie came across a couple of groups of hunters, stopped [and] talked to them, handed out business cards and went on their way,'' Mr Borsak wrote.

''Someone from this group [from Victoria] shot that goat, took its head and was either found out by the owner or decided to cover their tracks by lying about who did it. Either way these fellows lied about the whole affair…

''Greg … [has] been suspended, the GC's reputation has been tarnished … but it/we will be vindicated, I guarantee that, so does Brown.''

The Game Council's chairman John Mumford expressed disappointment over the charges saying his organisation ''will not tolerate deviation from the rules''.

The council said that it does not believe that the alleged actions of two individuals compromise the agency.

All matters are listed for mention before Cobar Local Court on May 16.

 
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Old news now.

Heath Aston and the SMH have a hard-on for the Game Council and the NP's hunting program .... They make-out like McFarland was the frikken CEO of the thing...


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CEO he was not, acting chief executive of the GC Mcfarland was,
when he ALLEGEDLY committed multiple offences in different parts of the country.

I dont see the GC currently defending McFarland and Hoogenboom, in the way the GC supported Mr Mallen.
I prefer to trust the investigation process by the NSW police over that of ex GC executive, R.Borsak.
 
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CEO he was not, acting chief executive of the GC McFarland was,
when he ALLEGEDLY committed multiple offences in different parts of the country.

I dont see the GC currently defending McFarland and Hoogenboom, like they defended Mr Mallen.
Acting Chief - nothing... leader - nothing - Unlike "Blow to Game Council as leaders charged over hunt"

What a joke of a headline... SMH will do anything to further their case against GC, SFP, rec hunters.

No - the Game Council isnt defending them, how can they defend them when they have been charged?? They defended Mallen because he wasnt even present, despite Heath Aston's claims in the SMH.

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I prefer to trust the investigation of the NSW police over that of ex GC executive R.Borsak.
What is THAT supposed to mean? Who claimed Borsak was investigating?


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Oh - and Hoogenboom now reported in the print media - saying that hunters shouldn't be allowed into National Parks


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No - the Game Council isnt defending them, how can they defend them when they have been charged?? They defended Mallen because he wasnt even present,



Early in the piece,
the council's chairman, John Mumford, was quoted as saying it was an 'unfounded smear campaign' by Fairfax,

Sounds to me like he was defending the suspended game council employees.

Its best to wait till one sees the results of the police investigation on Mallen and McFarland,
before one makes such a claim, dont you think???

On what basis did Mumford determine the GC staff implicated were innocent of the allegations/victims of a smear campaign?

Clearly the NSW police dont think they were all unfounded allegations.

Mumfords subsequent statement[April 6th] following police investigation, differs somewhat from his earlier 'smear campaign by fairfax' approach.


MEDIA STATEMENT

Game Council NSW Chairman John Mumford today voiced his disappointment over the charges laid against a Game Council employee and a volunteer alleging a number of firearm and trespass related offences.
The Council does not believe that the alleged actions of two individuals compromises the agency or its abilities to undertake its statutory functions’
As a result of the Council’s co-operation and close involvement with the NSW Police investigation into these matters, CEO Mr Brian Boyle has delegated the functions of Game Council Division Head to the Director General of the Department of Primary Industries with regards to pending disciplinary action against the employee.
Mr Mumford said, “This organisation is responsible for the regulation and supervision of licensed hunting in NSW. It will not tolerate any deviation from the rules.
“Maintaining the integrity of the regulatory process is our first and foremost priority and the Council is committed to taking the necessary steps to maintain public confidence in the regulations which govern licensed hunting in NSW.”
In addition to the Premier’s governance review, Game Council NSW has initiated a series of external, independent audits conducted by IAB Services of its processes, policies and systems for regulating the hunting activities of Game Council NSW appointees and employees and ensuring the integrity of the regulatory regime for hunting in NSW.
Game Council looks forward to the results of these investigations and the opportunity to ensure its policies and procedures, codes of practice, corporate governance comply with government standards.
Mr Mumford said the Council would continue to assist police and act in the best interests of all stakeholders.
As the matter remains subject to ongoing legal proceedings, Game Council NSW will not make any further comment at this time.
ENDS
Media Contact: Amy Warr P: (02) 6360 5103, M: 0429 991 824 or amy.warr@gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au
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Oh - and Hoogenboom now reported in the print media - saying that hunters shouldn't be allowed into National Parks


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/seas...-20130411-2hokl.html ... coffee

But is fine with hunters going onto private property and state forests.

Hoogenboom is entilted to his opinion and is not obligated to agree with everything the GC wants.
I hope no one thinks he is anti-hunting or anti-Game Council, just because he does not agree with hunting in a NP.
 
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I prefer to trust the investigation of the NSW police over that of ex GC executive R.Borsak.
What is THAT supposed to mean? Who claimed Borsak was investigating?


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23rd January 2013, 08:25 PM

This is from Rob Borsak, Shooters and Fishers State representative. More info on this baloney

Well here it is after a day of looking closely and talking to many, this is the way we see it, yet to be verified in detail, but many sourced reports have come in, this is my speculation on what happened,

Firstly, we have already come out firing and the first in line is the Minister, they have handled this BS shockingly, they knew about these so called "allegations" a week ago, yet do nothing and hang our blokes and the good name of the GC out to dry!...........gutless and stupid, there will be a political dimension to this stuff.

1. Greg McFarland and Edward Hoogenboom were in the Forest on the 28th December returning from a private hunting trip, elsewhere, I don't know where, they went through the SF (Yathong) to photograph NPWS signs that incorrectly identified the SF as a Nat Park (Reserve?). Whilst there Greg and Eddie came across a couple of groups of hunters, stopped talked to them, handed out business cards and went on their way.
2. These pics of the signs were sent to NPWS subsequently asking for the signage to be corrected as we all know this SF is open for hunting until 2021, based on amendments that went through the Parl. last year.
3. Andy Mallen wasn't within over 400 klms of all this on the 28th Dec, its simple and easily verified.
4. Now this is the interesting part...... one of the groups that was met by Greg and Eddie was allowed to hunt pigs and only pigs on the private property that Greg etc was alleged to have broken into, not allowed to shoot goats as these are a commercial item on this property and worth money.
5. Someone from this group shot that goat, took its head and was either found out by the owner or decided to cover their tracks by lying about who did it. Either way these fellows lied about the whole affair in order that they get out of trouble.
6. Having been lied too and not wanting "their" goats shot on SF property, they complained not to the GC but to the NPWS or the GC Ministers office.
7. NPWS leaked it to the SMH ...... who we know has a long track record of campaigning against the GC, SFP me etc and there you have the beat up, magnified by the lies told by others and poorly reported and lied about by the SMH. Where this nonsense about trophy shooters shooting in the head comes from is no secret, its a complete fabrication, as is the alleged police investigation. Only a complete Green could make up a story that trophy hunters head shoot, so you know its a lie and a complete fabrication, it never happens in real hunting life.

Greg and Andy have been suspended, the GC's reputation has been tarnished.......... but it/we will be vindicated, I guarantee that, so does Brown.

Anyone that for one moment thinks that any of this trash is true is a goose.

The campaign being waged against us all by the Greens, SMH and the ABC is failing badly when they are reduced to this sort of easily refuted tissue of lies and personal attacks on public servants.

There will be a terrible political get square out of all this.

Andy Mallen, probably the most decent, honorable ethical man I know has been horribly defamed, I hope he pursues his rights under law to the full extent available and takes all these clowns to the cleaners.

Remember going on stories by the same reporter and the same paper, at least twice in the last two odd years, I have been under police investigation for perjury, I am going to be thrown out of Parliament and I should be in gaol! None of it even approaches any part of the truth.... its all a BIG lie, as is this whole story.



So is Borsaks view expressed above based on police investigation?..
In light of the series of charges laid by police after their lengthy investigation,
I seriously doubt it is.

Who's investigative process was Borsak then trusting?

Borsak tells us anyone who does not believe his version of the events concerning suspension of GC staff, is an idiot[goose]
and that he guarantees their innocence.... lets just wait see what the Magistrate/court determines come May.
 
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So are they guilty or not?



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Don't be a goose Trax - have a look at the date on that statement. Borsak has since stated that his initial assessment was misguided at best (in relation to McFarlane and co). Wanna make a point? Oh yeah of course you do - I've got a pretty good idea who you are now... the disenfranchised who secretly work against us.

Gryphon - no matter what people think and/or allege they did... the guys deserve their day in court. We would be prejudicing his case if we comment about his guilt or innocence.


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The one person initially suspended who has been found innocent is Andy Mallam.

He provided telephone records, emails & witness statements immediately following his suspension. proving he was not anywhere near the alleged location.

It is my understanding that the evidence was checked by the police & a report provided to the Minister. the Minister subsequently exonerated Mr Mallam & withdrew his suspension..................He has been back on duty for some considerable time.

It is disappointing to see Mr Mallam's name dragged into the rebirth of this thread when the Minister for Primary Industries has made a public statement about Mr Mallam & his innocence.
Mr Mallam is not the subject of any further prosecution proceedings in this matter. He may be taking defamation action regarding the public allegations tho.

The other pair are entitled to their day in court . Its inappropriate to comment on their guilt or innocence until a judgement is handed down & we all have the opportunity to read the transcripts of evidence.
 
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we all have the opportunity to read the transcripts of evidence.
Maybe... A mate of mine was dragged through court recently and it is going to cost us $800 to get the transcripts...


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Don't be a goose Trax - have a look at the date on that statement. Borsak has since stated that his initial assessment was misguided at best (in relation to McFarlane and co). Wanna make a point? Oh yeah of course you do - I've got a pretty good idea who you are now... the disenfranchised who secretly work against us.


You call me a goose? thats really funny, if anything is Mumford and Borsak who look like real gooses at the moment,
considering they have backtracked on their initial statements.

Mumford & Borsak should have known better not to shoot their mouth off based on mere personal speculation so early in the piece.
They are in a high enough position and should be experienced enough to know better.
Due process ;ie,...the parlimentary enquiry & police investigation, is what they should have endorsed from the start of the claims,
rather than just claim it 'a smear campaign' by Fairfax,NSWNP & the Greens.


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Wanna make a point? Oh yeah of course you do - I've got a pretty good idea who you are now... the disenfranchised who secretly work against us.


Lets see,..
Im glad there are investigations into alleged corruption concerning the issue of NSW coal mining leases,
investigation into alleged corrupt activity by the HSU union official Craig Thompson,
and into the alleged illegal activity of GC staff & volunteers.

If there are GC staff involved in elicit activity that threatens the reputation,image and function of the Game Council and shooting/hunting sports, then yes I do want them investigated and found out and properly delt with.

but somehow you think that I am working against the sport,..you need a serious head check Matt.
 
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It WAS a smear campaign run by Fairfax... they tried to hang Mallen out to dry, with zero evidence. No apology from Heath Aston forthcoming on that - just more questionable articles and headlines by him and them.

Borsak and Mumford did and DO support the police investigation and the internal inquiry. They welcome it!! rotflmo

You can keep concocting lies Peter, just like Fairfax. Fairfax is dying on the vine because they can't lie straight in bed - just like your rival Party. No one trusts either...


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Borsak and Mumford did and DO support the police investigation and the internal inquiry. They welcome it!! rotflmo



yep, after they expressed their worthless opinion based on mere personal speculation, which they both have since backtracked on.
Sure made themselves look like a pair of proper gooses.

.they proport to be intelligent executive, level minded people, correct?

In the statement where Borsak said anyone was a goose for not believing his mere personal speculation on version of events,
he has actually made a right goose of himself in the process....Dumb as.

At that time he was more interested in his own highly speculative personal opinion,
not any facts, or any potential parlimentary or police investigation.

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It WAS a smear campaign run by Fairfax... they tried to hang Mallen out to dry, with zero evidence. No apology from Heath Aston forthcoming on that - just more questionable articles and headlines by him and them.

Considering multiple charges have been laid by Police against a GC executive and worker, suggests they have a body of evidence which they believe can convict the alleged GC people involved.
 
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Who the fuck knows?? thumbdown It's all dirty - Just like our friend Trax here.


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yep, after they expressed their worthless opinion based on mere personal speculation, which they both have since backtracked on.
Sure made themselves look like a pair of proper gooses.

.they proport to be intelligent executive, level minded people, correct?

In the statement where Borsak said anyone was a goose for not believing his mere personal speculation on version of events,
he has actually made a right goose of himself in the process....Dumb as.

At that time he was more interested in his own highly speculative personal opinion,
not any facts, or any potential parlimentary or police investigation.
Borsak tried to hose down scaremongering - so morons like you wouldn't run with it (like you are doing in this thread). His words were badly chosen - at least he is man enough to admit when he is wrong!! Nothing like a bit of honesty from a politician.


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Oh - and Hoogenboom now reported in the print media - saying that hunters shouldn't be allowed into National Parks


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/seas...-20130411-2hokl.html ... coffee

But is fine with hunters going onto private property and state forests.

Hoogenboom is entilted to his opinion and is not obligated to agree with everything the GC wants.
I hope no one thinks he is anti-hunting or anti-Game Council, just because he does not agree with hunting in a NP.
With friends like this - who needs enemies???

Seasoned shooter joins opposition to hunting in state national parks

Date
April 12, 2013

Heath Aston
Heath Aston
Political reporter

EXCLUSIVE
Edward Hoogenboom

Charged: Edward Hoogenboom. Photo: Jacky Ghossein

A member of Game Council NSW who is facing criminal charges for allegedly taking part in illegal hunting expeditions says the government should abandon plans to open national parks to shooting.

The surprise admission by Edward Hoogenboom, a long-time Game Council volunteer, has highlighted a rift within hunting circles about whether allowing amateur hunters to cull feral animals in national parks is a good idea.

Some hunters, including former vice-chairman of the Shooters and Fishers Party Jim Pirie, fear a death - identified as a ''major risk'' by the Office of Environment and Heritage - could result in a crackdown on firearms and opportunities to hunt.

Hunters are allowed into state forests but gaining access to national parks has been the holy grail for some, including Shooters Party MPs Robert Borsak and Robert Brown.
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After Premier Barry O'Farrell struck a deal with them to pass the government's electricity privatisation laws, the Game Council was given the job of overseeing the national parks program.

But Mr Hoogenboom said on Thursday: ''My own personal opinion is that we shouldn't be shooting in national parks. National parks are for the public, the park users. There are other ways to control feral animals apart from just shooting them - poisoning, for example.''

Mr Hoogenboom was charged last week with eight offences, including hunting without permission, two counts of firing a firearm into enclosed land and possessing a prohibited weapon in a nature reserve. He will face Cobar Local Court next month along with Greg McFarland, the suspended acting Game Council chief executive, who will answer to nine similar charges.

Police in Orange seized firearms from their homes on Friday last week and suspended their gun licences. Both have vowed to fight the charges.

Mr McFarland was stood down on full pay after the Herald revealed in January he was one of two men police were investigating over claims a Game Council vehicle strayed on to private property south of Cobar before killing a goat for its head and ''trophy horns''.

The incident happened on December 28 in the Mount Hope area but Mr Hoogenboom said the charges he faced related to alleged events in Byrock and Cobar on December 28 and 29. He said he had been hunting on a ''paid property'' in Byrock and had permission.

''People shoot on this property seven days a week,'' he said. ''This whole thing is a complete fabrication. I've been caught in a fight between the Game Council and National Parks and Wildlife Service. I'm 66 years old and I've never been in trouble in my life.''

The Public Service Association, which represents park workers, lauded Mr Hoogenboom's stance.

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Borsak tried to hose down scaremongering - so morons like you wouldn't run with it (like you are doing in this thread). His words were badly chosen - at least he is man enough to admit when he is wrong!! Nothing like a bit of honesty from a politician.


So Borsak issues a rash poorly informed high speculation based statement in attempt to prevent the wrong message getting out?, ..you are kidding me right?
... but himself in the process also chooses the wrong set of words to do so....double up on dumb!

what a hilariously dumb rash and irresponsible course of action.

IF Borsak wanted to be an honest politician,
he should have just said he didnt really know what really happened, rather than issuing a highly speculative statement,calling anyones elses information as incorrect.

Your idea of honest politician[in Borsak] is really strange.
 
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So Borsak issues statement in attempt to prevent the wrong message getting out, but himself chooses the wrong set of words to do so.

what a hilariously dumb irresponsible course of action.
rotflmo Not 1/10 as dumb as some of the things you have done over the years. What about this failed publicity stunt???

Ivan Milat's Sister

Ivan Milat's sister-in-law running for Senate

By Simon Benson
October 23, 2007 12:00AM


SERIAL killer Ivan Milat's sister-in-law is running on a Senate ticket of relaxing gun laws and claims the psychopath's horrendous crimes were water under the bridge.

Ms Milat who married the jailed serial killer's brother Walter, is one of 35 candidates running for the Liberty and Democracy Party - a party which supports nuclear power, lower taxes and euthanasia, and opposes criminalising victimless crime - in the federal election.

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Ivan 'in the past'

Ms Milat, who lists target shooting as one of her hobbies, told Sydney's The Daily Telegraph newspaper that her brother-in-law's crimes were in the past and she was not concerned that her family associations may harm her chances at a seat in Parliament.

"Its not a problem at all," Ms Milat said. "It's in the past, it's water under the bridge.

"I am saying that it is irrelevant to my candidacy. It doesn't have any connection to it."

Ms Milat lives in the Southern Highlands of NSW. She said she was sick of listening to politicians so she decided to become one and will run as the party's ACT Senate candidate.

"Basically I'm running because I don't like the way the Government is running things," said the swimming teacher and mother of two.

"But I don't think Kevin Rudd will do much better. We are anti-Left, anti-Right, we are pro-liberty."

LDP executive member Peter Whelan said there was no "genetic" connection between Ms Milat and the killer. It was an association by marriage. "We are aware of her brother-in-law being found guilty of murder," he said.

"We have developed thick skin and are prepared for what people might say."

Mr Whelan said the party was registered in the ACT as the Liberal Democratic Party but had to change its name to get registered federally.

Mr Whelan said he voted for Mr Howard in 1996 but left the Liberals over firearms legislation.

"After what he did to us on firearms I'd never vote for him again," Mr Whelan said.

He said he was concerned about Christian right wing members taking over the Liberal Party.

The party's slogan is: "Get the government out of your face and out of your pocket."

The party was also staunchly anti-Green.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/news/mi...703021#ixzz2S096w0JS


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What has that failed publicity stunt got to do with an ordinary AR poster like me?..... bewildered
please tell the forum the full name of the person who you foolishly assume I am.
 
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So what political party are you at the moment anyhow Peter? The Liberal Democratic website hasn't been updated with press releases since 2009, Outdoor Recreation Party hasn't been updated since 2011.... are you planning some new vote-splitting movement or maybe joining with Clive Palmer or what??

Thankfully we have a REAL political party, Shooters & Fishers Party, with REAL politicians in elected positions - including our newly elected WA representative.... A great party for all outdoor users to get behind!! Even the disgruntled!!


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Peter...who?.... bewildered


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So what political party are you at the moment anyhow Peter? The Liberal Democratic website hasn't been updated with press releases since 2009, Outdoor Recreation Party hasn't been updated since 2011.... are you planning some new vote-splitting movement or maybe joining with Clive Palmer or what??

Thankfully we have a REAL political party, Shooters & Fishers Party, with REAL politicians in elected positions - including our newly elected WA representative.... A great party for all outdoor users to get behind!! Even the disgruntled!!


Peter...who?.... bewildered

Please fully identify the person who you are refering to, cause I dont have the slightest idea.

did you not learn from Mumford and Borsaks errors, not to make rash dumb unfounded claims?

Although Heath Aston did not apologise to Andy Mullen,[which you are pissed over]
I gather you will be the better man an apologise for falsely accusing me of being some
particular political identity against hunting.

Please tell the forum who this 'Peter' person is, in distinct detail.
 
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Oh - and Hoogenboom now reported in the print media - saying that hunters shouldn't be allowed into National Parks


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/seas...-20130411-2hokl.html ... coffee

But is fine with hunters going onto private property and state forests.

Hoogenboom is entilted to his opinion and is not obligated to agree with everything the GC wants.
I hope no one thinks he is anti-hunting or anti-Game Council, just because he does not agree with hunting in a NP.
With friends like this - who needs enemies???



Hoogenboom is not anti-gun or anti-hunting and his view on NP is not against the law.
He aggress with hunting in other places , just not in national Parks.

However if it is proven that GC senior staff were conducting illicit activity and are so convicted,
then they threaten the current freedoms [and potential ones] alloted to law abiding gun owners and adversly effect the public image of hunters and the GC.
thus giving entities like Fairfax,Greens ABC,NSWNP the solid ammunition they need.
 
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Please tell the forum who this 'Peter' person is, in distinct detail.
Well 'Trax', if you aren't Peter 'Wheels' Whelan then you closely follow his anti-SFP, divisive playbook, in great detail.


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However if it is proven that GC senior staff were conducting illicit firearms activity and are so convicted,
then they threaten the current freedoms [and potential ones] alloted to law abiding gun owners - and adversly effect the public image of hunters and the GC.
thus giving entities like Fairfax,Greens ABC,NSWNP the solid ammunition they need.
A Game Council employee and a volunteer are accused of illegal hunting activity - OK - let's wait and see what happens. Crying on here about things Robert Borsak says wont help the situation will it? No wait - I don't think you are interested in helping the situation.


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There is nothing devisive about my comments.

I simply dont like people like Mumford and Borsak representing the GC and the hunting sports,
making dumb rash unconsidered statements that end up embarrasing or reflecting badly on the shooting hunting fraternity.

I also like to see anyone suspected of doing anything illegal concerning hunting or firearms, properly investigated.

That is not being anti-guns,anti hunting or devicive.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Crying on here about things Robert Borsak says wont help the situation will it? No wait - I don't think you are interested in helping the situation.



And you whining about Aston not apologising to Andy Mallen somehow helps the current situation?
Do you regularly go by double standards?
 
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There is nothing devisive about my comments.

I simply dont like people like Mumford and Borsak representing the GC and the hunting sports,
making dumb rash unconsidered statements that end up embarrasing or reflecting badly on the shooting hunting fraternity.

I also like to see anyone suspected of doing anything illegal concerning hunting or firearms, properly investigated.

That is not being anti-guns,anti hunting or devicive.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Crying on here about things Robert Borsak says wont help the situation will it? No wait - I don't think you are interested in helping the situation.



And you whining about Aston not apologising to Andy Mallen somehow helps the current situation?
Do you regularly go by double standards?
You are a laugh-a-minute - there is a big difference between some comments someone made on an obscure bowhunting forum - compared to unsubstantiated CRAP that a supposed journalist writes in one of Australia's most widely read newspapers and posted online Roll Eyes It isnt just the apology either.... it is the innuendo, the leading and incorrect headlines and copy that that paper continues to publish about this incident to this very day. and propogated and encouraged by you it appears.


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there is a big difference between some comments someone made on an obscure bowhunting forum - compared to unsubstantiated CRAP that a supposed journalist writes in one of Australia's most widely read newspapers and posted online


THE press got a hold of what was on the Bowhunting Forum., which you think is insignificant.
The press did not share the same view, cause Fairfax mentions they found it there.
Shooters Party MP Browns statement is also posted on the bow forum.

Considering Borsak and MumFord well know that a certain anti-hunting group is out to get the hunting/shooting fraternity,
then they should be more careful and aware how easily their statements can be made available to the public.
A fellow hunter I gather posted Borsaks dumb statement on the bow forum, and the anti-gun press hunting for information, surprise,surprise,..found it.

IF I found a silly statement like that issued by Borsak, the last thing I would do is make it public so the press could more easily find it.
 
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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
there is a big difference between some comments someone made on an obscure bowhunting forum - compared to unsubstantiated CRAP that a supposed journalist writes in one of Australia's most widely read newspapers and posted online


THE press got a hold of what was on the Bowhunting Forum., which you think is insignificant.
The press did not share the same view, cause Fairfax mentions they found it there.
Shooters Party MP Browns statement is also posted on the bow forum.

Considering Borsak and MumFord well know that a certain anti-hunting group is out to get the hunting/shooting fraternity,
then they should be more careful and aware how easily their statements can be made available to the public.
A fellow hunter I gather posted Borsaks dumb statement on the bow forum, and the anti-gun press hunting for information, surprise,surprise,..found it.

IF I found a silly statement like that issued by Borsak, the last thing I would do is make it public so the press could more easily find it.
and you would be the kind to bring it to the media's attention.


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