quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
and you would be the kind to bring it to the media's attention.

Really? ... ... Considering I have just piled criticism on those high Profile Shooters Party MPs and GC identities who made [and those who posted] ill conceived statements on behalf of the hunting fraternity,
I would say it is the exact opposite!

a rather piss poor substanceless comeback by you Matt.

you clearly have trouble comprehending even the most simple & concise statements...

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:
IF I found a silly statement like that issued by Borsak, the last thing I would do is make it public so the press could more easily find it.

better stick to something you are good at, the skill of sensible rational discussion & debate is not one of those things.

This one is just so ridiculously stupid!

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Borsak tried to hose down scaremongering - so morons like you wouldn't run with it (like you are doing in this thread). His words were badly chosen - at least he is man enough to admit when he is wrong!! Nothing like a bit of honesty from a politician.

but in the process bright spark Borsak & Co, created highly speculative unsubstantiated version of events, that the press hounds caught and ran with nationally!
ending up with egg on his face.
He made himself his own and the huntings fraternities, own worst enemy on a national scale ...so who is the real moron?

but you are somehow concerned about what I report/discuss on the AR forum?
.. you did say hunting forums are obscure compared to the effect of having things plastered in the national press.

A high profile hunting GC identity & Shooter Party MP,.. himself creates a highly speculative unsubstantiated version of events concerning alleged criminal activity of a hunting org. he was once executive of,
in attempt to counteract a supposedly unsubstantiated version events reported by the anti-gun media,

Such is not a considered intelligent approach, it only brings the image/credibility of the hunting fraternity down to the level of some of the anti-hunting fraternity and media.

When a politician invents and issues an unbsubstanciated version of events claiming it to be the truth
[ without due consideration to what effect such an issued statement can have],
I dont consider that intelligent or honest, - no matter which party,interest or group that politician represents.

You are SO good at twisting and spinning shit to suit your own agenda... you should try for a job at Fairfax.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
You are SO good at twisting and spinning shit to suit your own agenda... you should try for a job at Fairfax.

The fact that a high profile GC identity and Shooters Party MP created an ill-conceived politically convenient highly unsubstantiated story concerning the alleged criminal activity of the GC he was once executive of,
knowing that it could be made available to the antihunting national press hounds,
Is not spin or BS.

It was Borsak that did some real spin doctoring , you think he should get a job at Fairfax?

You are just finding it difficult to tolerate any rational acceptance of the cold hard impartial facts.

You really need to detail your definition of what you consider an 'honest' politician.

RE; My agenda...

I dont want or like representive politicians lying through silly political expediency, cause the shooting fraternity already has enough public image problems,
without the shooting sports identities & MPs proporting to be be on the shooters side, adding to them.

No I know what the cold hard facts are - you are purposefully trying to undermine the good work of the SFP, just as you have always done... then shrug your shoulders and claim you are doing nothing wrong and aren't helping the anti's - like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth. Anyone else would just drop it. You will continue your attacks - that's your MO... and I will challenge it.

Yesterday the NSW govt announced another 2 week extension to the inquiry, so that the auditor could attend a full Council meeting. I suppose that is Borsak's fault too...

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
No I know what the cold hard facts are - you are purposefully trying to undermine the good work of the SFP, just as you have always done...

Always done?.. so you still ignorantly think I am that 'Peter' guy you accused me of being? ...still stuck on stupid are you?

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Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
No - the Game Council isnt defending them, how can they defend them when they have been charged?? They defended Mallen because he wasnt even present,

Early in the piece,
the council's chairman, John Mumford, was quoted as saying it was an 'unfounded smear campaign' by Fairfax,

Sounds to me like he was defending the suspended game council employees.

Its best to wait till one sees the results of the police investigation on Mallen and McFarland,
before one makes such a claim, dont you think???

On what basis did Mumford determine the GC staff implicated were innocent of the allegations/victims of a smear campaign?

Clearly the NSW police dont think they were all unfounded allegations.

Mumfords subsequent statement[April 6th] following police investigation, differs somewhat from his earlier 'smear campaign by fairfax' approach.


MEDIA STATEMENT

Game Council NSW Chairman John Mumford today voiced his disappointment over the charges laid against a Game Council employee and a volunteer alleging a number of firearm and trespass related offences.
The Council does not believe that the alleged actions of two individuals compromises the agency or its abilities to undertake its statutory functions’
As a result of the Council’s co-operation and close involvement with the NSW Police investigation into these matters, CEO Mr Brian Boyle has delegated the functions of Game Council Division Head to the Director General of the Department of Primary Industries with regards to pending disciplinary action against the employee.
Mr Mumford said, “This organisation is responsible for the regulation and supervision of licensed hunting in NSW. It will not tolerate any deviation from the rules.
“Maintaining the integrity of the regulatory process is our first and foremost priority and the Council is committed to taking the necessary steps to maintain public confidence in the regulations which govern licensed hunting in NSW.”
In addition to the Premier’s governance review, Game Council NSW has initiated a series of external, independent audits conducted by IAB Services of its processes, policies and systems for regulating the hunting activities of Game Council NSW appointees and employees and ensuring the integrity of the regulatory regime for hunting in NSW.
Game Council looks forward to the results of these investigations and the opportunity to ensure its policies and procedures, codes of practice, corporate governance comply with government standards.
Mr Mumford said the Council would continue to assist police and act in the best interests of all stakeholders.
As the matter remains subject to ongoing legal proceedings, Game Council NSW will not make any further comment at this time.
ENDS
Media Contact: Amy Warr P: (02) 6360 5103, M: 0429 991 824 or amy.warr@gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au
www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au

This post just proves how far you are away from telling the truth.

Mallen has not been, never was charged.

"Unfounded smear campaign" referred to SMH's unfounded allegations about Mallen.
Mallen was cleared of any misdoings, very early on.

Mumford "Voicing his disappointment over the charges" = disappointment that GC associates might have been involved in illegal activity. Mumford confirms this in para 3 of the statement. "It will not tolerate any deviation from the rules."

At least try and present some facts - not fabrication.

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by Matt Graham:
This post just proves how far you are away from telling the truth.

Mallen has not been, never was charged.

"Unfounded smear campaign" referred to SMH's unfounded allegations about Mallen.
Mallen was cleared of any misdoings, very early on.

Mumford "Voicing his disappointment over the charges" = disappointment that GC associates might have been involved in illegal activity. Mumford confirms this in para 3 of the statement. "It will not tolerate any deviation from the rules."

At least try and present some facts - not fabrication.

Where did I say Mallen was charged?... I only stated he was suspended.

Your vivid imagination is hard at work again and your comprehension skill remain poor.

You also accused me of being "Peter' before actually asking me if I am that person....presumtuously dumb you are!

This is what I posted some time back concerning Mallen,
There is no mention by me anywhere in this thread about any charges being laid against him.

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Originally posted by Trax: posted 07 March 2013 10:09

Mr Mallen was cleared of any wrong doing very early in the piece and was reinstated by the minister.

GC chief executive McFarland, however, remains under continued police investigation following a parlimentary report.

Premier O'Farrell says a GC employee and GC volunteer, may face charges.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/s...put-on-hold/?cs=2452 ..

http://www.centralwesterndaily...to-industrial-court/ ..

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

by Matt Graham:
This post just proves how far you are away from telling the truth.

Mallen has not been, never was charged.

"Unfounded smear campaign" referred to SMH's unfounded allegations about Mallen.
Mallen was cleared of any misdoings, very early on.

Mumford "Voicing his disappointment over the charges" = disappointment that GC associates might have been involved in illegal activity. Mumford confirms this in para 3 of the statement. "It will not tolerate any deviation from the rules."

At least try and present some facts - not fabrication.

Where did I say Mallen was charged?... I only stated he was suspended.

Your vivid imagination is hard at work again and your comprehension skill remain poor.

You wrote this on the 30th April. My comprehension is just fine.

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

Its best to wait till one sees the results of the police investigation on Mallen and McFarland,
before one makes such a claim, dont you think???

quote:

by Matt Graham:

"Unfounded smear campaign" referred to SMH's unfounded allegations about Mallen.

Matt, you need to get your facts complete & correct and stop conveniently ignoring or 'fabricating' certain things.

http://www.sportingshootermag....out-at-fairfax-media ...

In a very strongly worded statement that left no doubt about the anger felt by the Game Council’s board, Mr Mumford has condemned Fairfax Media for supporting an “unfounded smear campaign” by anti-hunting interests against the Game Council and its employees.

If Mumford was only refering to Mallen he would not say 'employees'

Its obvious he means the smear campaign was against both Mallen and McFarland.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:


You wrote this on the 30th April. My comprehension is just fine.


[quot]Originally posted by Trax:

Its best to wait till one sees the results of the police investigation on Mallen and McFarland,
before one makes such a claim, dont you think???
[endquot]

Yes I did post that, and clearly no mention by me of any charges against Mallen.
so you comprehension remains poor and your vivid imagination remains rather active.

that post is in reference to Mumford statement ' a smear campaign against GC employees"

at that time McFarland was still under investigation, before being charged,

Mumford at the time could not affirm that the allegations against both GC employees concerned ,were just all a smear campaign.
A thorough police investigation later revealed otherwise,concerning McFarland.

yet Mumford went on to say this:


quote;
Mr Mumford said Mallen’s vindication put the allegations against Game Council acting boss Greg McFarland in doubt. “Game Council has total confidence in the two staff members: we have one clear with one to go,” Mr Mumford said.

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

by Matt Graham:

"Unfounded smear campaign" referred to SMH's unfounded allegations about Mallen.

Matt, you need to get your facts correct and stop conveniently 'fabricating' things.

http://www.sportingshootermag....out-at-fairfax-media ...

In a very strongly worded statement that left no doubt about the anger felt by the Game Council’s board, Mr Mumford has condemned Fairfax Media for supporting an “unfounded smear campaign” by anti-hunting interests against the Game Council and its employees.

If Mumford was only refering to Mallen he would not say 'employees'

Its obvious he means the smear campaign was against both Mallen and McFarland.

well SMH was fabricating 'news' about both people - and still. Does that look like a smear campaign against GC - YES!!!

The media fabricated some things,..[surprised?]
Borsak fabricated some things,
and you fabricate things in this thread.

According to your vivid imagination;

I am 'Peter' who posted on AR that Mallen was charged...

you sure are desperate to win this debate but make a right fool of yourself in the process,
as your silly claims are completely unsubstantiated.

IF you are happy to continue making such an idiot of yourself, then please continue with such approach.

You still have not defined your definition of an 'honest' politician.

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:
you are desperate to win this debate and are making an obvious fool of yourself, because your silly claims are completely unsubstantiated.

IF you are happy to continue making an idiot of yourself, then please continue with such approach.

ahhhh - out comes the old cherry!!! Nice bluff - but who is desperate here??

I dont need to win anything - I know you will go on and on ad nauseum, making stuff up!!

Why do you say I am making stuff Up?...


I have claerly backed-documented on the forum my claims
concerning the fabrications by you and Borsak.

Why is it you are not able to do the same concerning me?

its really simple;...

rationally show the forum how you know me to be 'Peter'

and show where I said that Mallen was charged.

and anyone who calls a politician 'honest' after its proved that politician
fabricated a convenient story, surely aint the sharpest tool in the cabinet.

You can PM me your true details, in confidence, if you like!! Like I said, if you aren't Peter Whelan, you sure follow his MO.

I am done here anyhow - this banter must be getting boring for readers. If and when BO'F cancels the NP hunting program... let's revisit this and proportion blame. Until then - there is very little see here!

IN other words you say I am "Peter' based on pure supposition,

you cannot confirm who I really am without me actually assisting you in confirming who I really am,

nor can you back your fabrication that ,I said Mallen was charged.

...boy you are weak & pathetic, and a right simpleton.

Still no def of what you consider a 'honest' politician?

NO surprise, as you have extreme trouble being honest with yourself.
You vivid imagination has a complete strangle hold over the rational portion of your mind.

Did anyone hear the joke about the ......?

This space for hire.................

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:
IN other words you say I am "Peter' based on pure supposition,

you cannot confirm who I really am without me actually assisting you in confirming who I really am,

nor can you back your fabrication that ,I said Mallen was charged.

...boy you are weak & pathetic, and a right simpleton.

Still no def of what you consider a 'honest' politician?

NO surprise, as you have extreme trouble being honest with yourself.
You vivid imagination has a complete strangle hold over the rational portion of your mind.

Last word!!!