My rifle and load for now: https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/423105527

I'm getting about 8" of muzzle jump with the 12.5 lb. setup above. I've been looking at muzzle breaks like this: http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=576312
Its a Holland's Quick Discharge Brake, Chrome Moly

Want to hear the pros and cons of 'um.

cja

All muzzle brakes (sp) work to one degree or another. But they all have their trade offs. Some are noisy, some deflect gasses downward which means they cannot be used for prone shooting, some are cheap but wear out quickly. The better ones, such as the Holland's, work well but I don't think you should expect a 30-06 to be tamed to the point of a 204 Ruger. A 50% reduction in felt recoil would be a more attainable goal.

Like every thing else gunly, they have to kept clean and they ABSOLUTELY MUST be installed by someone who knows what they are doing.

JMHO

Ray

Cheechako summed it up pretty well, except that I don't know of any brakes that work worth a damn that are not quite noisy (a guy did mention one a while back and I meant to try one, but lost the link), and that starts at being loud and gets REAL loud on the shooter or surroundings, depending on the one chosen. Ear protection is essential if you have any hearing left to protect. I've got experience with KDF and Vais brakes, both work very well IMO, but both are LOUD. I've got a KDF on a .300 WM, fairly heavy rifle, but not 12.5 lbs by any means....guessing 9 to 9 1/2 all up, that reduces recoil to a very pleasant shooting level.....hard to quantify, but probably less than a light .270. I have no experience with the Holland so can't comment on it.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
Cheechako summed it up pretty well, except that I don't know of any brakes that work worth a damn that are not quite noisy.
I've got a KDF on a .300 WM, fairly heavy rifle, but not 12.5 lbs by any means....guessing 9 to 9 1/2 all up, that reduces recoil to a very pleasant shooting level.....hard to quantify, but probably less than a light .270.

Thanks for the advise.
I have been told the louder they are the better they work. I'm not trying to reduce the recoil, its manageable right now, I would like to tame the muzzle hop a little.

cj

The ones that direct the gas to the rear, toward the shooter, are the most effective because they tend to pull the gun forward. But they ARE NOISY. If you shoot alone with ear plugs covered by ear muffs you'll be OK. But your shooting buddies may avoid you unless you bring lots of free beer and hot dogs.

Ray

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Originally posted by Cheechako:
cj

The ones that direct the gas to the rear, toward the shooter, are the most effective because they tend to pull the gun forward. But they ARE NOISY. If you shoot alone with ear plugs covered by ear muffs you'll be OK. But your shooting buddies may avoid you unless you bring lots of free beer and hot dogs.

Ray

I have been looking at the ones that direct the gas back from the muzzle and strait out the top.
Most of the friends dont mind, they step back while I shoot a group and then the rifle has to cool down. Let them shoot the .22s for free all day and theres no complaints.

had a smith install a Hollands quick discharge brake on my 308 savage super stricker. it stops muzzel lift now!! yes its louder but its more shootable.wear ear plugs under ear muffs if you value your hearing.all brakes are loud some are better then others. some people wear no hearing protection...........say what????? regards

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Originally posted by jjmp:
had a smith install a Hollands quick discharge brake on my 308 savage super stricker. it stops muzzel lift now!! yes its louder but its more shootable.wear ear plugs under ear muffs if you value your hearing.all brakes are loud some are better then others. some people wear no hearing protection...........say what????? regards

Thank you for your input.

About how much does your rifle weigh?
Was the muzzle lift bad before?

Thanks again.

your welcome,
my savage is a hand-rifle, about 4.5 to 5.5 lbs
yes the muzzle lift was bad it would tork my wrist every time and come up 8.5 too 9 inches off the front rest when i touched off one of my reloads,its got a thumb-hole stock. that Hollands brake ended that punishment,now shes really tame but loud,regards

OK, I went ahead and ordered the Holland's QD break. From all I've read there great, very few complants. Also ordered a Jewell trigger, factory is not up to par by my standards

Once again, thanks for all the input.

I will get pics and an update once installed.

CJ,
try get hold of Bruce McArthur of Flint and Frizzen gunshop, Dixie Hwy, Clarkston, Mi.
I have not spoken to him in a few years but he made some of the best recoil reducing muzzle breaks I have seen and used.

If your muzzle breaks you could always have the barrel shortened to just below the break and it should be fine. If your muzzle is broke, does it affect accuracy?

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Originally posted by 500nitro:
CJ,
try get hold of Bruce McArthur of Flint and Frizzen gunshop, Dixie Hwy, Clarkston, Mi.
I have not spoken to him in a few years but he made some of the best recoil reducing muzzle breaks I have seen and used.

I talked to Bruce today. Thinking about going over to check out his shop on Sat. My girlfriend lives about 1/2 mi form it!! Thanks for the tip!

Bobby

These brakes (Vais Arms) are supposed to be one of the quietest on the market. Have no experience with them so can't personally attest to their quietness/loudness.

http://muzzlebrakes.com/order.htm

The Holland brake is a very good brake. As someone else has already posted, anything that makes a brake "quiet" (that is an oxymoron) reduces the amount of recoil reduction.

www.duanesguns.com

I use a Shrewd (available at Brownell's) on my 300WSM. The gun weighs 18 pounds, recoils like a .243 with it on and does not jump up off the front bag of my machine rest. Take it off, and it will kick your fillings out and leap about five inches out of the bag. I always use it, to say the least...

The ear plugs and muffs together works for me with my Blaser 338 Lapua Tac II. The muzzle hop is zero and the recoil feels like a 3006.
I tried the rifle without the muzzle break to see how it was it seemed worse than my light weight hunter 375 HH Mag rifle.