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Originally posted by surestrike:
It seems to me that the RJ shouldn't have stopped short and if he did should have said something to ground control.

Plain and simple if the RJ would have been where he was supposed to be this collision wouldn't have happened.

Of course there are multiple causal factors but that's the meat and potatoes of the accident.

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Originally posted by f224:

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Originally posted by surestrike:
It seems to me that the RJ shouldn't have stopped short and if he did should have said something to ground control.

Plain and simple if the RJ would have been where he was supposed to be this collision wouldn't have happened.

Of course there are multiple causal factors but that's the meat and potatoes of the accident.

The FAA General Council has issued several opinions and directives about taxi clearances (the kind that can cost your 60 days off and $10k+ in fines). The Port Authority of NY controls the ramp and you must talk to them to get clearance onto the ramp area before you can proceed past the hold line.

I would be cautious about making any comments about ComAir's position until the full report comes out in several months.

Regarding the structure of both aircraft. These airplanes are built to withstand Mach 1 airspeeds, they are amazingly strong for their weight and the limited damage in this low speed impact does not surprise me.

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You are correct caution is in order at this stage. I wonder if there are any cautions/restrictions about that area in regards to wing span on the 10-9 page?

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
This one will take a bit of time to sort out.

That 380 was going too damned fast, whatever the case. Must've been doin 30 knots.

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
This one will take a bit of time to sort out.

That 380 was going too damned fast, whatever the case. Must've been doin 30 knots.

Being that it was an Airbus maybe his brake and steering computer was taking a time out. They do that from time to time. But only on the ground while you are taxing.I shit you not Fred, On the A-320/A-319 if you make any electrical power change IE start an engine and bring a generator online while you are touching the brakes or making a steering input the thing can and will freak out. It might make a hard over turn or apply maximum braking or it might just ignore any and all braking and steering inputs for a moment or two.

So the procedure is if you are going to start an engine or the APU for that matter you during taxi you have to have the engine or APU gen switch off. After the F/O starts the engine during a taxi or the APU he asks you if you are clear. You take your feet off the rudders and brakes and your hands off the tiller and then and only then the F/O brings the gen on line. After it takes power you are safe to start steering and applying brakes again.

I am not kidding..What a great airplane!!

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Originally posted by f224:

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
This one will take a bit of time to sort out.

That 380 was going too damned fast, whatever the case. Must've been doin 30 knots.

Being that it was an Airbus maybe his brake and steering computer was taking a time out. They do that from time to time. But only on the ground while you are taxing.I shit you not Fred, On the A-320/A-319 if you make any electrical power change IE start an engine and bring a generator online while you are touching the brakes or making a steering input the thing can and will freak out. It might make a hard over turn or apply maximum braking or it might just ignore any and all braking and steering inputs for a moment or two.

So the procedure is if you are going to start an engine or the APU for that matter you during taxi you have to have the engine or APU gen switch off. After the F/O starts the engine during a taxi or the APU he asks you if you are clear. You take your feet off the rudders and brakes and your hands off the tiller and then and only then the F/O brings the gen on line. After it takes power you are safe to start steering and applying brakes again.

I am not kidding..What a great airplane!!

After I heard one of our A320 Captains could not explain why the airplane took an unscheduled left turn at the outer marker, I knew I would never bid-or fly that airplane as a crewmember at NWA...

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by f224:

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
This one will take a bit of time to sort out.

That 380 was going too damned fast, whatever the case. Must've been doin 30 knots.

Being that it was an Airbus maybe his brake and steering computer was taking a time out. They do that from time to time. But only on the ground while you are taxing.I shit you not Fred, On the A-320/A-319 if you make any electrical power change IE start an engine and bring a generator online while you are touching the brakes or making a steering input the thing can and will freak out. It might make a hard over turn or apply maximum braking or it might just ignore any and all braking and steering inputs for a moment or two.

So the procedure is if you are going to start an engine or the APU for that matter you during taxi you have to have the engine or APU gen switch off. After the F/O starts the engine during a taxi or the APU he asks you if you are clear. You take your feet off the rudders and brakes and your hands off the tiller and then and only then the F/O brings the gen on line. After it takes power you are safe to start steering and applying brakes again.

I am not kidding..What a great airplane!!

After I heard one of our A320 Captains could not explain why the airplane took an unscheduled left turn at the outer marker, I knew I would never bid-or fly that airplane as a crewmember at NWA...

Dave,

Having extensive experience in both Boeing and Airbus I don't care what anybody says. There has never been an Airbus product built that could can even come close the quality and safety of a Boeing.

The one and ONLY reason Airlines buy Airbuses is that the financing is so cheap they can't afford not to.

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by f224:

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
This one will take a bit of time to sort out.

That 380 was going too damned fast, whatever the case. Must've been doin 30 knots.

Being that it was an Airbus maybe his brake and steering computer was taking a time out. They do that from time to time. But only on the ground while you are taxing.I shit you not Fred, On the A-320/A-319 if you make any electrical power change IE start an engine and bring a generator online while you are touching the brakes or making a steering input the thing can and will freak out. It might make a hard over turn or apply maximum braking or it might just ignore any and all braking and steering inputs for a moment or two.

So the procedure is if you are going to start an engine or the APU for that matter you during taxi you have to have the engine or APU gen switch off. After the F/O starts the engine during a taxi or the APU he asks you if you are clear. You take your feet off the rudders and brakes and your hands off the tiller and then and only then the F/O brings the gen on line. After it takes power you are safe to start steering and applying brakes again.

I am not kidding..What a great airplane!!

After I heard one of our A320 Captains could not explain why the airplane took an unscheduled left turn at the outer marker, I knew I would never bid-or fly that airplane as a crewmember at NWA...

Dave,

Having extensive experience in both Boeing and Airbus I don't care what anybody says. There has never been an Airbus product built that could can even come close the quality and safety of a Boeing.

The one and ONLY reason Airlines buy Airbuses is that the financing is so cheap they can't afford not to.

That's pretty wild about he thing just doing what it wants to. Thought they fixed that tendency when the chief test pilot flew that one into the trees all those years ago. I know I always start to sweat when I board one.