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FYI - The California "Myth"
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Of course everybody is free to choose how and where they conduct business for any reason they want.

But it is simply wrong, that private individuals need to do anything special to ship to an FFL in CA.

The law has been that way since inception.

From the CA DOJ website:

I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California? No. Only shipments from Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL) require a Firearms Shipment Approval number.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cf...%20Approval%20number.

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10181 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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As a long time FFL, I will ship to Commiefornia but it is way more of a headache than it's worth. And then you have to worry about changing regs and possibly being flagged by the ATF for a violation. Probably would be a good idea to work on changing your politicians and regs. Make it easier not harder.


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Posts: 1270 | Location: Bridgeport, Tx | Registered: 20 May 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have shipped to CA and have got the special number from them first. It is very easy, but some guys don't want to do it; seeing it as a further and unnecessary bureaucratic intrusion on their lives.
I knew a guy who shipped everything labeled as go cart axles to everyone. Hasn't been noticed so far. No stinkin numbers for him.
 
Posts: 17438 | Location: USA | Registered: 02 August 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Its a myth but its a problem in that the ffl dealer has to hold the gun 10 days before releasing it to the California buyer, effects the 3day or whatever inspection as the seller has to wait that out..I don't recommend tying up a gun like that.


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Posts: 42295 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Ray,

Actually this doesn't affect the seller or tie up the gun. There is nothing in any law that prevents the FFL from allowing the buyer to inspect the firearm upon or within 3 days of its arrival.

When I lived in CA, I would always go to the FFL upon the guns arrival and open the box and inspect the firearm and notify the seller of any issues or concerns or of my acceptance.

Actually, had a problem with a bad description and told my local FFL - "let's not start the paperwork until this is resolved."


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10181 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Not long ago I went on Gunbroker and tried to bid on a rifle. The seller had listed that he did not sell to CA and I could not even place a bid. I would have had it sent to an out of state FFL that would then send it to a CA FFL. I know that cost the seller several bids from me at minimum. I would have gone up at least another $500 on it, probably $1k. There are a lot of buyers in CA...just sayin.
 
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I sell to CA fairly often, easy enough for me to get the CA DOJ approval.
 
Posts: 1501 | Location: Boulder mountains | Registered: 09 February 2024Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have that problem solved; I allow NO 3 day inspection or any other nonsense; You look at the pictures and the description will be accurate. You bought it. It's yours. Period.
 
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I have that problem solved; I allow NO 3 day inspection or any other nonsense; You look at the pictures and the description will be accurate. You bought it. It's yours. Period.


I'm exactly the opposite....5 day inspection is my standard offer, if you need more time, just ask. I rarely have had a return.
 
Posts: 1501 | Location: Boulder mountains | Registered: 09 February 2024Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Have never had a return! What do you need 3 days to look at it for? If you don't want it, don't buy it.
 
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It's more than a myth, people are so terrified of California they readily feed the panic. I regularly get sellers on this very forum who refuse to ship raw bullets or empty brass to CA... there are no rules prohibiting that what-so-ever.

Divide and conquer... and we are doing it to ourselves.


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Posts: 2520 | Location: Central Coast of CA | Registered: 10 January 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I just tried to get a revolver to CA, Jumped through the hoops only to have the CA DOJ tell me my valid FFL was expired.
I sold the gun to someone else who lived in CO.
Enough of that. I told the CA guy who didn't tell me he lived there until after he agreed to buy, "Where you live is your choice, not my problem".


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All I can say as a person who lives in California, and has been a dedicated gun nut with far too many guns come and gone, is that if a seller writes no sales to California, I simply don’t bother them. Handguns are a problem because of the roster. Semiautomatic rifles are also a potential problem if they are of the AR style but I don’t fiddle with those at all. I’m the guilty party, along with a fellow partner in crime here on this forum, that encouraged dpcd to start accommodating Californians. I gather that has worked out OK for him. But I don’t bother people with it anymore. Life is too short to spend time that way. As long as I’m able, I’m likely to continue with my gun addiction. Those who bought and sold with me I think will say that it’s been a positive experience.
 
Posts: 1035 | Location: Central California Coast | Registered: 05 May 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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"Of course everybody is free to choose how and where they conduct business for any reason they want."

The point of this post is informational. It is not about what folks choose to do.

Many individuals (non-FFLs) believe they can't ship to a California FFL at all or without going through some special process. Simply not true.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike,
That’s right, and that is the point. In fairness though, it can be difficult here in California to find an FFL that will accept a gun from a non-license holder. At least that’s the case in my area. To accommodate that, I have offered to reimburse sellers for any additional expense to a FFL on their end of the transaction. But, as I mentioned above, if a seller feels strongly enough to put in there listing upfront that they don’t sell to California, I simply don’t bother them.
 
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