As I am about to commit to a drilling, has anybody from Germany or Austria experience with these inserts

I am think of a 204

http://www.keppeler-te.de/cms/...g/insert-barrels.php

Then I will have a combination of

20 bore -for Bats in mauratius !
204 -foxes in UK
7x57R for antelopes anywhere

Thanks guys Especially ianF for putting me onto the drilling idea

It seems to be growing on me everyday

The only thing missing from this setup is my Glock 19 around my waist ......

Perhaps one day

Yes, that *can* work, and if it does, it is a very versatile combination.

For many years, the Hornet was the only insert caliber guaranteed not to shoot the break top locking mechanisms loose (Drilling, Over-and-Under etc). I have a Hornet in my Krieghoff Drilling, and I have killed foxes, badgers and various birds with mine.

That was the positive news. Sadly, there is no guarantee that it will work with your Drilling or whatever insert barrel you choose to get. One of the possible SNAFUs is if the insert barrel is just slightly disturbed every time you fire a shot and break open the gun. That will ensure a constantly changing POI, and only you can determine whether this is acceptable or not.

The insert barrels (in general) are a pain in the posterior to sight in, so you really want to leave them inserted as long as possible. Yet, if you leave them in too long, you run the risk of finding the shot barrel full of rust when you finally do remove the insert. So there is a balance to be struck there. Too much oil will cause the POI of the insert to change. The additional weight of the insert barrel also adds quite considerably to the overall weight of the Drilling.

If you do decide to go this way, make sure you get an insert which is full length, and where sight-in adjustments are made from the muzzle. Also, make sure the caliber you choose for your insert matches the pressure and force your particular Drilling is made for. The fact that inserts may be offered in more intensive calibers does not necessarily mean your Drilling is up to that intensity. If not, a Hornet may be an option.

So all in all, it can work, but it may also prove to be unworkable in practice. I have a feeling that a lot of the people (at least down here) who swear by these don't take changes in POI of the insert barrel too seriously. It seems to work best if you are prepared to adopt a "close enough is good enough" attitude.

- mike

I have just spoken to keppler and they are very helpful

They even offer to make me a custom insert that fits my barrel exactly !

An off the shelf insert will invriably have a few thousand of play

This is getting more exciting by the hour and as you say very versatile combination

Foxing in UK with a drilling how cool is that

I think I will zero the 7mm to iron sights and varmint calibre with scope and shotgun barrel without anything of course

Anything I have missed ?

Hey Benjamin,

Have a read here .....

http://forums.accuratereloadin...5105333/m/8651086501

I have Keppeler rifle and it is a VERY nice Boomer, the Guys there are easy to work with.

Another of my hunting Pals is having Keppeler install a 5.6x50 R Magnum insert barrel in his 16 ga./7x65R O/U Combo rifle at the moment; so he'll have a flexible combo w/5.6x50R - 7x65R.

The 204 Ruger a relatively specialized cartridge although the "Fox - Death Ray" dedicated barrel an interesting one.

Thanks Gerry

I have had a cooper in 204 before moved onto a 20 tactical now

I did ask the engineers at keppler about a 20 tactical insert but was faced with a wall of silence so I thought I will stick to what they have on the shelf

I know it won't be approved but again I will fit an adjustable stock to this drilling for perfect fit,

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Originally posted by londonhunter:

Foxing in UK with a drilling how cool is that

I think I will zero the 7mm to iron sights and varmint calibre with scope and shotgun barrel without anything of course

Anything I have missed ?

YES !! It actually gets better than your plan.

Zero the 7x27r with iron sights. THEN attach scope and zero scope with 7x57. (long range/low light)

Then insert .204 barrel and adjust until zero coincides with your zeroed scope.

You then have a scope which is zeroed for BOTH .204 & 7mm.

Dang but we love these things.

I use a Krieghoff insert in .22lr and my eyesight limits me to rabbits at 50m. Point of impact does not seem to change after removal and re-fitting.

Rgds

Ian

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I use a Krieghoff insert in .22lr

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Rgds

Ian

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Originally posted by londonhunter:

Anything I have missed ?

Yes - you're mixing rimmed (good, well done!) with rimless (bad, go to the naughty step!) Rimless cartridges are a real pain in break open rifles.

As for adjustable - why not get a stock made to measure to your dimensions? An adjustable will look like an Aston with a go faster large wing and spoiler fitted.

What drilling are you getting that can handle rimless pressure?

I am now inclined towards ordering a new d99 trio

In 7x65r , 20 bore x 2

With a straight stock

Do you know a stock maker that is well verse in heading a blaser d99?

I use 4 makers for different purposes and none of them have experience with blasers

To be greedy I am considering an insert either in 222 or 5.6x52r

LH,

Blaser offer a full custom fit option from the factory.

'Blaser custom made guns stocks. Individually customised, ergonomic stock measures enhance your shooting performance. Drop, cast and pitch as well as the dimensions of the pistol grip and the cheek are custom-made. Special designs of the gunstock or the cheek are also possible: German cheek, double rabbet, kaisergrip or hogs back. Forearm with recessed grip.'

Rgds

Ian

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
I am now inclined towards ordering a new d99 trio

To be greedy I am considering an insert either in 222 or 5.6x52r

If you are looking for a Blaser D99 with an insert, why not simply get the version with 2 rifle barrels and a shot barrel? Or are you looking to be able to have three rifle barrels?? My gunsmith has a D99 with three rifle barrels, and I find that too heavy. He likes it for his driven hunting, to each his own.

The Blaser D99 looks a bit, how shall I put it, unconventional. But if you can get over that, it is probably the one Drilling which I see producing truely good groups on our shooting range. Most other Drillings will produce "hunting quality" groups - and with some you have to wait for the barrel to cool down between shots. The D99 pretty much shoots with bolt action rifles... Has the Blaser SLK triggers - best in town for combination guns.

- mike

Just come off the phone with Robert sajit ex Mauser now blaser and he is going to arrange for me to visit blaser and shoot various combination before I decide anything.

This will be a day trip and I will update you folks when it is done

Mho you are spot on I decided not to go for the heym for many reasons I don't think I can live with something with hunting accuracy.

In the end there is no choice but to go for a blaser product

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Originally posted by londonhunter:


With a straight stock


To be greedy I am considering an insert either in 222 or 5.6x52r

Londonhunter is showing signs of significant improvement!

The move to 5.6x52R is to be welcomed and probably well suited but you do know the bullet diameter is 0.227" with most factory not to mention bullets coming in 70gr or so and designed for controlled expansion. Also not necessarily designed for tip top accuracy.

To get the best of both worlds you really want a 5.6x50R which offers more velocity and the ability to handle up to 60gr standard soft points and 70gr semi pointed coming as it does with a 1 in 12.5" twist. It is a FANTASTIC calibre.

I can see I have been slowly moulded into some form of masonic ritualistic shooting society inner circle whereby only rimmed cartridges are acceptable

Right ?

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masonic ritualistic shooting society inner circle whereby only rimmed cartridges are acceptable

Correct.

There is no other (Richard is spot-on) The 5.6x50R Magnum; all other is shite.

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Originally posted by 1894mk2:
To get the best of both worlds you really want a 5.6x50R which offers more velocity and the ability to handle up to 60gr standard soft points and 70gr semi pointed coming as it does with a 1 in 12.5" twist. It is a FANTASTIC calibre.

I agree with 1894 and Gerry, if you want a rimmed .22 cal the 5.6x50R is a great option. The key is to ensure that you get a barrel with a comparatively slow twist to be able to handle heavier bullets - such as the 60-70 grs 1894 suggests. The 5.6x50R used to be kitted with 1:14 barrels, which ruled out heavier bullets, but I think that was in days past? The light bullets at high speed gave the caliber a bad rap for creating a lot of bloodshot meat, but that will be largely be fixed with heavier bullets. Worth checking in any event. You want a twist rate like 1:12, 1:10, or even 1:9...

The 5.6x52R is also pretty popular here on the Continent, but I have personally always shied away from this Savage cartridge due to its "non-standard" bullet diameter. Too much of a pain in the posterior when shopping for components.

- mike

I can see blaser going crazy over this order a trio with custom twist over each barrel

Then again it's going to be a custom gun

Anybody interested in a blaser factory visit in sept / October
Or later and combine it with a boar trip ?

I don't actually think it is necessary to specify a custom twist rate for a Blaser 5.6x50R. 1894 shoots his 5.6x50R in a Blaser (K95 - if memory serves), and if he says the Blaser barrel will stabilize 60-70 grs bullets, I suspect you are good to go.

This website

http://www.blaserpro.com/twistrates.php

specifies the Blaser 5.6x50R barrels as 1:12, which I guess will be fine.

- mike