Trying to figure out what it would cost to duplicate these rifles.

Here's my guesstimate.

New commercial Mauser action $2500-3500
Custom barrel with 1/4 rib, octagonal, or sights all integral $2500
Grade 8 or 9 walnut blank $1500
Custom stocking from a maker $2500
Engraving $4000
Integral scope mounts $1200
German big 3 scope with rail $1500-2000

So that's $15,000 ball park for these guns.

If you love them or hate them, you have to admire the work that went into them.

Hi guy,
this are super-nice guns, but like you say it's not for hunting!!!
Do you remember the Christoph Funk rifle I told you some months ago?? I buy it!!! In the next days I'll post some pics.

Faina

Sounds great,

Can't wait to see them.

I miss Italy, by the way! 6 months and I miss it. I'll be there for a few hours next week. Not long enough for sure.

I don't really understand why they put those slow, complicated and unsafe set triggers on such a nice gun.

If set triggers were of any advantage, target shooters would use them.

D99

Ferlach is in Austria ( Carinthia ) in Germany you can buy only Curry Wurst

Seloushunter

Mbogo,

I know hwere they are, just didn't take the time to write out a big explaination.

I like single set triggers better, yes a really good trigger like a Shilen, Jewell, or Timney is better. I think some German makers make good solid triggers, not sure why the love of doubles.

D99

I am so glad that you know where the very Best Gunmakers are...

Seloushunter

The best?

I would say that the best gun makers in the world are in Germany, Austria, Spain, Belgium, and Britain.

We have some very good gunsmiths in America, some of them are gunmakers. Most of them are not even gun smiths but armorers.

I would consider myself to be an armorer, I can fix some rifles, I can do stock work, bedding, and adjust triggers.

I think the guys that can build their own action, do stock work, and regulate a double rifle are gunmakers. Most gunsmiths in America are not at that level. Then again, very few in the rest of the world are either.

We have a few gunsmith schools in America, none of them are going to give you the education that Ferlach, Suhl, or Liege will. But then again, most of them are limited in scope.

I can give you the adress of a young german gunsmith who worked several years at Hartmann & Weiss (the real no. I in Europe) and is now working in his own "Büchsenmacherei".

Klosterfoerster,

why don't you just post the adress here?

MF
I'd love to see it.

Here the adress: "Die Waffenschmiede" M. Ganske, Hof Eichenstein, Wohlenbüttel 1b, 21385 Oldendorf

www.die-waffenschmiede.de

Best engraving!!, Does anyone know what the scope mounting method is termed?, Is it Suhler claw?, I have an old Schmidt I'd like to attach to a rifle, It has the same integral type of rail thats in the photo's, Any help would be welcome, Steve in Chester, U.K.

Steve - yes, Suhler Claw mount is the generic you are looking at. The bad news is that although it's possible to get the mounts - fitting is regarded as something to be entrusted to a knowledgeable gunsmith.

I fancy that will be your biggest issue here in the UK.

This thread refers to to sort of thing you are talking about (Thanks again Gerry!)

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/335105333/m/517102888

Rgds Ian

You can buy the parts for a claw mount at Ernst Appel Werke (EAW). As Ian said, fitting is best left to a skilled craftsman as parts have to be handfitted to the base which is soldered on and often the rifle's receiver and/or bbl. have to be reblued). That kind of repertise is only found with true gunmakers and is not cheap. However, when properly executed claw mounts are the best take-off mounts ever. I had one installed on my FN-Browning 9,3x74R O/U :

Hi Guys, I am in contact with Appels, & would certainly use Mr Proctor if he was available to do the fitting, The reason I got into this was I found a really nice Schmidt 6x42 with the old P1 reticle in it, I did a lot of shooting with this reticle way back, my buddy hates it!, Might start foxing with it!Steve.

Asked my computer which gunmaker would be right for me, if I could afford it, found this

http://www.buechsenmacher-retz.eu/
http://www.tjf-jagdwaffen.de/
http://www.ziegenhahn.de/
http://www.waffenjung.de/html/home.html
http://www.johannsen-jagd.de/grosswildbuechsen.html
http://www.jagdwaffen-wolf.de/
http://www.i-e-a.de/productssimple31.html
http://www.adamy-jagdwaffen.de/drilling.php
http://www.hartmannundweiss.de/
http://www.mon.de/opf/kuchenreuter.122584/home.htm

+ a lot of famous smiths which don't have an own website

Burkhard

I always liked German rifles and guns.The only complaint I got is against those butter-knife bolt handles and double triggers.

For some extreme stock carving and design,check this link

http://www.guggi-arms.com/

Best-
Locksley,R

I am not fond of the "neo-baroque" stocks that most German and Austrian gunmakers favour.
But I really like the work of these gentlemen:
http://www.jagdwaffen-ollendorff.com/
Very classy, with more than a British touch
http://www.wutti-jagdwaffen.at/de/index.html
Classic Ischlerstutzen

Fuhrmann

A real treat to be able to have dealings with so technically able and polite people, Ernst Appel Werke were very swift with details, (so many for three rifle options)of the fitments required, obtainable from the sole U.K. agent, * Sentry Technology Ltd, Paul Grannell, ********** High Wycombe, Bucks e-mail, sales@st.uk.com

quote:

Originally posted by fuhrmann:
I am not fond of the "neo-baroque" stocks that most German and Austrian gunmakers favour.
But I really like the work of these gentlemen:
http://www.jagdwaffen-ollendorff.com/
Very classy, with more than a British touch


Fuhrmann

Hi Fuhrmann,

Any idea how much would the Ollendorf shotgun and bolt rifle cost?Thank you.

Best-
Locksley,R

Sorry,
I have no idea about Mr. Ollendorff's prices.

Fuhrmann

I`m quite sure, very, very cheap - like a Rem 700 or a Ruger77!

Well, he is not German, Austrian, but check out Mr. Peter Hoffer Jagdwaffen's web site out for works of art. Believe his motto is "for those clients that can afford anything but time..."

In looking at the various web sites posted here it would appear that most of the firearms shown are works of art and yet would perform flawlessly.

This is one of the very special gunmakers.

If you ask for a price,

the answer will be

"As you asked for the price, I am sure it's not afforable for you"

http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52.php?lang=de

This was the answer of a Ferlach gunmaker when I asked for the price of a falling block single shot rifle.

Burkhard

I consider this practice of "asking and not telling the actual price" bullshit.

Snob appeal I am afraid. I like nice guns, and I really like things like Hofer, Boss, and Holland type guns, I just don't like the bullshit.

Then again if I could afford it maybe it wouldn't be bullshit.

I had a David Miller tell me that he was nice to the little guy because he knew that the little guy had the ability to save his pennies or hit the lottery, or get a better job and become the big guy that can afford any rifle.

It just makes sense.

When you ask one of these craftsman, he will certainly give you a quote for a specific project.
But each gun will be different. And costs will change which time. So what's the point of floating price tags around?

Fuhrmann