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Probably more of the fact that the US firearms market is so huge that dealing with any export paperwork, no matter how easy it might actually be, is simply not worth any effort at all when one has no trouble selling everything here. | |||
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Pete, Yep Navy going on 13 years. Last few have either been in depoloyed in the shit or in Spain and now I am in Italy. German girls are like vaults hell to get to know, but usually worth it once you do. English girls fun but kind of wild. American girls are somewhere in between, way to emancipated, but usually pretty wild. | |||
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The Blaser R93 is THE best hunting rifle in the world period. No other rifle can do what the R93 does. - Complete dissassembly with nearly zero shift in POI. Allows an ease of travel only dreamed of by other rifle manufacturers. - Straight pull action giving you quick repeat shots. - Inline loading giving no bullet deformation. - Caliber flexibility like no other in the world. The rifle works and shoots exactly the same way no matter if you're shooting .223 or .416 Rem. - Light. - A safety that removes all firing pin spring pressure making the chance of an AD/ND with the safety on absolutely Zero. - Very reliable. I've fired thousands of rounds through mine and I have friends who have done the same with not a hiccup. The ONLY negative I can see is the initial buy in price to get a reciever. After that barrels can be had for between $600 - $800 dollars. Some people say "For that price I could have a whole new rifle." TRUE, but no $800 rifle will shoot like a R93 does. Out of the dozens of various calibers of R93 barrels I've fired, ALL of them shoot easily under 1 MOA, and most (~95%) shoot nearer 0.5 MOA with factory ammunition. Blaser Customer Service is also top notch. I'm talking about Blaser, NOT SigArms (who is screwing Blaser in the USA IMO). Someone will surely say, "They can Kaboom!" Well so can any other rifle. I've only seen one case of it which is that German (?) website, but that is clearly the result of a severe overpressure. If you're really that worried about it, don't reload ridiculously hot with your Blaser. There's no reason to anyway. Anyways, thats where I stand. I think they are perhaps the rifle of our Era. ~Marcus | |||
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Thats exactly the attitude that brought Accuracy International to its knees. things can't be so peachy over there or why is Winchester folding? Frankly I expect more from my American cousins. The Blaser R93 is THE best hunting rifle in the world period. well thats one for mythbusters the Blaser R93 is the rifle with the Best Advertising campaign in the world period. unfortunately the rifle leaves a lot to be desired, i'd love to do some non destructive crack testing on all that alloy. No other rifle can do what the R93 does. yep, it makes the manufacturer comfortably wealthy, minimum out lay for maximum profit, if most guys knew what it costs to produce one the would expect to pay half of what they do for one, - Complete dissassembly with nearly zero shift in POI. Allows an ease of travel only dreamed of by other rifle manufacturers. you know, if you completely disasemble a custom trued remington, or even better a custom action, and i mean un screw the barrel, remove the stock etc, then put it all back together, you find that the thing actualy shoots around about the same point it did before you disasembled it. sure this doesn't help you when it comes to breaking it down to travel and i must admit, the modular design of the R93 lends its self well to travel, but then so does the modular design of the Bren gun,( W´hich proved the take down theory is far from new) the Sauer 202, SHR 970, and several otherv take down rifles. - Straight pull action giving you quick repeat shots. well if you shoot straight you shouldn't need multiple shots, having said that, on a driven hunt, obviously fast repeating is an advantage, We tested at length, a Blaser R93 offroad in 9.3x62 against a Marlin 1895M in 450 marlin, accurate shots on a driven boar target, moving at a distance of 50m. in the same time frame, it was possible to put 3 accurate shots on target from the 1895M and 2 from the R93. - Inline loading giving no bullet deformation. many other rifles feed from a centre position, take the HS mag conversion for the Rem 700 for instance. The design of the mag or clip on the R93 is flawed from the start, any rifle where you have to open the bolt to change the mag is by design complicated, the clip is difficult to load, prone to breakage and simply rubbish. - Caliber flexibility like no other in the world. The rifle works and shoots exactly the same way no matter if you're shooting .223 or .416 Rem. several other rifles off this, 03 mauser, sws2000 and others. like i said previously, i'l like to take the flange locking bolt head to the culmination of its developement, it warrents further study and is the best idea in the rifle next to the trigger - Light. yes, but what do you expect from alcan and tuppweware - A safety that removes all firing pin spring pressure making the chance of an AD/ND with the safety on absolutely Zero. yes, but it is awkward to use, noisy and will wear out in time, a push to cock mechanism is available for the mauser 98, the remington 700 and the browning BAR, and can a version can, with a bit of tallent be adapted to fit just about any bolt action. - Very reliable. I've fired thousands of rounds through mine and I have friends who have done the same with not a hiccup. you base your reliability on 1 or maybe 5 rifles, the R93 is about as reliable as an L85A1, it is a fine weather rifle that needs to be molycoddled in dusty dirty and cold wet conditions. it will never prove as reliable as a mauser 98, or indeed any well put together conventional bolt action. well it shouldn't have turned into an R93 bashing thread, but those are my thoughts on the deal. the R93 is a salesmans rifle, and not a riflemans rifle. Pete | |||
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Pete, To deviate from the subject a little, you mention the Mauser M03. Being in Germany, have you had a chance to see/handle any of these? I was recently told they will be coming out with a synthetic model M03 in the near future, which will most likely make it more popular/affordable. | |||
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I've used my R93 Offroad over the last 5 years in the worst conditions imaginable, from miserably cold and snowy northern Saskatchewan, to the boggy barrenlands of NWT, to the badlands of south-central Alberta, to the wetbelt of NW BC, and I have never had a problem or a concern with my rifle. I have used piles of other rifles as well, but always come back to my Blaser. You don't like the Blaser? Bully for you. Don't buy or use one. But those of us who do like it shouldn't be slammed. And yes I know you can nitpick at stupidities on any rifle but I will take my 'alcan and tupperware' gun anytime. As if any other rifle in this planet has never used aluminum or plastic? C'mon...... | |||
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I love the R93 and hate it as well. I can see both sides. I have three of them and will probably have more in the future. I guess everything is relative. | |||
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Matt B, and how often did you fire it in all those places? alloy and synthetics in stocks is fine, but i don't want aluminium in an action, and that goes for the alloy versions or Sauer 202, SHR970, plus the oh so dog eared after heavey use Unique, and all the others, i'd only choose the steel variants. Erik the mauser 03 is an interesting concept, its a nice looking rifle. D99, i'm sort of with you on that, i see a couple of realy ingeneouse ideas in the R93, let down by cheap manufacture and materials, i mean come on, stick on engraved side plates. a bakolite butt pad, which company in 2006 is still putting rock solid bakolite plastic but plates on rifles.? Blaser, top marketing propaganda and salesmanship, unfortunately, in the case of the R93, a cheap, under developed. I have to take my hat off to the bosses of the corporation, and ive enjoyed many a beer with a couple of them on a few occasions over the last 12 years, in a socialist europe, what a superb example of fast track capitalism. But froma technical point of view, definately not a shot in the x ring. Pete | |||
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Pete - Good question. I shot my R93 in those places just enough to kill my game with it, why would I need anything more? Good question, though. Enjoy your rifle, I am enjoying mine. Good Luck. | |||
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Matt, not knocking you mate, i'm glad you are happy with your rifle, i get to enjoy many rifles, ive used many including an R93, build many, worked on many. my main hunting rifle ( a customised remmy 700) goes through a barrel every 18 months to 2 years, 4 -6000rds. i'm currently looking for a sako TRGS to build a project on, and ive a Hansen action thats going to replace the remington, but i won't let my emington hear that as she'd be upset. The R93 seems to be, more than any other rifle, one that you either love or hate, from a technical, design, innovation and riflesmiths point of view, i hate the things. From a riflemans point of view, i hate them too, i can sit for hours working the bolt on a hansen or a DWM mauser, on a sako or a trued remington, but the ratch clang ratch of the R93, its worse than a trip to the dentist. Pete | |||
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Johan, Badger Ordnance.. now theres a guy with innovation, and Marty is a bloody nice bloke too. yes i sell Marty's top class firearms accessories. Pete | |||
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First I am very glad Winchester folded, they really have not made a good gun since 1964. I have put over 20,000 rounds through on Blaser in all conditions, always worked never failed. I am glad to see Johan is out and about, nothing like a little good old fashion Blaser bashing. Innovation is a tough thing to handle we will need to keep helping Johan down this path. You can come here and shoot all the Blaser you want Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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I'll let you in on a little secret, Pete: while sales of hunting rifles continue their slow decline, the sales of AR15s, M1As (M14 clone), HK 91 clones, FAL clones, AK clones, and other semi auto military-derived rifles are hitting record numbers. We American buy lots of guns, a lot more than Europeans. The product mix is sometimes very different. Mostly because we can freely buy, with hardly any restrictions, guns that are difficult (or impossible) to get permits for in Europe, and we pay a hell of a lot less than you do. I can buy as many handguns and military-style semi autos as my checking and credit accounts can handle without even needing an FBI NICS check, as long as I buy them from private individuals. Even buying from a dealer is a non-issue: a 5 minute phone call to the FBI and I'm on my way with whatever I want unless it is a fully automatic weapon. Those are also available, they just cost a lot of money and there's some paperwork involved. With that kind of a firearms market at home, why would anyone bother with export sales? I would not. When you say that you expected better from your American friends, what exactly where you expecting? Good dealers are good businessmen, and they spend their efforts where they can max out their return on investment. Surely you understand that, being a businessman yourself. I don't know what AI has to do with anything, weren't they a UK-based company? And USRAC did not go down because firearm sales are slow here. They went under because the quality of their products has steadily deteriorated, while that of their major competitors (CZ, Remington, and Ruger) has remained far above or been on the rise. Sorry to disappoint you, but the fact of business life remains that the European gun market is minuscule compared to the US. And as long as it remains so, most American dealers have little to no reason to pay attention to it, unelss they offer something truly unique and in very high demand in Europe that does not sell well here. | |||
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Pete I appreciate your points of view, albeit I'll stick to my Blasers. Thanks for your opinion and your expertise. Ahhh Johan....I've read your previous posts on Blasers. I'm glad to see you devote the time you do to this fine rifle. Please keep posting, and I'll keep killing game with my R93. Gosh if I was convinced that I had such a crappy rifle, I may have to apologize to all of those ungulates I killed with it, being shot with an inferior rifle and all....my penance will be great. | |||
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Aleco, you be due for a new barrel then., thats not bad for a rifle that costs around 200 euro to build. HP shooter, firstly, remington are just as miserable in the QC dept as USRAC, Savage has improved. What i expect of my American cousins is to be told straight, we are not interested in export business as its to much hassle and we have enough business at home, but to take orders, and in several cases money and then just not bother your fat damn ass is bad business sence to me. I wondered if it was anything to do with Anti German and French feeling in the US, which is why i always point out that i'm pro USA, I'm a Brit and would rather buy an American action than a German one. hence ive looked else where and found some top quality actions made in Norway, and thats what i'm going to run with, screw nesika, shiller and surgeon if they cant deliver. Matt. If the Blaser R93 cost $500 then i'd have nothing against it. there is making a profit and then there is Dick Turpin. I guess i'm just old fashioned and expect to do a fair days work for a fair days pay, you know, i'll sell a Blaser R93 to anyone who wants one, but i honestly feel guilty making a profit on them, and thats the truth. Pete | |||
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I agree, that is reprehensible. And they should well and fully expect to never see your money again. | |||
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I just want to point out that neither shiller nesika or surgeon have taken money. others have, i won't mention who in an open forum as proceedings have started. surgeon, the guy Preston seems a nice bloke, but the company is between directions and of course looking after the home market, i can understand that but it doesnt help me and my 50 actions are no where in sight. Shiller, I asked for an agreement to supply in order to get an import license, hasn't bothered, ive not recieved anything. Nesika,, delivery to europe is measured in light years. there are other US companies who bend over backwards to export and deal. the out come is that, in conjunction probably with with Mr Hansen, i shall be having a rifle action of my own design built. then i can paddle the boat and take the helm all at one go Pete | |||
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I wish you the best of luck. I think you are wise to develop your own source for what is the heart of the rifle. | |||
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Well, Aleko good to see you are still alive, out blaser pimping  I guess you were happy that an American icon went down so the junk product you pimp would get less competition. Personally, I think a m-70 Winchester is far better rifle for a lower price compared to blaser r-93  Unfortunately, I will be busy that day, thank you for your kind offer  I think you are spoiling me, first you (you with 3 years and some experience of hunting in Africa) want to show me Africa, and now this Blaser r-93 innovation? Hardly, I'd call it degeneration. It's you and the other sycophants that still don’t get it. I seriously doubt blaser r-93 ever will be considered "the rifleman’s rifle" Cheers /JOHAN | ||
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Pete, You know whats great? Opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I don't know why you have some chip on your shoulder about the Blasers, but maybe someday you'll get over them. The fact is you contradict very little or nothing of what I said. Most of what you offered is your opinion and nothing more. I appreciate and respect your opinion but I'll keep mine. ~Marcus | |||
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I'd like to share an African sunset with you assholes. Drink a few Windhoek Lager and talk about something other than Blaser. I like the R93 and I hate it. And everyone knows why. Johan hates it, I think Burkhard hates it, Aleko loves it, Erik likes it, Gerry loves it, and Pete hates it. So what do you think driven kielers next year or Botswana's Tuli block in 2007 or 2008. | |||
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Sounds good! Cheers, Dave. Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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Marcus, i didn't set out to contradic what you said, apart from the statement that the R93 is the best hunting rifle in the world, most of what you said carried some weight. I was trying to point out that there are other rifles out there that provide the same or better versatility than the R93. but are better designed, better materials and will last a lot longer. but then he giants in the firearms industry don't want long lasting firearms, "we change our cars every 5 years maximum, but a rifle lasts 2 generations at least, the firearms industry in general is quality producing its self out of existence, we want to get to a possition that shooters threat their rifles like thier cars and drive them to the junk yard periodicaly" and that is a quote from one of the blaser managers..he was drunk when he said it. think about it, i don't know what your opinion is based on mate, i respect the fact that your are very entitled to it, i don't have to qualify my self to you, but my opinion is based on 31 years of hunting, 20 years or gunsmith experience, engineering experience in the defence (with a lot of R&D work on firearms) and space industries I feel qualified to comment on the qualiteies and short comings of the Blaser R93. like i said, if they could be bought for $500, preferably at walmart, then in wouldn't have a bad word to say about them. Pete | |||
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Seth, Stating that I like Blasers is chewing off a bigger bite then you should! The fact is that I had one, but sold it since I didn't feel it was so great. I prefer traditonal bolt actions. I'd say my feeling towards Blasers is more lukewarm, rather then outright liking or hating it. | |||
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Erik, I can eat as much crow as anyone else. Blaser lover or not your still welcome on that hunt. | |||
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Johan, The tracker seat on the front on my cruiser is always open for you Seth, Botswana? How about the Southwest? And drinking winhoek? How about a castle ! Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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Very classy reply, Aleko. I was going to offer him the trunk of a '78 Caddy....... | |||
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Well, 20,000 rounds is quite a lot. Guess you can't have much to do at the shop. For how many years have you owned a blaser r-93, 4, 5, or 6 years? If you have owned a blaser r-93 for let's say 6 years that would mean approximately 64 rounds at the range EVERY week  Aleko, I know you are sales guy, but being glad over Winchester folding is low, how come you considered Winchester adequate to take game at a safari  I'm convinced that your personal inventory contains a few Winchesters. A picture says more than a 1000 words  https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tp.../r/66410569#66410569 Quote dated 18 April 2002 05:03. From your own hunting archive it looks like one or possibly two cape buffalo with the R-93 blaser in Tanzania 2004 under normal African conditions. Now, how come that your precious, reliable magnum mauser and the PH 470 Nitro double gathers dust? Don't be shy Aleko, terribly sorry, but I'm not that interested in a pirelli shoot or diesel stalk Cheers  /JOHAN | ||
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What I appreciate is the fact that Johan, loves to sit and recite from the past, kinda like the whole Blaser issue, you are beating the horse to death, the whites of the bones are showing. And yes Johan, I do shoot that much. And Johan, please I encourage you post pictures show us pictures of your hunting exploits, you are always at the forefront of critiscism but, where are photos of you with your brilliant mauser or coveted M 70???? Or are you a closet Blaser user that is so pissed that the Blasers work so well that you have to bash them? Or my view is you may well have never held or used too many guns in your life, you pull for all sources and experiences other than reality. I encourage you to fly out, come see me, if you really exsist Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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