quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
amir

I havent done it but take a look at the 100gr 6.5mm vs the 55gr .22 in terms of its fastness and flatness.

I qgree that a 223 is a great gun but before that everyone needs to own a 6.5mm first......

K

A 100 grain nosler ballistic tip at 3200 compares very favourably in both terms of drop and wind drift but I think would be a bigger and noisier beast than I'm looking for in this particular case.

A 6mm 75 grain V-max at 2800 would be a nice little fox and vermin round I'm thinking?

I do like those 6.5mm, but need a wee pop gun first!

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Amir buddy,

Sako Vixens can be had for as little as 3-400 EUR here, sure they are shot/rusted out in the barrel but nice othervise,

great project rifles, I guess if it would be rebarreled here ( no demand to have it proofed here) then perhaps it could be bypassed,

perhaps there are reasons for you to get over here?

Still Sweden is a great place for second hand rifles, second only to Germany.

Ahh yes, the Howas, the ones I have played with had a bit of dinky-toy feel to them, I think I rather have a Savage then and accept my faith.

/Chris

And now I'm seriously considering it......

3-400Euros for a...(gasp)....Vixen action?!

Yeah man, I'm all over that.

I'll ask my gunsmith about import regulations when the gun is completed.

Can you recommend a guy to do the barrel work over there?

My man can finish the metal and do the wood over here for me at cost so this could well turn out to be the way forward.

Do you guys have an equivalent on Guntrader or Gunsinternational?

I was thinking about a Howa but I've always wanted a Vixen.

Best,

Amir

3-400Euros for a...(gasp)....Vixen action?!

As a low price point, but for 5-600 there are great actions and stocks to be had,

http://www.blocket.se/ostergot...307056.htm?ca=11&w=3 a 243 for 450 EUR


http://www.blocket.se/kalix/Sa...294957.htm?ca=11&w=3 A Decent 222 for 500 EUR

http://www.blocket.se/soderman...018828.htm?ca=11&w=3

A very nice 22 PPC- single shot action but still, bit pricy though 750 EUR


http://www.blocket.se/vastmanl...402105.htm?ca=11&w=3

old school Vixen, decent looking condition, 400 EUR

http://www.interjakt.com/soder...ade-vapen/vapen/1282 here is another one, so-so condition but for 300 EUR

That was just a few clicks worth of looking..

Yeah man, I'm all over that.

I am glad to see that.

I'll ask my gunsmith about import regulations when the gun is completed.

Can you recommend a guy to do the barrel work over there?

I have at least two channels/ smiths for the job, and they are both men that have done jobs for me, then there are a few more that have great reputations and others to endorse them.

My man can finish the metal and do the wood over here for me at cost so this could well turn out to be the way forward.

Do you guys have an equivalent on Guntrader or Gunsinternational?

No there is no such thing, good thing for me really.

I was thinking about a Howa but I've always wanted a Vixen.

Every man should have had a small action sako at one time in there life.

/Chris

Yes, I have to admit, that of all the Sakos, the Vixens - more specifically the L461 or A1 actions - are the most attractive. Just perfectly sized for .222/.223 sized cartridges and very, very slick!

My current "collection" includes two L461s and an A1 in .222 Rem, as well as two A1s in 6mm PPC. All with heavy barrels and three of them with the externally adjustable target trigger.

The target trigger, btw, is worth looking for - if you are buying second hand. More expensive and not that easy to find, but if you like a lighter trigger pull, it is easier to work with than the standard Sako triggers - which, sadly, are not that easily customized.

- mike

I was looking at getting a firearm from Germany and provided it was sent to an RFD in the UK then that RFD can release it to you provided you have a slot on your ticket. Given the Sweden is also part of the EU, wouldn't have thought it would be very different.

A friend of mine recently picked up a mint Sako Vixen in .222 from a local RFD here in Herefordshire for an astonishing £165 - the stock needs a bit of TLC but the metalwork and bore are as new. It has an odd 1:14 twist so it only likes very light bullets but its a pretty and accurate little rifle.

I know of another one gathering dust on an Aberdeenshire RFD's gunrack for not much more money - not such good condition but a suitable donor action. He also has an early Mannlicher stutzen in .270 with pretty wood, Apel mounts and a nice little Pecar scope for the princely sum of £400 that would do me nicely as a woodland Roe gun...

Adam.

Nothing odd about a 14 twist on a 222, absolutely standard, it will stabilise up to a 55gr standard bullet.

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Originally posted by Adam.270:
A friend of mine recently picked up a mint Sako Vixen in .222 from a local RFD here in Herefordshire for an astonishing £165 - the stock needs a bit of TLC but the metalwork and bore are as new. It has an odd 1:14 twist so it only likes very light bullets but its a pretty and accurate little rifle.

I know of another one gathering dust on an Aberdeenshire RFD's gunrack for not much more money - not such good condition but a suitable donor action. He also has an early Mannlicher stutzen in .270 with pretty wood, Apel mounts and a nice little Pecar scope for the princely sum of £400 that would do me nicely as a woodland Roe gun...

Adam.

I'll ring you about it, what calibre?

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Originally posted by Ghubert:

I know of another one gathering dust on an Aberdeenshire RFD's gunrack for not much more money - not such good condition but a suitable donor action. He also has an early Mannlicher stutzen in .270 with pretty wood, Apel mounts and a nice little Pecar scope for the princely sum of £400 that would do me nicely as a woodland Roe gun...

Adam.

I'll ring you about it, what calibre?[/QUOTE]

It's in the Scottish big game calibre of .222 again - I don't think .223 has been invented up there yet...

I'll have to ring around to get his number for you if it's not stamped on my SGC, but given how difficult it is to find his house in the middle of rural Deeside and how seldom he's actually there, I should imagine the old girl is still keeping 'my' spare .270 company on the back shelf.

A.

quote:

Originally posted by Adam.270:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

I know of another one gathering dust on an Aberdeenshire RFD's gunrack for not much more money - not such good condition but a suitable donor action. He also has an early Mannlicher stutzen in .270 with pretty wood, Apel mounts and a nice little Pecar scope for the princely sum of £400 that would do me nicely as a woodland Roe gun...

Adam.

I'll ring you about it, what calibre?

It's in the Scottish big game calibre of .222 again - I don't think .223 has been invented up there yet...

I'll have to ring around to get his number for you if it's not stamped on my SGC, but given how difficult it is to find his house in the middle of rural Deeside and how seldom he's actually there, I should imagine the old girl is still keeping 'my' spare .270 company on the back shelf.


Perfect.

I can only imagine what some our cousins across the pond would say if they found out how many deer have been shot with a .222 in Scotland and Ireland over the years?

I have to suppress a smile every time I see one of those ".223 for deer" sagas crop up on the small bore forum.


A.[/QUOTE]

You need an arbor press

I have lapua brass and Wilson dies ready for you

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
You need an arbor press

I have lapua brass and Wilson dies ready for you

See the thing is, a guy did a test and he found that Lee dies and second hand RCBS press made ammo with less run-out than ammo loaded on the Wilson dies, a Harrel arbor press and love, lots and lots of love.

I think the guy posted a report about it somewhere.

It's somewhere.......

222R is legal in Louisiana for Whitetail deer.all you need to know is 25gr BLc,52gr HP,magnum primers.but my L46 shoots factory 50gr into 3/8.be careful my early L46 has 1/16 Hornet twist&will only shoot short 50grainers.still works just fine for neck shots.

I got to shoot a 20 TAC a little while back, it was very impressive indeed and we were shooting out to about 400 yards.

Not a deer rifle clearly but as you already have that covered then the 20 TAC might just fit your bill. It is certainly fun to shoot and accurate and as you hand load no problems with ammo.

If I needed another rifle or wanted to shoot a lot of vermin or just wanted a smaller plinker then it would certainly be at the top of my list.

I agree
GHubert have access to a 20 tactical BAT action all the time but he would not touch anything like that

NO it going to be a 222 with lee dies

On a L46!& if you find another for 200GBP BUY it.Maybe between Alan&me well get yall using classic rifles too.

I think Amir ran out of steam...

Or perhaps he is stuck in a gun shop somewhere cuddeling a small Sako, murmuring sweet words to it.



/Chris

Most likely Chris

Something like " my precious...we shall look after you...we will take you away from the bad hobbits (read gun dealer) ...my precious...."

Hello lads, apologies to interrupt your judging of me but the rifle Adam mentioned above is two things:

1. A real Riihimaki and

2. The other side of the mines of Moria as far as getting to it.

I've dispatched emissaries to make contact with the dark lord and see what can be done.

Fear not O fair Samwise and o learned Gandalf, all that wonder are not confused!

What you need is a mint Sako AI sporter repeater in 6mm PPC and 150rounds of factory ammunition.

Funnily enough I know where you can purchase these rare as hens teeth items. (2 in the UK?)

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Originally posted by 1894mk2:
What you need is a mint Sako AI sporter repeater in 6mm PPC and 150rounds of factory ammunition.

Funnily enough I know where you can purchase these rare as hens teeth items. (2 in the UK?)

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

If this is the one I think it is I'm all over it.

I think I've mislaid your number....

See that cruel taunters!


I wasn't not doing anything, I was merely waiting for the perfect opportunity, like a panther or a coiled spring or something.

Amir, that ppc is too sweet to pass up.

Can I come and play with it?

Will you get it cut and threaded?....

I have stroked such a rifle at one time,

nice piece, still far to nice and good for a farmboy like myself,

I could not bring myself to buy it, full well knowing that I would use it and shoot it hard.

I´d better stay with rifles that have stocks made out of composites and will just look better and better after being torn up a bit.

/Chris

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Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Amir, that ppc is too sweet to pass up.

Can I come and play with it?

Will you get it cut and threaded?....

Agreed on the ppc

If Amir doesn't want it I'm tempted myself!!

Rgds,
K

Glubert,

Can you get one of these in the UK?

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm

I have a 700P in 7RM.POS, will only shoot in the.3s w factory Match ammo.still not a 461 actioned svelte wand though.

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Amir, that ppc is too sweet to pass up.

Can I come and play with it?

Will you get it cut and threaded?....

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Amir, that ppc is too sweet to pass up.

Can I come and play with it?

Will you get it cut and threaded?....

Agreed on the ppc

If Amir doesn't want it I'm tempted myself!!

Rgds,
K

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
I have stroked such a rifle at one time,

nice piece, still far to nice and good for a farmboy like myself,

I could not bring myself to buy it, full well knowing that I would use it and shoot it hard.

I´d better stay with rifles that have stocks made out of composites and will just look better and better after being torn up a bit.

/Chris

Your basic philosophic position is an attractive one Chris, resplendent in hard-bitten manliness and steely purpose.

I however am a tart and a sucker for flashy rifles, I want like fat kids want cake and will in fact cuddle it to sleep whispering "My precious, we wants it" Just like Arlid, somewhat spookily, predicted.

Trouble is Adam doesn't really want to sell it but needs a moderated rifle and can't bring himself to cut this one.

I shall have to take a trip up to Oxfordshire, get him drunk, frame him for something, call Rupert Murdoch and negotiate.

I'm sure a synthetic stock could be had if I look right?

Best,

Amir

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Originally posted by RaySendero:
Glubert,

Can you get one of these in the UK?

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm

We can Ray, but new they are more money than the Sakos we're talking about here.

You are right though, nothing wrong with a Remington's accuracy.

quote:

Originally posted by KimR:
I have a 700P in 7RM.POS, will only shoot in the.3s w factory Match ammo.still not a 461 actioned svelte wand though.

Kim, do you want me to pick you up anything mate?

These aren't Mauser Kurz actions but as long you really like goats, pretty good none-the-less.

Sent you an e-m.if you like tupperware.dont know how to get it there.

Hmmm maybe a custom TT Proctor Holland and Holland method takedown in 6mm Rem might fit the bill more. 10 twist, defo deer legal and more classical (not to mention flat shooting as hell!)

I've been gazzumped!

I think you mean WE've been gazumped!!

I know of a Sako match 6 mm PPC single shot, in 90% or better condition,

for 7 000 kr, that is 770 EUR or so.

That is the rifle I wrote of earlier,

the one I cant have.

/Chris

Ok, I've got my gunsmith lined up to tune the rifle before I use it in anger:

Ghubert,whatever you find PLEASE dont let your gunsmith adjust it!

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
I know of a Sako match 6 mm PPC single shot, in 90% or better condition,

for 7 000 kr, that is 770 EUR or so.

These are indeed very well shooting rifles. They have the target trigger I mentioned above. Price sounds excellent - assuming the gun is good condition.
- mike

Amir you need either a 243 or a 25-06

Both make great fox and vermin guns and have the advantage that they are deer legal.

Out of the two the 243 would suit you better

Look around for a second hand Tikka T3 or a Sako 75

You are a man of class you dont want one of those horrible tutonic meccano sets