'Morning chaps.

I own three rifles, a 308, .30-06 and 9.3x62.

I really need a smaller rifle.

The question is .223, .243 or 6.5 something.

Bearing in mind that I don't need another deer rifle, which would be the most useful.

I'm going to go out and buy it at the conclusion of this thread so I promise I'll never bring this up again....

TIA,

Amir

Logic would dictate the .223.

I would say a small 6mm, maybe a PPC or BR if you can find one at the right price.

Alternatively, a fast twist 22cf is the way to go. In factory options, that means a 223, but if you could get something rough and get it rebarreled in an 8 or 9 twist 22/250, you could have fun with that on both the range and fox shooting.

What do you intend to use the smaller bore rifle for?? Target shooting, foxing, just joy of ownership??

I do quite a bit of shooting on the rifle range, for that work a heavy barrel .222 (or .223) is hard to beat. Minimal ammo cost, minimal recoil, max accuracy, minimal barrel heating and erosion. So if it was me, I'd have to agree with Andre about the .223. Question is: what shooting do *you* intend to do??

- mike

Thank you guys.

the intended use will be on the range, for foxes and critters and the occasional deer (where legal and appropriate).

I'm op[en to suggestions on format, calibre, stock, everything.

I must confess I was favouring the .223 personally but would love to hear your opinions.

As you guys know I load my own ammunition so no worries on that regard.

All three but since you insist on only one, then .243 would fit the bill best for what you intend. Now go trade in all your stuff and get an R93 or R8, then you only got barrels to buy

Here you go. Raid the piggy bank and buy this:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Gun...Sale/110723175105001

Some one is taking at least a £1000 hit on this one.

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Here you go. Raid the piggy bank and buy this:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Gun...Sale/110723175105001

Some one is taking at least a £1000 hit on this one.

You know why don't you, it's a 1-12"

the guy built a long range shooting rig using very nice components and found out after 450 rounds that he's ordered the wrong barrel.

It would work for varminting but limited to 75-80 grain bullets would be pissed on by a 308 at 600 yards in variable winds.

Defeats the point of getting it in an exotic calibre then you see.

Poor sod, expensive mistake.

quote:

Originally posted by Dom:
All three but since you insist on only one, then .243 would fit the bill best for what you intend. Now go trade in all your stuff and get an R93 or R8, then you only got barrels to buy

Thanks Dom, but you know how much I hate Blasers right?

Definitely a heavy barrel .223. I had a marvellous Sako 75 Varmint in .223 that I sold 1 year ago.....dumbest thing I have ever done in my life

quote:

Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
Definitely a heavy barrel .223. I had a marvellous Sako 75 Varmint in .223 that I sold 1 year ago.....dumbest thing I have ever done in my life

I have to admit to a weak spot for the Sakos myself. Compared to other European products, prices are pretty reasonable, and quality (accuracy) is usually very good. Good choice!

If, on the other hand, you'd like a rifle which can easily be customized (as in: mount Jewell trigger), a Remington M700 is hard to beat. I recently came into a M700 VLS (varmint barrel, laminated wood stock) in .223 for my son (8 years). It is just a joy how well that gun shots with minimal customization (Jewell trigger, factory barrel cut down to 22"). I have a lot of expensive custom guns that won't hold a candle to the VLS...

- mike

223 is a real nice fox gun and for us in scotland it is a real good urban roe deer round.

+1 on the 223, but as a long range culling tool and varminting rig the 243 will take some beating for versatility...

Then you have the 30-06 which you can load down to 125gr bullet which IIRC shoot quite well in it? An you can load it upto 200 grain bullets for bigger stuff.

The 223 you can use to plink crows out to however far and when moderated will make less noise than the others in urban setting where even moderated rifles can be a pain. But then a 220 Swift may be a better choice for that kind of thing....

Then the 308 may be tradeable to a 6.5 allowing a more even spread of calibres through to .22 CF... But it does shoot well and does well on the range.

Decisions decisions....

I like the Rem 700 and the Sako 591's and 75's...

The only certainty is you need an ASE moderator on it. Not sure if it is the Jet-Z Compact or the North star though.....

K

Amir...shopping around for a new rifle is like Christmas x 5

Don´t overlook this new Ruger Hawkeye Predator which can be had in eighter 223 Rem, 22-250 Rem and the newish 204 Ruger.

The latter is used here sniping greylag goose over open fields and marshland, and is spoken highly of by those who use it.

Ruger might be a bit rough on the edges, but sliks up pretty well after a little elbow grease, they are exellent working rifles with a rock solid mounting system.

http://www.ruger.com/products/...Predator/models.html

About Blaser or other system rifles...think opening your gun cabinet, and all you see is a lonesome rifle stock, and a row of blackish pipes...

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

You know why don't you, it's a 1-12"

the guy built a long range shooting rig using very nice components and found out after 450 rounds that he's ordered the wrong barrel.

....

Sorry, failed to note the 12" twist. That really is a cluster f#ck.

Make a nice fox rifle though. Not dying about the stock.

Good question,

in 6 mm I have had a 6 mm TCU, the 243, for just a prief period and now a 6 XC (from Norma),

I must say that the best small 6 mm is a 6x45 ie a 6 mm-223 Rem, with a 8 twist barrel, one can shoot 58 grain V-max and have it used for fox and 88 grain SGK on deer,

I shot a few with that bullet in my TCU and they all went down hard and fast. My rife was a rebarreled sako L46, used to be a 222 Rem.

The 6XC is a great round and a bit smaller than a 243 ie less barrel wear and longer shooting life.

With a 1:8 twist and the 105 A-max one can shoot further out that imagined with great precision,

Kiri is right about the moderator, the ASE-Utra are just great, truly great.

Right now I am in a slow process of having a 223AI built to shoot 69-75 grain .224 bullets out of, it´s a rem 700 action and some other trinkets that I have managed to gather.

The + for a 223 AI is that one can shoot 223 Rem in it to, ie I can have factory rounds at home for just fun shooting and the the serious stuff reloaded for LR shooting or cull hunts.

I wonder what your regs would say about such a thing though?

The more I look at it, the better the rifle in the link above looks,

the 6x47L is a great shooting round and will give 960 m/s with a 105/7 grain bullet with a 22 inch barrel or longer. (hmmm failed to notice that part of the barrel being 1.12)

Ohh well decisions are just like this hard to make.

/Chris



In the best of worlds

I also think a 223 would be the best choice.
I have one myself and it is a very nice shooter with the trigger adjusted to 700 grams
It is a Remington 7 Predator

I also would recommend you to sell the 308(I don't see much of a point to have both a 308 and a 30-06) and buy a 6.5x55 and you will have a great range of guns for all kinds of uses

Amir, you need to get a donor and re-tube it to something sexy. 243 is so utterly boring.

6x47L seems to make a lot of sense with a 8 twist.

The only trouble is getting a decent donor, Sakos are very expensive even when they are rough.

Try 6.5s .The 6.5 Creedmore looks about the best .Ruger makes the rifles and Hornady makes ammo.

Alright,

being the ever jolly fellow that I am,

I also own a 6,5x47L, 26 inch shilen barrel built on my old Sako action,

It will handle bullets from 107 SMK and scenar to 140 grains SST, Vo:s from 980 ish with 107:s to a mere and slugish 780 with 140SST.

The cases being Lapua only are a bit expensive to get however running the rifle and finding loads for it is a breeze.

For hunting I prefere the 123 A-max and they have proven to be very accurate and deadly out of my rifle.



Cull doe taken last year



One shot per diamond, they are 5 mm, I got up and stood between shots, the rifle can shoot.



The little Sako that I spoke of above, 6mm TCU lovely rifle, very little recoil and a great impression on game, the beaver was shot with 75 grain V-max, a great bullet.

Well I really can´t se how one can go wrong here, there are benefits to all the cals being mentioned, still I would off load the 30-06 to make room for a more tailored rifle/cal.

/CHris

quote:

Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
Definitely a heavy barrel .223. I had a marvellous Sako 75 Varmint in .223 that I sold 1 year ago.....dumbest thing I have ever done in my life

quote:

Originally posted by mho:

quote:

Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
Definitely a heavy barrel .223. I had a marvellous Sako 75 Varmint in .223 that I sold 1 year ago.....dumbest thing I have ever done in my life

I have to admit to a weak spot for the Sakos myself. Compared to other European products, prices are pretty reasonable, and quality (accuracy) is usually very good. Good choice!

If, on the other hand, you'd like a rifle which can easily be customized (as in: mount Jewell trigger), a Remington M700 is hard to beat. I recently came into a M700 VLS (varmint barrel, laminated wood stock) in .223 for my son (8 years). It is just a joy how well that gun shots with minimal customization (Jewell trigger, factory barrel cut down to 22"). I have a lot of expensive custom guns that won't hold a candle to the VLS...

- mike

Thanks guys, I know what you mean about the Sako Varmint lads. My own, well 'er indoors' actually, 75 varmint in 308 is a thing of beauty on the range but has so far failed to actually kill anything....

I like the idea of a pair of Sako actually.

I'm not sure about Remington, I hear they do indeed shoot but from everyone but just don't like feel of the things. Terrible I know but "minimal customisation" is trigger work and recrowning?!

With my Tikka, Sako and Walther rifles all I had to do was buy them and work out what loads they liked.

quote:

Originally posted by Fallow Buck:
+1 on the 223, but as a long range culling tool and varminting rig the 243 will take some beating for versatility...

Then you have the 30-06 which you can load down to 125gr bullet which IIRC shoot quite well in it? An you can load it upto 200 grain bullets for bigger stuff.

The 223 you can use to plink crows out to however far and when moderated will make less noise than the others in urban setting where even moderated rifles can be a pain. But then a 220 Swift may be a better choice for that kind of thing....

Then the 308 may be tradeable to a 6.5 allowing a more even spread of calibres through to .22 CF... But it does shoot well and does well on the range.

Decisions decisions....

I like the Rem 700 and the Sako 591's and 75's...

The only certainty is you need an ASE moderator on it. Not sure if it is the Jet-Z Compact or the North star though.....

K

Thanks mate, I do like the ASE but it's a heavy bugger. I think I'd be prepared to trade efficiency for light weight and so I'm keeping an eye on the Carbon fibre moderators that seem perennially just around the corner. The latest gossip about carbon fibre with ceramic insert blast baffles seem viable and so watch this space.

I like the idea of a 6mm bullet weight flexibility, but as SLDG also mentions, a .223 sized powder capacity is also desirable from a noise and recoil standpoint.

I had this conversation with Adam a couple of months ago, I ended up playing with the recoil calculator in Quickload and came up with the 6x45.

The trouble with this is that it is a custom proposition, in the UK at least.

Best,

Amir

Alright,

rem 700:s are a bit loose,

might I suggest a Tikka T3, 223 Rem

less of a prome queen, and more of farm maid,

ie more work done for the money put in.

Personally I really like the Tikkas and they shoot lights out from the box.

/Chris

quote:

Originally posted by Arild Iversen:
About Blaser or other system rifles...think opening your gun cabinet, and all you see is a lonesome rifle stock, and a row of blackish pipes...

Amen brother!

They are accurate, well finished, well designed, perfect for travelling and I just don't like them....

I would have one if I was allowed to have as many rifles as I wanted but with our laws there are just too many other guns I'd rather own first.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arild Iversen:
Amir...shopping around for a new rifle is like Christmas x 5

Don´t overlook this new Ruger Hawkeye Predator which can be had in eighter 223 Rem, 22-250 Rem and the newish 204 Ruger.

The latter is used here sniping greylag goose over open fields and marshland, and is spoken highly of by those who use it.

Ruger might be a bit rough on the edges, but sliks up pretty well after a little elbow grease, they are exellent working rifles with a rock solid mounting system.

http://www.ruger.com/products/...Predator/models.html

Thanks for the recommendation Arlid, I'll certainly be open to a Ruger when the time comes. Rough around the edges but fairly classic design. I have heard the occasional horror story about accuracy though.

Best,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:

quote:

Originally posted by Ghubert:

You know why don't you, it's a 1-12"

the guy built a long range shooting rig using very nice components and found out after 450 rounds that he's ordered the wrong barrel.

....

Sorry, failed to note the 12" twist. That really is a cluster f#ck.

Make a nice fox rifle though. Not dying about the stock.

quote:

Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
Amir, you need to get a donor and re-tube it to something sexy. 243 is so utterly boring.

6x47L seems to make a lot of sense with a 8 twist.

The only trouble is getting a decent donor, Sakos are very expensive even when they are rough.

I like the idea a lot Brian but it's a custom proposition like the 6x45 and so I need to decide whether or not to go that route in the first place.

A nice Sako would be good, maybe an older Tikka action would be easier to obtain ( barely ) or even a Howa.

I've taken a second look at the Howas and although a little, I don't know, maybe gauche compared to the ones mentioned above.

It would make getting a stock a damn sight simpler too.

Best,

Amir

Hi Chris,

Good to see you posting again mate.

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Good question,

in 6 mm I have had a 6 mm TCU, the 243, for just a prief period and now a 6 XC (from Norma),

I must say that the best small 6 mm is a 6x45 ie a 6 mm-223 Rem, with a 8 twist barrel, one can shoot 58 grain V-max and have it used for fox and 88 grain SGK on deer,

I shot a few with that bullet in my TCU and they all went down hard and fast. My rife was a rebarreled sako L46, used to be a 222 Rem.

The 6XC is a great round and a bit smaller than a 243 ie less barrel wear and longer shooting life.

With a 1:8 twist and the 105 A-max one can shoot further out that imagined with great precision,

Kiri is right about the moderator, the ASE-Utra are just great, truly great.

Right now I am in a slow process of having a 223AI built to shoot 69-75 grain .224 bullets out of, it´s a rem 700 action and some other trinkets that I have managed to gather.

The + for a 223 AI is that one can shoot 223 Rem in it to, ie I can have factory rounds at home for just fun shooting and the the serious stuff reloaded for LR shooting or cull hunts.

I wonder what your regs would say about such a thing though?

The more I look at it, the better the rifle in the link above looks,

the 6x47L is a great shooting round and will give 960 m/s with a 105/7 grain bullet with a 22 inch barrel or longer. (hmmm failed to notice that part of the barrel being 1.12)

Ohh well decisions are just like this hard to make.

/Chris



In the best of worlds

Thank you for your detailed reply, I can see you've been down the road I'm considering before and am sorely tempted by one of the 6.5s for this sort of dual role.

My only reservation is that it is beginning to approach the 308 and not quite what I wanted from this rifle.

I do like the idea of a 6x45, the more I think about it. Is 1-8 not quite fast for a cartridge that would be limited to lighter bullets by mag length, if not case capacity? How well would it do with 55 grain screamers?

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Alright,

being the ever jolly fellow that I am,

I also own a 6,5x47L, 26 inch shilen barrel built on my old Sako action,

It will handle bullets from 107 SMK and scenar to 140 grains SST, Vo:s from 980 ish with 107:s to a mere and slugish 780 with 140SST.

The cases being Lapua only are a bit expensive to get however running the rifle and finding loads for it is a breeze.

For hunting I prefere the 123 A-max and they have proven to be very accurate and deadly out of my rifle.



Cull doe taken last year



One shot per diamond, they are 5 mm, I got up and stood between shots, the rifle can shoot.



The little Sako that I spoke of above, 6mm TCU lovely rifle, very little recoil and a great impression on game, the beaver was shot with 75 grain V-max, a great bullet.

Well I really can´t see how one can go wrong here, there are benefits to all the cals being mentioned, still I would off load the 30-06 to make room for a more tailored rifle/cal.

/CHris

Very nice bits of kit there Chris, my will is being eroded with regard to custom rifles.

I must also say that are looking exceptionally jolly in that photograph! Well, so you should be, good shooting no doubt.

Oh, and nice beaver man.

Best,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Alright,

rem 700:s are a bit loose,

might I suggest a Tikka T3, 223 Rem

less of a prome queen, and more of farm maid,

ie more work done for the money put in.

Personally I really like the Tikkas and they shoot lights out from the box.

/Chris

How about the best of both worlds, a custom Tikka M590 in 6x45?

Amir,

Take a deep breath, stand back and without any emotion look at the total picket fence concept.

1. .223 Remington - with all it's virtues
2. .308 Winchester - target-master supreme; I've shot it extensively at 600 meters - with all it's virtues & "style" (=Sako).
3. .30/06 Sprg. - the Go-Anywhere, Anytime, "Have Gun, will Travel" Big Game rifle
4. 9.3x62 - for the really serious business - aka heavy stuff

A 4 rifle battery that spans alot of territory with all the benefits of 2 target rifles; less expensive, find anywhere componets & ammunition, no critical barrel heating issues (22-250 & .243 don't have ALL these attributes). If you want to plink at range use the .308 - f**k the fast twist .224" barrels 'cause you'll use the .223 Remington at 300 meters or < and the .308 > past that. You can still use the rifles for hunting, too. I'm repeating myself .....



You got 2 options:

Option #1
Order the Sako to match your other "target" Boomer so you'll have a superb target/shooter rifle twin sister combo set of .223 Remington & .308 Winchester (both with add-on hunting applications). This is the All-the-Glory, no Frills, no holds barred option.

Option #2
Order a Tikka T3 Varmint or Varmint Special in .223 Remington and give out alot less cash and still have a boomer that will sink 'em without the panache of the Sako but nevertheless a fantastically funtional, superbly accurate target rifle w/hunting applications as well.

Oh, did I mention you need a .223 Remington?



Have fun with your dilema.

It's no good guys

He knows exactly what he needs but he just wants us to justify it for him

Sort of cyber CBT therapy .....


Ghubert just get it and let's go hunting .....

Why torment yourself

Amir,

I'll chime in and add .223 as the one to get.
I'm a huge .243 fan but the .223's accuracy and durability is hard to beat. Plus you can get ammo for it anywhere.

Now go get one and start having some fun!

[/QUOTE]

How about the best of both worlds, a custom Tikka M590 in 6x45? [/QUOTE]

Well yes,

It was a nice beaver, tasted good to,

A tikka M590 will do, however if the 6x45 is your oyster of desire,

then I would suggest finding a Sako Vixen/hunter, ie the short action ones in 222 Rem and have that rebarreled, the Tikka actions are great but unbearably overbuilt for the task at hand.

The 8 twist barrel will still shoot light bullets far better than one can hold during hunting.

However the thought struck me this morning, this Sako 308 of yours,

get a second barrel for it 22-250 9 twist, 243 8 twist, 6XC, 6 mm BR or any other cal with the same case head as the 308 Win,

and be done with it, a lot cheaper than the other options and since you have a few others to go around for the big stuff,

this might be your easy way to small bore heaven.

In Sweden with our limit of 6 rifles for hunting, it it most common to have barrel switch rifles or rifles with more than one barrel matched to it to facilitate a change in cal.

The reason I state T3 above is that they have about four different makes doing composite stocks for them, McM, manners, Robertsons, and your local guy at PSE-stocks.

The original plastic stock has far to much in common with a ice-cream tub to be quite satisfatory.

/Chris

quote:

Originally posted by Gerry:
Amir,

Take a deep breath, stand back and without any emotion look at the total picket fence concept.

1. .223 Remington - with all it's virtues
2. .308 Winchester - target-master supreme; I've shot it extensively at 600 meters - with all it's virtues & "style" (=Sako).
3. .30/06 Sprg. - the Go-Anywhere, Anytime, "Have Gun, will Travel" Big Game rifle
4. 9.3x62 - for the really serious business - aka heavy stuff

A 4 rifle battery that spans alot of territory with all the benefits of 2 target rifles; less expensive, find anywhere componets & ammunition, no critical barrel heating issues (22-250 & .243 don't have ALL these attributes). If you want to plink at range use the .308 - f**k the fast twist .224" barrels 'cause you'll use the .223 Remington at 300 meters or < and the .308 > past that. You can still use the rifles for hunting, too. I'm repeating myself .....



You got 2 options:

Option #1
Order the Sako to match your other "target" Boomer so you'll have a superb target/shooter rifle twin sister combo set of .223 Remington & .308 Winchester (both with add-on hunting applications). This is the All-the-Glory, no Frills, no holds barred option.

Option #2
Order a Tikka T3 Varmint or Varmint Special in .223 Remington and give out alot less cash and still have a boomer that will sink 'em without the panache of the Sako but nevertheless a fantastically funtional, superbly accurate target rifle w/hunting applications as well.

Oh, did I mention you need a .223 Remington?



Have fun with your dilema.

Thanks Gerry, as always good advice mate.


I like the idea of a matching pair of sakos, the barrel profile is the same as the 308 so in theory it potentially ought to be even more accurate.

I've had a play with a t3 varmint and as Chris says, the synthetic stocked example I used didn't feel too great to be honest.

It did shoot though.

I do agree, whatever happens I need a .223.

quote:

Originally posted by lde:
Amir,

I'll chime in and add .223 as the one to get.
I'm a huge .243 fan but the .223's accuracy and durability is hard to beat. Plus you can get ammo for it anywhere.

Now go get one and start having some fun!

I do need a .223

.223R - cheap as chips to run, zero recoil, quiet with a decent mod' - what's not to like?

Come up and shoot some random small feathery / fluffy stuff with mine before Christmas and you'll be converted - I have no issue with 1:12 twist because my preference is for 40gn Nosler BTs sitting over so much Reloder 10X I have to jam it down with a stick Much fastness and pinpoint accuracy.

After dabbling with .17s I got rid of the last one when I realised that my fettled heavy barrelled Howa .223 had become my 'go to' tool for vermin, foxes, pineapple killing (Amir's favourite) and long range crow control.

When the barrel finally falls off, I'll have it rebarrelled in .223AI for a tad more speed...

A.

quote:

Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:

How about the best of both worlds, a custom Tikka M590 in 6x45? [/QUOTE]

Well yes,

It was a nice beaver, tasted good to,

A tikka M590 will do, however if the 6x45 is your oyster of desire,

then I would suggest finding a Sako Vixen/hunter, ie the short action ones in 222 Rem and have that rebarreled, the Tikka actions are great but unbearably overbuilt for the task at hand.

The 8 twist barrel will still shoot light bullets far better than one can hold during hunting.

However the thought struck me this morning, this Sako 308 of yours,

get a second barrel for it 22-250 9 twist, 243 8 twist, 6XC, 6 mm BR or any other cal with the same case head as the 308 Win,

and be done with it, a lot cheaper than the other options and since you have a few others to go around for the big stuff,

this might be your easy way to small bore heaven.

In Sweden with our limit of 6 rifles for hunting, it it most common to have barrel switch rifles or rifles with more than one barrel matched to it to facilitate a change in cal.

The reason I state T3 above is that they have about four different makes doing composite stocks for them, McM, manners, Robertsons, and your local guy at PSE-stocks.

The original plastic stock has far to much in common with a ice-cream tub to be quite satisfatory.

/Chris[/QUOTE]

You're right about the size of the Tikka action; but hey she'll be good and stiff!

I am trying to make the best of a bad fist because those gorgeous, wonderful Sako vixens are as rare as speaking possums and Sako vixen actions are as rare as Norwegean speaking possums in the UK.

I've seen precisely one in my time and that one would have been sacrilegious to rebarrel. I also seriously doubt the bloke would have sold it....

I can't rebarrel or mess with the 308 Sako for various reasons so Gerry's suggestion of another, tried and tested I guess, Sako varmint wouldn't be amiss. I think by the time I've restocked a T3 it will end up costing about the same.

Best,

Amir

quote:

Originally posted by Adam.270:
.223R - cheap as chips to run, zero recoil, quiet with a decent mod' - what's not to like?

Come up and shoot some random small feathery / fluffy stuff with mine before Christmas and you'll be converted - I have no issue with 1:12 twist because my preference is for 40gn Nosler BTs sitting over so much Reloder 10X I have to jam it down with a stick Much fastness and pinpoint accuracy.

After dabbling with .17s I got rid of the last one when I realised that my fettled heavy barrelled Howa .223 had become my 'go to' tool for vermin, foxes, pineapple killing (Amir's favourite) and long range crow control.

When the barrel finally falls off, I'll have it rebarrelled in .223AI for a tad more speed...

A.

I like the idea of a nice light bullet for the duties you mention but I think it will have to be a fast twist for the heavier target shooting bullets.

I'm considering a Howa, factory to begin with and then replacing bits as time goes on.

Hmmm, we shall have to slay pineapples and consider.

Best,

Amir

amir

I havent done it but take a look at the 100gr 6.5mm vs the 55gr .22 in terms of its fastness and flatness.

I qgree that a 223 is a great gun but before that everyone needs to own a 6.5mm first......

K

Kiri, as you know well, if our man here gets a 6.5, particularly the most excellent 260rem, his pet 30/06 will be rendered redundant for his UK deer stalking.....

Can you imagine the seperation anxiety? He would be a jibbering wreck....

I had a mamouth reloading session here last week, I now have a big box full of shiney rounds topped with 125gr Partitions. I just need to find something to shoot this weekend.

quote:

I'm considering a Howa, factory to begin with and then replacing bits as time goes on.

Amir,

The .223 Remington Heavy-Barreled Howas with the Green, Sand or Black Hogue stocks have been recently purchased by a few of my Buddies.

They shoot excellently, won't break the bank and on 2 of them I did the triggers to a clean, light break in @ 10 minutes each.

Amir buddy,

Sako Vixens can be had for as little as 3-400 EUR here, sure they are shot/rusted out in the barrel but nice othervise,

great project rifles, I guess if it would be rebarreled here ( no demand to have it proofed here) then perhaps it could be bypassed,

perhaps there are reasons for you to get over here?

Still Sweden is a great place for second hand rifles, second only to Germany.

Ahh yes, the Howas, the ones I have played with had a bit of dinky-toy feel to them, I think I rather have a Savage then and accept my faith.

/Chris