King Baboon has it right. Comparing a feral hog with a Wild Boar is like comparing a steer to a Cape Buffalo (or more exactly to its vanished European equivalent, the Auroch). Sheer weight does not equal toughness. One of the boars (67 kg, dressed) I shot a few weeks ago took 2 x 9,3's through the lungs and still managed to run 150 m (his only reaction to a 9,3 double tap, was spraying blood out of the 4 holes). When we dressed him, we found 2 fist sized holes through both lungs. On another occasion, a similarly hit animal took one 9,3 and skidded on its belly for a few meters, go figure. They're tough and fast (we shoot them on the run), so be prepared to accept that the lighter you shoot, the further they go...

Hey Andr�, what kind of bullet u shoot.
Have to get me some new ones for th esame caliber ...up to now i used the 18,5gramm RWS TM RK with good success.
But because i was told that a little lighter bullet in the 9,3 will give a better schock. Anyhow..th ebullet has to make to wholes even when hit a bone . So what do u think of the nosler PT? I think th eNosler safari BT would be fine also, but i like to get a high quality bullet. Maybe the day comes where i see my stag, and won�t lost him, by using a too fragilee bullet.
So...what are u�r suggestions

all the best from Germany to Belgium

konstantin

Hey HuntingMax,....
so habe mal ebend nachgeschaut.
Ohne Gew�hr,versteht sich !
ALSO:
Pulver: N140
Ladung : 71,0 grains
H�lse: R-P
L6: standard also hier Crimprille
Gescho�: Nosler PT mit 260 grain

im �brigen habe ich mit der Ladung angefangen bei 68 grains, und in halb grain Schritten dann weitergemacht.
Und was ich "lustig fand " alle hatten die gleiche TP-lage.

Sch�nen Gru� in die bayuvarische Landeshauptstadt

vielleicht sieht man sich ja mal, bin ca. 4 mal im Jahr "unten"...

Weidmannsheil
Konstantin

Hunting max & others

I was talking about the 375's,9.3x74's & even 300 win mags,its not that I have a problem with these cartridges,if you people can shoot them well then go for it,I was just woundering why you think it necessary,thats all.

Max in all honesty I have lost 2 pigs after shooting them & both were shots I shouldn't have taken in the first place & ending in bad shot placement & probably the same thing would have happened even if i was using a 375 h&h or weatherby mag.I have passed up on a lot of shots that I thought I might not have been able to get a clean kill with & many times i've spen time moving closer carefully(stalking)or moving into a better position.

I've shot at least 30 pigs over 100 kilos & most died quickly from a single 100 grain 6mm bullet

For pigs in bush or cover where shots a likley to be less than 50 meters I use a marlin lever action in 44 magnum & find it works extremely well on them.

I have used The following cartridges on pigs,243,25-06,270win,7mm-08,308 & 30-06 & found that the 243 & 7mm-08 killed the pigs just as quick as the other cartridges even the big boars & were a lot more comfortable to use,less recoil & noise.

Tumbo

Hey Tumbo,

would be better, to make no failures in expressions, to answer in German, but I find it unpolite on this side, so I try it in English carefully. Yes, you are right, the day will come, where you will make a shot, which goes not perfectly and you say to your self "You $%)(/&%$"!, why have you made this", and yes, some times, the bigger caliber will do not anything better than the small one. A bad shot is a bad shot, no matter what caliber. As I have posted before, normally I use the 8x57IS. I will try the .375Weatherby only, because, I want to get more familier with it, before I took it to Africa. This is a part of my Hunting ethics. Hunting ethics or in German "Waidgerechtigkeit" for me is not defined only in calibers. Of cours, I believe, you should take the right caliber for the shot you will take. But this is not everything. I still believe, that .243 or .44 Magnum is to less, but this does not say you are hunting without ethics. You do not have to forget, that this calibers are illegal in Germany for hunting boars. Sometimes the word "Waidgerechtigkeit" and the people using it constantly make me thick to dead. I do not know you and the way you are hunting, but I believe, you have good hunting ethics. Why? Because you clearly answered, that you missed to boars, due to your failure. I like this and it says a lot about you. Have I missed some game? Yes, two roes, one clean miss and for the second I do not know. I thought I hit him, but we could find any blood or the roe itself, we tried it with two experienced dogs, no way to find him, he was badly hurt in a car Accident and so I tried to shoot him in high grass on the neck on around 250m.
I hope I could make clear, what I want to express. If not, I try it in German the next time.

Have good time, Waidmannsheil !

[ 01-31-2003, 10:26: Message edited by: Hunting Max ]

Konstantin,

thanks for the recipe. I have a canister of N140 which is waiting for some loads....

Let me know, when you are in Munich, probably, we can meet each other?

Regards

hey HuntingMax,..
looking forward too see you
I think after my examinations i�ll go to Munich,..not quiete sure when, but i�ll let you know.

all the best and till soon
Konstantin

To our friends in foreign countries, I thank all of you for writing in English. I can not read the other languages. Since I have not ever hunted wild boar, I greatly appreciate your stories of hunting boar and other "exotics". when I get the chance to hunt boar, I will be using my 458 wm. Not because I think I need it, But because I enjoy shooting it. And it handels so well.

You are welcome Halfbreed. For us this forum is also a good opportunity to practice english you know .
And, just a small correction, please don't use dirty words such as 'exotics' when you refer to our beloved, majestuous Wild Boars : they have been the kings of our woods for milleniums, and still are. They have been revered by my ancestors as a symbol of strength and courage. They are in no way exotic (to us). Not bashing you, just kidding

King Baboon, presently I shoot 286 Blaser CDP (=partitioned) in my 9,3x74R, a comfortable left over from free testing ammo. As a bonus, both barrels shoot in the same hole at 50 m.


Tumbo, besides toughness between genuine wild animals vs. feral ex-domestic ones, there's shooting conditions. A calm, unsuspecting pig is way easier to bring down than a boar full of adrenalin for being chasen by a hound pack.

Hey Andr�,
maybe u overread my question above.....but now i know what kinda bullaet u shoot.
How long you are using the CDP? Would u recommend highly over all other tested bullets? Have it ever failed, or had been stopped by big bones, and so haven�t "created" a leaving whole (Ausschu�?).

hope to hear of u soon
konstantin

King Baboon, you are right this is a good way to practice another language. I have bought a set of tapes to learn the German language. I just don't know how long it will take to actually make sense of it. I just hope I don't insult a bunch of folk's, trying to say something else. And I also enjoy the stories of the Red Stag, which is what I was calling the "exotics"
Halfbreed

Sorry Konstantin, I didn't see your question. It's the second season I'm using the CDP in 9,3x74R, with no failure to report (it seems to be a hard, dual core bullet as exit holes are smaller than with the Norma Alaska. Boars seem to run for a few more meters, with identical hits but CDP's always exit, whatever the angle and there's no sign of bullet blow up inside the carcass). I've tried it in .300 Win Mag too (165 CDP)on Roedeer and was surprised by the, relatively small, 5 cm exit wound with little damage inside (which confirms my feeling regarding bullet toughness). All in all, I would compare the CDP working with the RWS TUG. And, last but not least, CDP's are quite accurate (I tested them in 7x64, .300 Win Mag, 9,3x74R and 9,3x62).

Andr� ..have u used the Noilser PT�s in your 9,3*74R?

That would be my favourite.
Although i�ve heared only goods about the CDP!
cheers
Konstantin

I have used several cartridges for Australian pigs which generally are smaller than their truly wild cousins.

A Browning BLR .308 Winchester with Warne QD mounts with a Leupold 1 1/2-6x compact scope (reticle is picket post with solid cross bars - borrowed for my 375 at present). 150 gr Nosler Solid bases or BTs. This rifle is short, handles well, very fast shooting - a friend once thought I was shooting a by then illegal semi-auto - and this lever action is very accurate, less than 1/2 MOA when I shoot well. Shoots well with open sights as well.

.30-06 Parker Hale M98 with a Weaver 4x scope with tapered post, fine cross hair reticle. 150 gr Noslers solid bases or BTs.

6.5x55 Swedish Mauser 96 with cheap 6x Nikko Stirling scope (came with the rifle and haven't thrown it away yet). 139 gr FMJs with the tips filed off or 120 gr Nosler BTs

.375 H&H Magnum - Whitworth M98 with 1 1/2-6x Leupold scope - 220 gr Taipan Flatpoints. Dynamite.

I would love to hunt European wild boar one day. The closest so far is to chase a few with a camera in Tuscany.

Karl,"guns don`t kill people,people kill people" don`t let that idea get out,some dumb ass buerocrat will try and pass waiting periods on US next.change it to the truth "politicians kill people"then maybe we can impose limits on the amount purchased and even have rules to weed out the "bad" from getting them.they probably (politicians & their buyers)have more money than the N.R.A. but at least we have FACTS on our side.remember "when politicians are outlawed,

hell I can`t finish that one,only outlaws would be (or purchase)politicians,is the way it already seems to be.

No, Konstantin, I haven't tried the Nosler but would expect it to behave OK. 9,3's being exclusively used by hunters, which rarely reload, there's not much choice in ditto reloading components in Belgium. Besides calibers common to both hunters and target shooters, everything "out of the ordinary" has to be special ordered, in quantity and with long waiting delays. Pretty dissuasive...

Andr�,..
but u are reloading your cartridges yourself,or?

konstantin

Hallo Tumbo,

let them go with the big calibres. It would be the same discussion of advantages to use a big or a small car to drive the ten miles to work.

Both will come to the same place.
And if something goes wrong both have an accident. But the one in the bigger car feels more save and accepts therefore all disadvantages.

Best Regards

Konstantin, I reload all my rifle ammo but haven't done so, since a few years, for my double rifle. Reason is, and I'll tell it like it is :
1. lack of local availability of components variety (see above post);
2. my being impatient : testing a double is a pain in the neck as it takes too much time to let bbls. cool between strings ;
3. last but not least, being a gun writer gives me access to free factory ammo for testing

Hey Andr� ..if u need a good adress for reloading equipment(Luxembourg)...may be not arround the corner , but nearer as...
If ua re interested...tell me or send me a Pers. Mail.
I�ll give it to u..

Konstantin

I know Konstantin, I regularly buy from Lorang and Freylinger* in GDL. They're usually out of stock in many bullet types/calibers (they mainly carry Sierra) and bulk order no more than once or twice a year (they need quantity to lower duties and freight).

*the easiest for me. My wife works in the EP and spends a week in Strasburg each month. Freylinger is located just next to the highway on her way back and she (sometimes) accepts to pull off and stop in order to hand over a little paper slip carrying my order at Freylinger's counter The downside of it is that she learns to know the cost of my toys