and you just confirmed your identity....


ooohhh don, shit in isle five needing to be swiped out again.

peter

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Originally posted by vgmhunor:
Since day one. Even before that in colonial times, while in Europe nobility was preaccupied with persecution of villagers trying to poach a few rabbits to feed their starving familys.

history is really not your strong point, is it ?

Please, elaborate. Bring some specific evidence prooving citizens ever needed to appease some burokrats, nobility or other head honcho to hunt public land-which is by the way set aside in great aboundance for the enjoyment of all.I certainly don't feel the urge (and/or "privilage") to kiss the rear end of the Wal-Mart clerk handing over my $35 hunting licence.

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Originally posted by vgmhunor:

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Originally posted by peterdk:

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Originally posted by vgmhunor:
Since day one. Even before that in colonial times, while in Europe nobility was preaccupied with persecution of villagers trying to poach a few rabbits to feed their starving familys.

history is really not your strong point, is it ?

Please, elaborate. Bring some specific evidence prooving citizens ever needed to appease some burokrats, nobility or other head honcho to hunt public land-which is by the way set aside in great aboundance for the enjoyment of all.I certainly don't feel the urge (and/or "privilage") to kiss the rear end of the Wal-Mart clerk handing over my $35 hunting licence.

no i am not talking of your socialistic comunity shared outdoors, but this remark

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while in Europe nobility was preaccupied with persecution of villagers trying to poach a few rabbits to feed their starving familys.

if you look at the dividing of game in hochwild and niederwild etc in europe that should give you a pretty good idea about who could hunt what.
now if you were trespassing on private land and hunted there, then as now you were hunted down and prosecuted for that.

most places in europe have comunity owned land where you can hunt if you are a member of the local hunting society, that have been set in place to control the hunting is done in a decent and good way, making sure that the place is not overrun by people on their ATV etc.

so the difference is not that big except size.

best

peter

getting back at the first step of this topic, dear Gintrap, you can find some worst data on caccia il cacciatore , a site whose name translated is "Hunt the hunter " or Lega per l'abolizione della caccia that translated means "Hunt abolition league".
This last site declares 26 people dead for hunting accident, but a more correct definition should be accidents happened during the hunt. Of the 26 deadly accidents, 12 (TWELWE) are not hunting accidents, 1 is a car crash, 1 drowned falling from the boat, 1 in a quarrel with another hunter, two falled from the rocks, 7 dead because coronary or sudden illness (probably coronary again).
Of the remaining 14 real hunting accidents 6 were in Tuscany and Sardinia, during wild boars hunt without high visibility jackets and no rifles. Not a honest behaviour IMHO.

I take a look to the preious years and the situatuin doesn't change. Always too much accident, no doubt, but you are however working for antis if you continue in taking data without knowing the real situation.

There is people thet is working hard to improve the education and the safety during the hunt, but doing as you do is like throwing the child with the dirt water and because the dirt water, as we say in Italy.

I've been not toomuch precise, 26 deadly accident during 2009-2010 year.

Stefano - Thanks for the info.

I believe you mean "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

Good hunting.

Ciao

Yes, but in Italy we say dirty

I love it

Steffan keep it up ............

In Spain we have the same problem about hunting accidents, about 24 deads per year. It isn't only a problem of education, it's a problem of a modalities of hunting, our traditional "monteria" (drive hunt). You can imagine near of a hundred of armed hunter shooting in area of 1000 acres to understand the dangerous of this modalities. Stalk is safer, it's very rare an accident when you are stalking.

Regards

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Originally posted by kibokolambogo:The bureaucracy, practical exams and costs involved in obtaining a firearm license in Italy is mind boggling - what qualifies a citizen in the USA to purchase and own one firearm or more? - Just a Social Security Card!
Maybe that is the reason why there are more firearm related deaths in the USA than anywhere else in the world - so much for firearm safety!

With the amount of mind boggling bureaucracy and involved costs you would think that they would be more careful and respectful of their fellow hunters.You don't end up shooting 30+ hunters a year, year on year by being safety conscientious and respectful.

Trying to compare the US firearm death rate ant the Italian hunter death tolls is like trying to compare American cheddar and Pecorino. They both might be call cheese but only one is actually worth eating.

Pecorino for sure!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Kiboko,

The number of gun-related deaths in the US each year also includes all of the drug dealers and illegals shootings. If you take out the deliberate murders, the number drops nearly in half.

Rich

You said it Rich and what would that figure be?

Death/injury through misuse of a firearm is one and the same, hunting, armed robbery or plain thuggery. If its any consolation, being shot while hunting could be more acceptable and regarded as accidental - can't say the same thing being shot on the street by some spaced out junkie!

The Italian laws are quite different and rigorous (I confirm 'recently' as I just went through the process regardless of having legally possessed firearms for the past 40 years in a different country) - possession of firearms has its own set of rules and exams - hunting permit has another; divided into lowland or alpine.

And yes I will give credit where credit is due and that being there are too many shooters in too restricted an area - the game is neither that plentiful unless one hunts on a private reserve ($$$) and its a mad scramble in the 'open areas'.

So whilst the relevant authorities make every effort to prevent such tragedies from occurring, when the season opens it is literally "open season".

Without entering into the discussion that erupted from this thread I can contribute from personal experience after having lived in the heart of some of the most "rustic" hunting country in Italy, Tuscany where the bear drives are a very big deal.
I have hunted with 3 of the local "teams" over the years but it got to the point where I just had to stop because it is simply too haphazard for my liking, I've seen too many close calls and stopped going on the hunts despite the locals and many friends continously inviting me.
There is some truth in the point put forward.

There were in the US in 2008 67 fatal hunting accedents, the statistics do not break down how many were gun related or tree stand related. The best figure that the USFW can come up with is somewere around 20.8 million hunters were in the field in 2008. Those hunters spent 268 million days in the field on 207 million hunting trips. You do the math, but that seems like a fairly safe population to me.

............not only in the field:

://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/italy-health-minister-visits-apologizes-to-woman-who-gave-birth-amid-fighting-doctors-101784408.html

Its probably an age thing but I would'nt think twice about going to shoot boar in Italy. If I had an invite I would be off like a shot. I could get run over crossing the road and some things just need to be experienced.

I have only ever shot in the UK and France and one day when money and time allows I will range farther afield.