I have this dead horse in my yard(half of it now)and I have been shooting wolves and coyotes, etc. off of it from the house.(150 yards away now)
I have been limited to when I can shoot from the window. If I wake up my wife or one of the kids, I am in deep shit. Last night I had to pass on a big wolf because the kids were sleeping. This morning I impatiently watched a wolverine for half an hour while I waited for my wifes alarm clock to go off. Then I took care of the wolverine.(I scared him off.)
I have been using my 222 Rem. It is a bit too loud. I have shot without waking the kids but I am taking big chances.(I would rather poke a bear in the ass with a sharp stick than wake the wife up!) I thought of making a box with a port in it to shoot through to muffle the muzzle blast a little as well as loading lighter loads. It is illegal to have a silencer but what if it not attatched to the gun?
A friend recomended that I build a small room with double insulated walls and sound absorbing tiles to shoot from.( This would have to be for next year.)
I also thought of getting a 22 hornet. They are considerably quieter. The hornet would be a little on the small side but with perfect shot placement it might work.
Anyone know much about the 300 whisper?

If you have any ideas or sudjestions I would appreciate them.

Daryl

[ 02-22-2003, 01:54: Message edited by: Yukoner ]

Yukon - Most of us wish we had your problems. So forgive me if I'm not to sympathetic with a guy who can hunt wolves out his kitchen window.

I don't know your situation but the cardboard box idea may not be as silly as it sounds. Possibly set a big box outside the widow with a good hole to view the carcas and shoot thru. You might also afix the inside of the box with egg cartons, especially the old fiber egg cartons. They are very sound absorbing. Then try that. Just develop yourself something when the shooting time is safe. OR, perhaps set yourself up some other location, i.e. from a garage or barn, where your shot will have little impact on the house. Maybe get the kids aside and tell them, "If you hear daddy shoot early this morning...DON'T GET UP. Just go back to sleep."

I don't like the options of loading the rifle down or stepping down to the hornet.

Maybe encourage the wife to have a couple of glasses of wine before bed? Of course if you wake her up with a hangover, she'll probably strangle you with your own intestines.

Like I say, I'm not too sympathetic. Anyone with your hunting options should be thrown in the horse trough.

This came up over at 24hrcampfire. I think a device that Ken Waters made would work as you may only be shooting in one general direction. He made a tube from two rolls of screen wire and lined it with insulation. I suppose you could hang it with wires from the ceiling.

Do a seach over there. Waters does not post there. It's just that his name came up when someone reinvented that device.

Seems like an application for a bow and arrow or crossbow.

[ 02-18-2003, 23:21: Message edited by: Savage99 ]

I've seen guys take rolls of glass-fiber insulation to shoot through. The longer the "tube" and the smaller the hole in the back, the more deadening you get.

One of the gun-scribes in the mid-90's wrote an article about what he did to keep the neighbor's from getting mad: it was a similar setup: a long box with insulation inside. He said it sounded about like a car door slamming to the neighbors.

Perhaps a couple of 55 gal drums welded end to end and covered with insulation on the inside? Or even a big culvert? HTH, Dutch.

Pecos45,
Yes, I feel fortunate to have the life style that the north has to offer. I have to remind myself at times not to take things for granted. The freedom and hunting oppertunities will not last forever.
Thanks for the sudjestions.
I will bribe my kids. My wife will not be so easy, but I think she can be bought.

Savage99, Dutch,

I built an insulation tube like you have described. Took me no more than 15min. I have got it set up on a barrel out side the window. I tested it out. No more loud bang that rattles the house. Just a big "plump". It is funny how that with the muzzle blast muffled, you can hear the sonic crack. The sonic crack is not a problem because you really can't hear it unless your outside.

Anouther thing I am going to experiment with is subsonic rounds. I searched archives and some other sites. Apparently, heavy bullets out of a 45/70, 338Win, or 308 cal with 10 grains of pistol powder work pretty good. I have all those calibers and I will research it thoroughly before I try it. If anyone has info on subsonic load data I would sure be interested in hearing from you.

Daryl

Hey this is an easy one. Just sneak through the house and set all the alarm clocks an hour forward. This way you get to shoot and the entire family gets to have a good laugh, and enjoy your wonderful sense of humour!

Elmo

I think a 22mag(rimfire) should do the trick and be alot quieter. They work great on yotes and maybey the wolf won't drop on the spot but what the hell, you can practice you tracking skills. It might be fun trying those head shots that will drop them like a bag of shit.

Great Yukoner! Glad it worked out for you!

How about some details? Size, materials, etc? I'm sure someone else could use the information in the future.

As far as buying the wife: everything is for sale, it just depends on the amount....... or the number of carats..... LOL! Dutch.

I have a friend that built one out of a plastic 55 gallon drum. He used spray adhesive and frberglass insulation. Cut a 6" hole in one side and the bottom out of the other. He was shooting rabbits with a 308. He would shoot from the 6" hole side. If you have a smaller area your shooting at, you can cut a smaller hole in the bottom. That will help to quiet it down some more. Glad to here you found somthing that worked. I wish I had you problem. My wife sleeps like a rock. Darrin

Yukoner,

I have been to your little town 2 times on hunting trips and love it there.

As far as your troubles go, I think the .22hornet will do a great job if you hand load for it and limmit your shots to under 175 yards on the bigger stuff, I'm not sure that you will see that much of a seperation between the sound though. hornets tend to be loud or at least mine are.

silencers are against the law but baffels arent, you can take an old lawnmower exaust pipe about 5" long and drill out the center[for bullet clearance] and rig to your muzzle. It will not elininate sound but it will quiet it down a lot. Be certian to check clearance befor firing the gun.
You can e-mail me if you have any questions.

Smote the Yote
Slydog

Just a note of caution......If you fire through your "sound tube" often, it would be very wise to change the insulation and clean it out regularly...... unburned powder WILL accumulate in the bottom of the tube and WILL eventually flash off when you shoot.....not exactly a good idea to have your sound tube flash off when your face is close to the hole!!!!! Can you say smoking hair???? I knew you could!

How are going to assure you'll have dead horse bait next year?

Wish I had windows that actually opened in the winter, damned ol'farm house.

Chris

What about a glasspak muffler? Anyone have one they could test for us and see how well it works?

Awesome !
Wolves out the back window, off a dead horse carcass. Sounds like Old Milwaukee time, cause it don't get no better than that.

Get the gal some ear plugs and commence shootin !

Yoy can always use liter plastic botles,if you don't have a front sight slide it over and use tape to hold it on, cut out the bottom just a little larger than the round your using, it will work for half a dozen or so and evry one just about drinks soda

Flowers! They work wonders and are multi-purpose too!

I know where you are coming from, I've been blasting coons from my back porch with my 30-06, and our bedrooom has a sliding glass door that opens out on to the same porch. The problem is that the coons hang out at a measured 110 yards and that is a little stretch for the 22 magnum, and hey ya gotta admit it is hard to beat shooting a racoon from your back porch at 1:45 in the morning. Anyway my wife knows it is a necessary evil for me to have to do this, but I still think it scares the hell out of her when the gun goes off while she is in a deep sleep. I'd be tempted to go on a point system, wolves so many points, coyotes so many points. X number of points wife gets flowers or a dinner out, etc. You could load your 222 down and use something like unique or bullseye, but I don't think you'd have enough energy left to reliably kill at 150 yards, same thing with the hornet.

I'm glad to hear the tube is working out, what dimensions and materials did you use?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CISCO:
[QB]How are going to assure you'll have dead horse bait next year?

Chris,
What do you take me for?
You must have faith in me. Let just say there are lots of horses around and leave it at that.

Fellows,

moments ago, I got my first chance to try the insulation tube for real. While I was hanging out on this site I check out the window now and then. I have had no action since I made the tube but tonight I got a visitor and my wife is soundly asleep in the next room. I opened the window ever so slowly. I was nervous as hell. Matter of fact I am still shaking. Without divulging any more details, everything worked out great and the wife is still sleeping. I am laughing to myself.... my fear of waking my wife feels just like having buck feavor.

All I did for the tube(thanks again guys) was cut a piece of stucko wire or chicken wire about 4'X 4' and rolled it in to a tube about 1 foot in dia. I used the wire of the mesh itself to attach to the opposite side. Then I wrapped the tube with a couple of layers of R12 glass insulation. Then I wrapped it with anouther(longer piece, hence now larger diam.)of wire mesh. The inner hole is about 1 foot in dia. with a thickness of insulation of about 5" around it. The tube of coarse is 4 feet long. The muzzle only needs to be inside a couple of inches. Works like a goddam.

Boilerroom
I don't have a 22 mag. but I think you are right. I think it will work fine. I am looking for info on how to down load my 222 to 22mag or less velosities.

[ 02-21-2003, 14:48: Message edited by: Yukoner ]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by elmo:
[QB]Hey this is an easy one. Just sneak through the house and set all the alarm clocks an hour forward. This way you get to shoot and the entire family gets to have a good laugh, and enjoy your wonderful sense of humour!

Elmo,

Poking a grizz in the ass with a sharp stick sounds like a better proposition to me.

Daryl

awww, come on, admit it: any time you can sneak around on the wife, it adds to the fun! LOL! Dutch.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yukoner:

[ 02-22-2003, 01:53: Message edited by: Yukoner ]

Yukoner look here for loads for your .222 see AA1680 with 50 Gr. bullets the velocities are just over 22 Magnum. You will need to place the http:// in front of this it's not allowing me to enter a URL accuratearms.com/data/guide/rifle/standard_data_(rifle)/222%20Remington%20pages%20181%20and%20182.pdf

[ 02-22-2003, 02:01: Message edited by: Oleman ]

Yukoner-

I quote you... "The freedom and hunting oppertunities will not last forever"

Anyone who calls shooting wildlife from the window of their home "hunting" further tarnishes the image of hunting (and hunters) in the eyes of the antis. These very "freedoms and hunting opportunities" you speak of are the ones that you are helping to destroy.

erict,

BOO HOO, go cry on someone elses door step.

You do not know the entire situation about the rural/agriculteral area I live in. The wilderness is my next door neighbor. You don't live here and I don't live near Syracuse NY.( Thank god for that.)

By the way, I don't call it hunting either. For some reason I do not recall me saying that I was hunting.

Daryl

Daryl

Good on ya Daryl. I remember reading about one of the gunwriters who had the same problem, and built himself a tube made of old tires, stacked against each other. Stuffed the inside of the tires with insulation, if I remember correctly, said it worked like a hot damn. I plan on doing something similar when I build my own range. - Dan

I like the tire idea and heard it before. They won't blow off the stand and the insulation should stay dry inside the tires.

Yukoner-

You have PM.

Yukoner, you mite look into one of those chamber inserts where the base round is the same size as the 222 but uses a 22 mag.

Yukoner; I'd be careful with the downloading. If the powder volume is insufficient to fill the casing,the flame from the primer can travel over the powder igniting the entire charge at once and creating a very dangerous over-pressure in the chamber. I have personally seen the results of this in a 45ACP in excellent working condition. Well at least it was. Fortunatly the Owner/shooter was wearing shooting glasses and only ended up with damaged glasses and a couple of tiny scars on his right hand. If you r powder won't fill the case guys then use something as a filler to hold the powder against the primer. Derf-new guylol

Yukoner,
I have used bluedot pistol powder with lighter .224 cal bullets to acheive the noise level of a 22wmr with much better performance. Start out with 10gr of bluedot and a 40 or 45gr bullet and work up very slowly until you reach the level of performance you need. It will be much quieter than full loads of 222.

Dave, your name and your signature somehow don't seem to match! You gotta explain where you came up with that one? Dutch.

Dutch, don't follow the question what you want to know?

Dave, "niet geschoten is altijd mis" seems somehow incongruous with "Dave James". Jan, on the other hand..... . Dutch.

erict,

You have never been to Whitehorse have you?

Yukoner,

What a great thread! It is nice to see things like this still go on. Hey, did you and the 7th graders go bison hunting yet?? I have heard the bison success rates are way down this year due to a lack of snow. True or not?

Best Regards,

JohnTheGreek

Yukoner

I have a 222 insert and some 22 Mag ammo so will try to test fire some this weekend!

That is IF:

I can find the 22 Mag ammo,

and

folks get qualified and clear the range so I can shoot,

and

the insert will fit in the tight (VERY TIGHT) chamber of my 788.

LouisB

the best solution is to let me shoot the varmints-she can be mad at me all she wants.

arty,


JohnTheGreek,
The Bison hunt is not till March 10.

Yes it is true. There is barely enough snow in the area to use a snowmachine. I am hoping we get more snow by then. If not we will have to make the best of it. I may trailer my horses in if it doesn't and the weather permits. I don't think Tim Mervyn took any Bison hunters this winter. Last time I talked to him he said the reason was the lack of snow.

Daryl

Yukoner,
Hope your hunt in March goes off well. My understanding is also that the hunter success rates have been falling up there on Bison since the early years as the critters have been getting increasingly wary and getting pushed by hunting pressure into more rugged country. With a lack of snow, I can't even imagine how tough that hunt would become. I guess some of those bulls will just have to get one year older and bigger. hmmmm. maybe next year . . .

Best,

John

Dutch, it comes from a friend of my father,who I hunted with as a kid,he used to shake his head and say the phrase to me every time I pass on or missed a shot

Great thread, Daryl. As I was going through it I thought I would suggest the worn out tire thing, but I see someone already did. Apparently it works like a hot-damn too.

Good shootin,
Canuck