Here is what is claimed for Pedersoli 50-90 2.5" and 50-70 1.75" barrel Specs, same for both:

.504" bore/lands
.512" groove, 6-groove
1:26" twist

Sumbuddy who know Shiloh Sharps barrel specs for the 50-90 Sharps 2.5" and the 50-70 Govt.?

Pedersoli used to offer the "Sharps M1874 Long Range Target Rifle" in 50-70 and 50-90,
but it is not currently listed in that caliber on their web site:



Shiloh Sharps "1874 Long Range Express":

IIRC they are 500/508 with a 1-26 twist. A 1-36 twist is available on special order. A friend of mine has one with the fast twist, and it takes a 750 grain bullet for it to really come in to its own.

I have a 50-90 with a 1-26 twist and it flat out won't shoot a bullet of less than 650 grains in weight. You will be a lot happier with a good 45.

I have a Shiloh long range express 40/90 1/18" twist it is a tack driver .408 bore ./410 lyman bullet 420 gr bullets WW shot from mold , not sized 85 gr [3Fmix2f] , I have no target pictures ! 3 shot group at 500 YDS under 2" .
I shoot a mix 3f to 2f I have not tried Hodgton 3F triple 7 yet .If that is not clear 1/2 lb of 2f & 1/2 lb of 3f 50/50 mix . Much cleaner barrel shoot strings of 8 before see any group change .

Thanks guys.

One question leads to another:

For a "good 45" which chambering would be best in a Shiloh 1874 Long Range Express?
Shiloh offerings: 45/-70-90-100-110-120
45-70 or 45-90 for targets?
45-100 is good for what?
45-110 or 45-120 for 200-yard hunting?


Looks like the 1874 Montana Rough Rider is very similar to the 1874 Long Range Express,
except the former has a 30" barrel and no cheek rest instead of 34" with cheek rest.
Both rifles have pistol grip and close to zero drop from nose to heel, comb near parallel to bore.
And either can be had with ebony (Schnabble or round) or pewter (Hartford style) forearm tip.
And standard cheekpiece or cheekpiece with accent line are options on both rifles.
But barrel length and weights are surely optional too.
So no difference after options are applied to the standard model packages?

If you want to hunt, don't even consider a Long Range Express. The 34 inch barrel is a real PITA to hunt with, and the rifle comes without barrel sights. Your best bet for a do everything rifle is a Number One Sporter or a Roughrider with a Number 1 Heavy 30 inch barrel in 45-70. If you just have to have a longer case for the cool factor, get a 45-90. Loaded correcetly, the 45-70 has no trouble reaching 1000 yards, and kills anything on the planet with the right bullets.

The larger capacity cases are often difficult to get really good accuracy from, cost more to shoot, and won't out penetrate a 45-70. The larger cases DO offer more recoil.

If you have a 40-65 and a 45-70, you really can handle anything that you may need to. An elk broadside at 400 yards is a gimme with a 45-70 Sharps.

Just remembered this on the shelf: From Pacific tool & Gauge, Dave Kiff's book, "The Gunsmiths Book of Chamber Prints"
lists these bore and groove specs:

50-70 Govt.: .500/.510 (historic original was 0.500/.515)
50-70 Shiloh: .500/.508
50/90 STR 2-1/2 Shiloh: .4995/.509
50-110 Express: .500/.512
50/140 Sharps 3-1/4: .500/.509
50/140 Sharps/Shiloh: .500/.509

Just a wee bit squirrely when all authorities are considered.
I shall move on, back to 45-70 Govt.

OK Sharpsguy I have sent private messages to you and no REPLY'S WHERE DID YOU LEARN THAT A SHOLOH SHARPS BARREL OR ANY OTHER IS TIGHTER AT THE MUZZLE 4" OR MORE ?

Concho--I never received your private message. Kirk Bryan at Shiloh told me that Shiloh barrels have a slight taper choke starting about 4 inches from the muzzle. Run a tight patch through one, and you can definitely feel it. Grease a bullet and run it from breech to muzzle, and you can feel it this way, too. Likewise with the Pedersoli barrels. They are also choked. My Green Mountain barrels do not show any choke at the muzzle.

Sharp Guy Thanks , I never knew that my sharps or the pedersoli was choked . Great Info .again thanks possibly the mail went to your spam folder . I sent using your personal e-mail address in this forum . Concho

quote:

A friend of mine has one with the fast twist, and it takes a 750 grain bullet for it to really come in to its own.

Sharpsguy Where did your friend get the mold for that size bullet ? Accurate molds only come up to 725 gr and it looks like a wad cutter type ? or slug ? Bullet design #50-725W detail
http://accuratemolds.com/img/b...detail/50-725W-D.png

Steve Brooks at Brooks Molds made it for him.

Thanks ! Love this forum

It lives! ... the forum.

For the 50/90 Pedersoli: I have a .512/650gr Hoch mould now, handles on backorder, though I can grind an RCBS set of handles to work ...

Starline 50/90 Sharps 2.5" brass is not available anywhere ... backorder blues again ...

And finally, regarding the potmetal rear sight saddle on the McNelly Sharps 1859 percussion conversion replica 50/70 Govt., from Taylor's/Armi Sport:
Thanks to sharpsguy, I got a short Lawrence Ladder carbine sight from Shiloh, and Rusty McGee Gunsmith fabricated a new saddle from scratch,
to fit the huge dovetail on the McNelly.





It is rock solid now.
Has True Grit.

I might be able to get it sighted in now.
It shot like this when the potmetal rear sight saddle was patched with JB Weld: Worth salvaging.

True Grit and Truly Big Fifty with an extra foot of barrel:



Both are .504"/.512" for bore/groove, best I can tell:
50-70 Govt. with 22" barrel is 1:18" twist.
50-90 Sharps with 34" barrel is 1:26" twist.

Now that is funny!

Widener's has 50-90 and 50-70 brass right now.

Wideners's .50-90 Sharps