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Originally posted by Norseman:

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
Norseman it was always my understanding that a rider (& gear) should not exceed 20%. I don't know if that is correct or not, just what I was told.

I have to ask why would a Hancock horse be suggested? (maybe because Joe Hancock's maternal sire was a Percheron?). Joe Hancock died in the first 1/2 of the last century, something like 70 years ago. The second part is something I previously mentioned, the lack of a .22 in breeding programs. Someone with a couple of dozen mares trying to preserve a blood line is kidding themselves. Mostly they're going to a lot of effort to produce a dink. The great breeders like King Ranch ran 100's of mares and might only use a couple of foals over the years that were line breed. The difference is the great breeders were looking for a type, genetic traits, of which Klegborg was a master, vs. a backyard breeder with 6 mares that carry 10 crosses to Red Man/Blue Valentine or whatever looking for a percentage of bloodline.

On another note, does it seems inconsistent to say on one hand look at the individual horse and on the other hand rule out an entire population of a particular breed?

RichardAustin you are correct about the rider/ horse ratio.

Why would I suggest a Hancock horses? I suggested line-bred Hancock horses due to their conformation, size, weight, stamina, athleticism, sure-footed, hard hooves and calm demeanor. This what I call VERSATILITY.

I don't what you mean by someone having a couple of dozen mares trying to preserve a blood line is kidding themselves? One should focus on SIRE'S, there are stallions and then there are sires.


You need to remember that Joe Hancock ended up at 6666 Ranch toward the end of career and they had hundreds of mares.

There a lot of Hancock breeder's that don't advertise on paper or internet here in the Northwest/West of the Mississippi River and there horses are usually sold out every year.

I recently bidded $8000.00 on a stallion named Joe Hancock Lee and lost and the seller refused to me how much he was sold for.
He was trailered to Tennessee from Oregon.

Backyard breeder's? mmmmmm? I know a backyard breeder that has 3 stallions that are worth about $20,000.00 each and he also 8 mares that are worth at least $8,000.00 a piece. He only sells to people that are active in pro-rodeo circuit. I also know a guy that has 5 stallions that might be worth $3500.00 a piece and he has a band of 60 mares that are maybe worth $1000.00 at the most.
So who is the backyard breeder???????????

It does seem inconsistent to rule out a breed but not bloodlines.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Well as someone who was raised around horses and still works cattle in the high mountain country in Idaho, and grew up in the rough as hell mountains of the Texas Big Bend, and who presently at 80 years old is still team roping at least once a week, I have a pretty good idea of what I like in a horse.

Quarter horses and Throughbreds have always worked for me and when I need to rope a cow or slide off a shale slide, I want a quick footed, atheletic kind of horse with small black hard feet, not a big clumsy draft horse. When I'm getting off and on all day long, I don't want a 17 or 18 hands horse, and you sure don't want to step off on the downhill side of a mountain simply because its a long ways the the dirt. Draft horses or better yet half draft horses are fine on trails and can step over blow down timber, and can pack gear well enough..but lets remember horses are bred to do certain disaplanes and that is very important. Draft horses are bred to plow, pack, and relie solely on size and strength, they are not bred to ride IMO, nor to do ranch work or hunting in rough country.

As to quarter horses and throughbreds having the feet bred off them, I don't think I have ever heard such nonsence, they are bred to have feet and bone to match their size, just like a draft horse and such statements only show me a lack of knowledge on the subject as any real horseman would know better than to make such a statement.

My horses are quarter horses, my heel horse is 14.5 hands, my head horse is 15.3 hands, IMO that is the size they need to be for the disaplanes I use them for. I use them both to round up cattle in some damn rough country with no trails, I use them for hunting and I can ride where deer go, I don't tie them up and hunt of foot, I hunt off the horse.

My point being there are all kinds of horses and they are all good for what they are bred to do, some of every breed are good and some of every breed are not so good, like human athelets, but using the correct horse for the job at hand is like using the right tool to do any job.

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Originally posted by Norseman:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Well as someone who was raised around horses and still works cattle in the high mountain country in Idaho, and grew up in the rough as hell mountains of the Texas Big Bend, and who presently at 80 years old is still team roping at least once a week, I have a pretty good idea of what I like in a horse.

Quarter horses and Throughbreds have always worked for me and when I need to rope a cow or slide off a shale slide, I want a quick footed, atheletic kind of horse with small black hard feet, not a big clumsy draft horse. When I'm getting off and on all day long, I don't want a 17 or 18 hands horse, and you sure don't want to step off on the downhill side of a mountain simply because its a long ways the the dirt. Draft horses or better yet half draft horses are fine on trails and can step over blow down timber, and can pack gear well enough..but lets remember horses are bred to do certain disaplanes and that is very important. Draft horses are bred to plow, pack, and relie solely on size and strength, they are not bred to ride IMO, nor to do ranch work or hunting in rough country.

As to quarter horses and throughbreds having the feet bred off them, I don't think I have ever heard such nonsence, they are bred to have feet and bone to match their size, just like a draft horse and such statements only show me a lack of knowledge on the subject as any real horseman would know better than to make such a statement.

My horses are quarter horses, my heel horse is 14.5 hands, my head horse is 15.3 hands, IMO that is the size they need to be for the disaplanes I use them for. I use them both to round up cattle in some damn rough country with no trails, I use them for hunting and I can ride where deer go, I don't tie them up and hunt of foot, I hunt off the horse.

My point being there are all kinds of horses and they are all good for what they are bred to do, some of every breed are good and some of every breed are not so good, like human athelets, but using the correct horse for the job at hand is like using the right tool to do any job.

Never heard of a quarter horse that was 14.5 hands as a heel horse, that seem's awful big!!!!!

Let's focus on 333_OKH needs.

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP475,

There ain't no such thing as a 14.5 hand horse regardless of the horse breed.

I thought you were an expert at quarter horses and thoroughbred?

4" per hand.

So who need's to get out more?

Yeah, that is one big ass heel horse in Louisiana for damn sure!

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Originally posted by Norseman:
http://www.onlineconversion.com/horse_height.htm

No such thing as a 14.5 or even 14.4 hand horse.
Most people who know about that also know's that the next greater height measurement after 14.3 is 15.0 hands not 14.4, 14.5 or even 14.6

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP,

what happened when you type in 14.5 on the online conversion link I provided?

Most people? you must be speaking for the people in your neighborhood.

Type in 14.8 and see what happens just for kick's!

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP,

what happened when you type in 14.5 on the online conversion link I provided?

Most people? you must be speaking for the people in your neighborhood.

Type in 14.8 and see what happens just for kick's!

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Originally posted by Norseman:
JWP,

I am not into baking stoves.

Why haven't you ask your vet or jockey?

Anyway the link below might be easier for JWP to understand.


http://www.mohorses.com/horsehandschart.html

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Originally posted by Hugh McKissen:
I sure don't want to step into such a good disagreement already in progress ,but, when discussing a horse's size why not just stick to the "norm".....if a horse is 14 1/2 hands high, why not just say 14.2, that's what it is....someone says 14.8 to me, first off I figure he don't know what he's talkin about or he's talkin tenths of an inch, (or ?)which also doesn't make sense to me and I'd need a calculator....just say what they are....14.2, 15.1 or what ever....no dog in this fight but someone who may not know how horses are "measured" may get a bit confused when (or if) reading this thread....good spin though..

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Originally posted by Hugh McKissen:
I sure don't want to step into such a good disagreement already in progress ,but, when discussing a horse's size why not just stick to the "norm".....if a horse is 14 1/2 hands high, why not just say 14.2, that's what it is....someone says 14.8 to me, first off I figure he don't know what he's talkin about or he's talkin tenths of an inch, (or ?)which also doesn't make sense to me and I'd need a calculator....just say what they are....14.2, 15.1 or what ever....no dog in this fight but someone who may not know how horses are "measured" may get a bit confused when (or if) reading this thread....good spin though..