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 couldnt said it better myself! the times i spoke with him, he was always friendly and polite. even signed my copy of "Any Shot You Want" Too bad he had a stroke, I wish him nothing but the best  *We Band of 45-70er's* "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt- | |||
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It's a nice story, but STORY is what it is. AA has run afoul of the law too many times to believe his side VS the court's side. An honest man would have been in contact with his customers ten years or so ago and admitted to some issues, like MT Jeff has here with us. Rich | |||
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All I can say is the Art has bent over backwards to help me out a couple of times. He has always treated me with respect and has always come through on his word. Just my personal dealings. I do believe a couple of him office staff fucked him over pretty good in the past. After all the charges by ATF trumped up or not, he was never found guilty on any of those charges. Again, all I can go off of is my personal experience with him and it has always been exempilary. Maybe I am just lucky. He has always treated me very well. | |||
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I have no dog in this fight, and do own a copy of his book, but, anyone who puts in writing that they have a nonexistent degree from a such a fine institution as West Point, makes anything and everything else they say and do worthless to me. In fact, it tends to make me think the ATF was correct and he probably got off on a technicality. | |||
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Sad story for me, I haven't seen him in years. We often had booths near each other at several shows in the late 80' and early 90's. He was always a great guy to me-- guess I got to see the good side. (As to the comments re: strokes changing personality--it is a known medical fact as can other brain injuries.) DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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All I ever got from the Army was an Associates Degree in Applied Mayhem. And a Silver Medal in the SE Asian War Games. Rich Sua Sponte | |||
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The original ATF charges were over a rifle he exported without the proper license- he donated the rifle as a Prize at the ZPHGA agm. He didn't apply for an export permit and simply bought the rifle with him as personal luggage- and never took it back. The ATF were pretty sure they had him...but the winner of the rifle was an American - the SCI rep at the AGM!!! and the rifle was in the USA when everything finally got to court. Many a rifle has been left in Africa as a gift or tip or whatever, but if you own a company making rifles...you had better do the paperwork 100% correctly...ask Guy Savage of Saber Defence who has just been bust for muchthe same thing - guy aledges it was a couple of AR lowers that some workers shipped to Mexico...ATF allege otherwise....but Saber has been closed and last I heard was being auctioned off | |||
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 nice!*We Band of 45-70er's* "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt- | |||
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I am now read AA's book "Any Shot You Want" and I am very impressed. I now feel I have some insite into the man. No fleeting blabber on the net can compare with setting your thoughts in print. I had a bad experience with A2 ammo but I dont feel inclined to jump on the personal attack bandwagon - Not appropriate in my case, IMHO. Given a choice of trusting the ATF or Art, I go with Art. Bankruptcy is too bad, but when that happens everyone suffers. Again nothing that warrants this kind of personal character assignation. Art appears to be another great figure in the history and story of arms and ammo development. I give him my respect for that. It will take much more credible evidence of some serious wrong doing than any presented here for to make me think bad of the man on any personal level. | |||
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Opinions are like azzholes; every body has one, and most of them stink. Mine included, at times. The current deal seems to be very simple. Rich | |||
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always more behind the scenes, keep watching, he may have really 86d himself this time | |||
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Fourbore, Art is looking for investors, perhaps you should liquidate your IRA and savings and invest in his company...? Maybe take a second on your home? If he is blameless as you say, after admitting you got screwed on an ammunition deal, it is a chance to make a lot of money. regards, Rich | |||
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Haha! I wish I had the resources. I retired yet sadly, the IRA rollover is not holding up as well as hopped. I went on a job interview this week  Damn, that was tough. Guys half my age double teaming me with trick questions. Well at least I have my health if not any excess wealth. Thats all relative, I think Ive been luckier than many. At least I dont have a 1st on my home, and its going to stay that way. Respect or benefit of doubt is one thing, giving cash is another. No way on that. Another 2c, if I may. Apparently, Art did graduate West Point and serve our country. I appreciate that (I am all more in his debt as I did not) I can easily ignore any nitpicking error over the curriculum details. I certainly appreciate your contribution as well. | |||
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Staying tuned for news from Wyoming ... My firsthand knowledge of Art Alphin is limited to meeting him at a Shot Show. He was wearing a soft cervical collar, claiming to have been T-boned by a woman driver in a recent MVA. I imagined he was working the case for a money settlement, pain and suffering and such. He must have been in considerable pain as he was a grouchy sumbitch who would not give me the time of day, except to tell his sob story. fourbore: Claiming a nonexistant degree from West Point is not a "nitpicking" curriculum detail, it is a big fat lie. You are just as FOS as AA if you think so. I am very familiar with the West Point curriculum of 1972 to 1973, when I matriculated as a 17 year-old plebe. There was no "weapons systems engineering degree" then or before or since. I am a West Point dropout, Viet Nam era, quit when they quit, served 4 years in the USAF as the Army could not house break me. I will never forgive them for locking that last (300th) silhouette at 300 meters and forcing me to accept an imperfect score of 299 out of 300 on the rifle qualifying.  Two old ladies layin' in bed, One rolled over to the other and said ... | |||
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Did Art graduate West Point or not? | |||
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No, fourbore, she did not say "Did Art graduate West Point or not?" She said: I wannabee an Airborne Ranger, I wanna live a life of danger ... | |||
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I maybe a little comprehension challenged on that reply. No idea what you are talking about. I dont know what an FOS is either, but I can tell its not good. I will just assume he did graduate West Point and he did serve out nation and that's enough for me on that subject for me, FOS or not. I will reserve my indignation for the more serious transgressions in life. I am not going to judge a man based on errors in ATF paperwork, student head counts or trying to read someones mind as to reason for same - Or being rude to someone at a show. If rude was the measure of man, what would we all think of Rob or Jeff? So; he is a public figure and talk is talk. I hope all turns out well for him. | |||
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fourbore, I believe his intention was to diagnose you as severely constipated. He is an MD. This deal with AA is a simple case of falsifying documents. If the state had not trusted him, they would not have set him up in business there. Tax credits, creating jobs, etc. Read the case. regards, Rich  | |||
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The crooked deal the ATF did on Art started in 96. Aided by a guy his company fired. Took years to beat that in court. ATF took all records, money, guns, equipment at the start. Fighting gov broke the company. While fight still going he had car accident and got beat up bad. Still very bad condition in 99 when I talked tto him at ATL Shot Show. Still looked like half in a coma. Early 2000s he turned over business to the help who made it worse. A lot stuff/equip and guns needed to fill orders and produce anything took years to get back. Lot of stuff lost, never got done. He later had more health problems, moved out west to try to get it going again. Got into a paperwork snafu with the state there. People like his book and cartridges, but bad luck and his help and he do things that are screwy, cause problems..It's a ShameEd MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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I'm another one with no money on this particular horse, but a few things I've read here make me wonder. I've seen these tendencies occurring elsewhere. The main thing is that nothing seems to be AA's fault. The BATFE was after him? Then it must be that organization persecuting him unfairly. His company tanked? It must have been the fault of his underlings who had control of the company. Couldn't get a business going elsewhere? It must be the fault of that particular state's bureaucracy. Am I correct in seeing a trend here? _________________________ Glenn | |||
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If you were a fighting man in the Army infantry you will have one. As I understand it, all those guys they pulled out of arty and armor to walk patrols in Iraq and A-stan started making a fuss about getting some sort of device to demonstrate the fact they were in combat, even though they couldn't get the CIB. The Army wasn't budging on that one. You actually had to be in the infantry to get the CIB. It wasn't good enough to be in one of the other combat arms and doing an infantryman's job. I believe they came up with something to make everyone happy, but I stopped following the story. It's not an issue in the Navy. It doesn't matter what your NEC or designator is. If you're in combat, you get the Combat Action Ribbon. Anyway, I never had any dealings with Art Alphin or his company. I do like his reloading manual. So I take no pleasure in seeing him go down. | |||
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Any update on Art's case? I haven't heard anything lately... | |||
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It is we, those that Art stole from, who should sit in as his jury. SOB still owes me $1050.00. | |||
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In order to be awarded the CIB you must be MOS 11 series (infantry) and serve in combat. It doesn't matter if you are anything else serving with the infantry such as 13F, you don't get the CIB. You can ask any infantry man, if it was up to them they personally would not deny their FIST guys that honor! | |||
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AA is my hero too! Lots of good and helpful information for reloading, caliber choice etc. Hope he comes thru this new ordeal unhurt! Hans | |||
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Folks, I saw Art Alpin on my Instant Messenger "on line" list, and shot him a message. A guy I just sold a rifle to in Atlanta was Art's Skeet Team instructor when Art was a plebe at West Point. Unfortunately, Art informed me that his wife of many years suffered a stroke on August 6th, and remains in a coma. Not good...so despite you thoughts or past dealings, might be time for a little prayer and forgiveness. | |||
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I will pray for his wife, but she does not need forgiveness for anything except a poor choice in husbands... NOTE: the Army Rangers and the Green Berets are all primary MOS 11-series. All are eligible. Somehow, AA seems to be a bigger hard luck story than David Kokesh to some here. He can not keep his past endeavors from coming to light; that is his downfall. | |||
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The West Point issue is easy to prove gents. I'm sure there are a couple of West Point grads here (I know of at least one) that can verify. USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I must be missing something here then. I flew 38 combat missions in FA-18's off the USS Roosevelt CVN-71 during Operation Desert Storm. I have 3 Strike Flight Air Medals, 1 Individual Air Medal with Combat V, 1 Navy Achievement Medal with Combat V, 1 South West Asia Campaign Medal, but No Combat Action Ribbon. Not that I need or want one, but your statement says you get one if in combat! I was and I didn't! By the way, I know there are a lot of guys on this forum that put their asses in jeopardy many more times and on more serious missions than I, especially the Viet Nam guys. Please don't take my statement as being arrogant. You guys were hero's! And that's a fact, no matter how you were treated when you returned! | |||
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Todd I thought the air medal was for Operations and the Combat V as well. Just a different type of Combat Action Ribbon to what the Army gets. | |||
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I believe today they have majors, but back in 1981 (I can't speak for the place after that) there were no majors; everyone graduated with a degree in general engineering. Now that said, you did graduate with a little over 150 credit hours and had enough engineering courses to have a major in just about any mainstream engineering discipline. To say you had a degree in weapons systems engineering would be a stretch, but most grads simply state their area of concentration. But in black and white, his diploma did NOT say he had a degree in weapons systems engineering. Hey Jorge, I am back in JAX tonight. Reminds me of the time we had those beers. Rich: what is a "silver medal?" Are you implying you have a Silver Star? Blue-white-blue-white-red. I bet Art Alphin still remembers that too. Beat Navy (gulp) | |||
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500N When you say "for Operations" I think you are referring to the "Strike Flight Medals". Those are issued based on "points earned". The more dangerous the mission, the more points it's worth. The individual Medals with Combat V's are for an individual mission. The Combat Action Ribbon may have been before (or after) my time. | |||
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Special Forces are 18 series, not 11 series; but yes, all earn the CIB for combat operations except the 18D (medic) who earns the Combat Medic Badge (CMB). All Rangers are not 11 series; and all Rangers do not receive the CIB. I remember our 13F being frustrated for not receiving the CIB he deserved. Back on topic, I spoke with AA one time about a rifle I wanted to buy and after I ended the conversation I decided I didn't want one of his products even as a gift. | |||
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John: Annapolis changed as well too, but by 81 we had the Majors program in place. If you are in Jax, it's MY TURN to buy you a beer or dinner. Give me a call if you have the time or inkling. jorge Beat Army.... USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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