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What are your opinions on the 100th anniversary edition they have out this year? When I think of a 375 H&H I think of a Mod 70 "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | ||
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And yes, you should think of a Model 70 or mauser-type action. The issue is 'controlled round feeding.' The Rem 700 is a push-feed affair, as is the Weatherby line. While many are happy with push-feeds in Africa, the origin of bolt-action dangerous game rifles was with 'controlled feeding' and that would be my choice for any commemorative rifle. The thing should feed reliably when you've been knocked to the ground. though I don't ever want to test that in a live situation. There are plenty on the forum who love the 375, so they need to answer. I would just get a 375 Ruger in a controlled-feed model (which includes the Hawkeye), something rough and ready. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I'm OK with push feed but I have no use for a Remington. The bolt handles fall off, sometimes they fire when you push the safety forward (older guns) and they are essentially pot steel shaped into a tube and polished on a belt sander. | |||
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That being duly noted, it's rather interesting to note the greatest majority of high quality benchrest competition centerfire rifles and all of our nations sniper rifles (for about the last 50 years) have been built on Remington or remington clones. None CRF. Show me 10 examples of a Mauser or Winchester winning competition. Understandably competition is different than DG hunting, but it seems ignorant to imply they are doing nothing right based upon the overwhelming evidence. | |||
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Interesting comments above. I have now about 15 Rem 700s and have had probably 10 more over the years, since 1974. I did have a bolt handle come off on a 223 varmint rifle, when I beat on it for five minutes after a case stuck in the chamber. Remington fixed it free. I have not had issues with the safety on any of my 700s. Just returned from my annual PD shoot. Took six Rem 700s and fired approximately 700 rounds in two days, with no issues. And I have done that for close to 20 years thought the shots fired used to be well over 1000 per trip and except for the bolt issue mentioned above, zero issues with these Rem 700s. Having said all that, I am off to Africa in eight weeks and will take a new Win 70 375 HH. I am taking the Win not because of the controlled round feed, but because it just seemed like that was the traditional African rifle. NRA Patron member | |||
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Remington POS---CAPITAL POS!!!!!!! Competition because they are CHEAP--everyone builds on a 700 action because they are CHEAP--not because they are so wonderful! CHEAP POS--- Going to the field with a big bore--nearly anything else is better. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Some years ago I was doing some test work with a 300 RUM M700 Sendero, I also had a 338 Ultra Sendero as well doing test work. I was at the bench one day with the 300 and the fired a round, reached up to work the bolt, my hand could not find it? I was confused a bit, looked down, there was no bolt handle? Found it on the ground under the bench. I chuckled, never thought much of it actually. Of course when this happens you are finished, down, done, out. So I put it away and proceeded with something else. In the next day or so I took it to my friend at Myrtle Beach Indoor Shooting Range, our local gun shop and had him send it back to Remington for repairs. Couple of weeks went by and he called, it was returned. I went to pick it up, there was a $20.00 charge for repairing the bolt? I read the note that came back, and Remington would not repair the rifle under warranty because the "Trigger" had been adjusted! So there I sit in the gun shop, with this note. The longer I sit, the more I got pissed off. I asked myself what does adjusting the trigger have to do with the bolt handle weld breaking and falling off? Finally, I was so pissed, I gave the rifle to my friend, told him to put it in the rack for sell, I no longer wanted anything to do with it, and would not even take it home. I told him to sell it for anything he could get, I did not care. I went home! Now back then, I did not take good medications that I take now, and you might say I was a little more "wired" than I am today. But that night I was so pissed about this, I could hardly sleep! Next morning, it was "Letter" time, to Remington. Basic jest of it was that I told them I had $20, and that $20 really did not worry me at all. And had they told me $20 shipping and handling, I could have lived with that. If they had told me $20 for ANYTHING--Other than the Trigger being adjusted, and they would not warranty the bolt handle weld breaking and falling off, then I would have been ok, with anything but that! I asked what the trigger being adjusted had to do with this repair, and how that because the trigger being adjusted it had caused the bolt handle weld to break? And of course, long winded as I am I carried on for some few paragraphs of course, along these lines. In the end, I asked if they knew how to spell W-I-N-C-H-E-S-T-E-R, and that I would NEVER as long as I lived on planet earth purchase another remington rifle! I sent the letter registered mail, that day. I also took any remington rifle I had, that I knew I would never use, not even for a test rifle, took them all to the gun shop and got rid of them. I still have a few that I use for test work, but that is ALL. Anything else hit the trail, I would not have them. To this day I have never received a reply from them. I know for a fact they received. Not a word. So a remington is not welcomed here at all, you could not give me a dozen of the Pieces of S--Or POS for short! My remington story. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I have a couple of Remmington M700's. They shoot accurately but are noting special. Really consider them to be Brand X Average. I've only had 2 rifle malfunctions while hunting or shooting at the range with a centerfire rifle. One was the factory trigger on my CZ 416 Rigby disconnected while pointed at a Buffalo Bull. I think that one was due to a faulty modification job that was done on the rifle prior to the hunt. The other was my 7mm Rem Mag. ADL that I purchased in 1976. Stuck a case in the chamber. The extractor would not remove it. Had to punch it out with a cleaning rod. Factory ammo by the way. I use them for deer hunting every once in awhile but would never take a Remmington on a DG hunt. Many have and have had no problem. I'm not willing to take the chance however. | |||
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What I like about the Mod 700 birthday rifle is the 22" barrel and that it only weighs a little over 7 pounds. So all dressed up it would be 8 to 8.5 lbs. However I still think Model 70 when I think 300 H&H. A lot of that I guess comes from reading PHC "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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I have a whole slew of 700's they all are shooters and thaey all always seem to work. All feed properly I have had one broke extractor, on a 22-250. But I got a whitworth Mauser that doesn't reloiably eject spent rounds..... . | |||
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I've seen a lot of threads on Rem 700's. Many presumably knowledgeable and experienced hunters seem to disdain them. All I know is that the Rem 700 is the best-selling bolt rifle of all time, and not by a little. I don't own one, and have no dog in the fight. JUst sayin'.... Good Hunting. | |||
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The bolt handles aren't welded on, they're brazed and not even with high pressure solder. This picture shows it, they're not mine, I've only had one Remington bolt fail on me in the field. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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For anyone interested, I have one in Stainless with an amazing muzzlebreak and fiber optic express sights for sale. Nice! PM Me. (Michael 458 Need not apply) | |||
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How much are you offering to pay for someone to take it off your hands? | |||
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http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I'll go half the price, which will be twice the bargain. Shucks, I might even offer it to Michael after all; I hear he's got a few empty slots in the vault??? | |||
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OK here is the deal. You can send that thing here--but wrap it in plain brown paper--heavy paper. Send paper bag with it that will fit over my head when I open the package, if the wrapping is torn, then I won't have to look at that POS and hurt my eyes, with the bag on my head! Sorta like the story of a "Double Bagger" if you are familiar with that! Then put that Exhibition grade Turkish stock in with it that is fitted on my 9.3 B&M, and an envelope with $500 in it as well. If you do all these things, you can send it here, then I will try and dispose of it. I can either bury it, or add weights to it and pitch it in the pond. Don't want a floater, so I will add some heavy blocks to it. LOL That's the only way you will send that POS here! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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It's on the way. I'll send the bill separately. Pleasure! | |||
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The only problem with not liking the Rem 700 is that you might wind up stuck with one of those Winchester model 70 contraptions! :-) | |||
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Yeah, like with an extra position on the "safety"; like we should feel "safe". Rifles, real rifles, are supposed to be dangerous. Just sayin. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by michael458: Remington POS---CAPITAL POS!!!!!!! Competition because they are CHEAP--everyone builds on a 700 action because they are CHEAP--not because they are so wonderful! CHEAP POS--- Oh, I get it. Like the reason everyone wants to build their custom 1911 on a series 70 Colt...because they're cheap. Sounds logical, even though it's far from the truth! Three cheers for the wonderful! (and God Bless us if they're cheap to boot!) | |||
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Stocky, be careful...Michael is the official "Butt-Boy" for Winchester, ahhhh... I mean USRAC, I mean FN, I mean ...whatever they are now :-) | |||
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Yeah, and wherever they're built. 458 and I have a standing agreement: when the stuff hits the fan, I'll get all the zombies at 1000 yards with my Remington, and he'll be downstairs to get them when they get close enough the blood spatters when he shoots them. Not that he'll get the chance. Hope them there Winchesters will hold up to that. | |||
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Don't worry about the Winchesters the bolt handles don't fall off on them! You send that thing here under any other terms than what I mentioned above, you will get a bag of metal shavings back in a day or so!
HOw in the world can you compare the two, and even mention the word "Remington" in the same company as a Series 70 or before Colt 1911? That don't even make sense--Colt/Winchester Yes, that works. I am sorry, that is two entirely different classes, and the R does not even rank anywhere close. REMINGTON----- http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Hate to point it out to such a ballistically superior partner, but you're the one that made the "they are popular because they are cheap" assertion. Or, they might be doing something right. I reckon that's why we're up for debate! Fun!!! | |||
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Oh absolutely, I made the comment, and stand with it 100%. Back in the day, I knew A LOT of those boys, and they all did remingtons because they could pick up actions, alone, not complete rifles, for $300-$400. Shooting matches, long range, and small bores, is not the same thing as what we do with rifles here on big bores. There is zero correlation between the two. To begin with, the cheap ass actions purchased to do matches are built guns. They are not factory stock. Many are gone over, Soc-Ko extractors added, bolts welded on, actions trued this that or the other to get them running. If a bolt falls off on the shooting range it is no big deal. If an extractor fails on the shooting range, no big deal. Oh sure, you might not place in the match, but lives are not at stake, so no big issue. Don't even think about playing the "Sniper" card--these rifles go to the Armorer first before issued! What do you think they do at the "Armory". I personally know a few real deal snipers, back in the day rolling around in in the mud in far away places, the ones I knew actually used and preferred Winchester M70s. Control feed guns at that time. Today, I don't know, nor care. There is no correlation between the two disciplines. In the big bore world there are many faults to a remington action. First, they are push feed. While a hunter may get by with a push feed action, and never have an issue with it, no professional shooter would do so. Extractors are tiny to say the least, and not reliable, and do break, leaving a fired case in the chamber. With an elephant bearing down on you, or buffalo, or hippo, lion, bear or leopard, this is not good. I have seen many cases of this in the remingtons over the years. The occasional shooter or hunter will most likely never see a problem like this, but when you start shooting things the way we shoot things here, several hundred big bore rounds a week, then things begin to happen. Bolts fall off on the ground, extractors break, feeding issues and all sorts of things arise when they actual have to go to work. Been there, seen it, more often than not. If these things happen while on the range shooting paper targets, no big deal. If they happen in the field, where lives may depend on it, something else all together. There is no correlation between the two disciplines period. The very reason most big bore shooters like control feed rifles is that big claw extractor and the power to snatch fired cases out, and control the round once it is picked up in the magazine. For a big bore bolt gun that might be used for Dangerous Game Hunting, there is nothing better. Are they perfect? Absolutely NOT. In fact, if one is a professional, this rifle will be shot many hundreds of times, tested in every way to make sure it is 100% good to go, as anything can be that is mechanical. I know of NO RIFLE that I would take to the field without doing this work with. Not my B&M rifles that are built, they must be given a workout before leaving for the field, NONE OF THEM, Factory, Or Built by the very best there is should go to the field untested. This means feed and function, retain, and work any and all bugs out. Winchester, CZ, Ruger, ALL OF THEM. None are immune. Regardless of how much they cost or by whom they are built. One would never ever take a unproven 1911 put it on your hip and depend on it to save your life either! The exact same disciplines apply here as well. I am a 1911 sorta chap. Like the Winchesters, this is my preference. Yet, another control feed gun. I have as many 1911s as I have Winchesters. I have many Series 70, Commercial and real 1911s here. I have zero 80s + Colts. I have never strapped one on that has not been tested thoroughly for feed and function with the load I intend to carry. Now, even then, anything can fail in the field--I have seen it, and I have been there when it happens. Even tested thoroughly is no guarantee. Things happen. But for sure, you start out with the very best in show! One does not start out with the bottom of the barrel and then pray it works! Start with #1, and reduce the chances of issues, then know how to handle any issue should it arise in the field. A remington has no place in the World of Big Bore, plain and simple. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I grew up on Remington 700's. All have been very accurate. I have a Custom 700 AWR in 300 WBY that is on its 3rd extractor, other than that no problems EVER. That being said, my latest rifles have all been control fed Ruger & Winchesters. There are two "potential" issues with a Remington 700: Bolt handles and extractors. I would consider both fatal flaws for dangerous game hunting. But there is one simple solution to correct both for under $300: "ALL REMINGTON REPLACEMENT BOLTS ARE STAINLESS STEEL, FLUTED AND INCLUDE ONE PIECE BOLT HANDLE WITH M16 STYLE EXTRACTOR PIVOTED UNDER RIGHT LUG FOR STRENGTH AND 3 O’CLOCK EJECTION." http://www.competitiveedgegunw.../Floated_Action.html | |||
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Let's see, just "google" Rem 700 Safety and litigation, then do the same for Model 70, Browning, Ruger, etc and get back to me. Also, There's the bolt handle issue (plus it looks like a throat lozenge), fail on fire safety that also does not lock the bolt in place, flimsy, sheet metal extractor etc. Also, the "Remingtons have been used as Sniper Rifles for 50 years" argument is bullshit. Hunting and combat sniping have little in common AND those rifles are highly modified. Same for the competition angle. That kind of anal accuracy is just not required for hunting. Notice I said nothing about Push Feeds. I have no problem with hunting anything with a PF, but I do prefer CRFs but Remingtons" they get a bog PASS. USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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OK, so let me get this right...if it's modified it's not a Remington? | |||
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Congratulations, you're the new winner of the "cherry-picking" award for picking the most irrelevant part of a post to respond. But the short answer is of COURSE is still a Remiongton but I'd add the prefix POS.But nevermind all the other facts I posted. Feel free to answer them one by one. Here, I'll give you a good starting point: USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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OK, I'll go again. "Flimsy Sheet Metal Extractor" you reference. You've heard of the Kalashnikov? It's a flimsy sheetmetal GUN. Also #1 for decades as a battlefield pick up killing gun. Wrong in a lot of points, not pretty, very effective. They could not have been doing everything wrong.? | |||
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What do you feel is the proper weight for a 375 H&h ready to hunt and barrel length? "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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Probably the Ruger Alaskan in 375Ruger. If adding size to the receiver/action above, then a larger calibre is in order, preferably with a Rigby case-head. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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For a 375 H&H, 8-8.5 bare would be the weight I would target....barrel length 24"/23". For a Rigby sized case go with something larger than .416 caliber....the capacity of the Rigby is not needed for a DGR in .416.... | |||
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I don't have a clue why I'm getting involved in this but--my new Remington 700 CDL 100th Anniversary is back at the authorized factory service center because it won't extract. Since I glass bedded it already and put a decent trigger in I hope they fix it. My Model 70 Safari Express .416 RM CRF feeds all flat nose bullets I have tried like shit. I.E. it doesn't. 2d round jams every damn time. Very comforting for a DG rifle. I was ready to wrap it around a tree until Duane suggested I try round nose solids. Holy crap. Not a miss feed to be had. So what have I learned--Model 700s still suck sometimes, Model70s aren't the solution to all the problems in the universe, and while flat nose solids probably do penetrate better than round nose, unless you want a single shot you better make sure they feed in your bolt rifle. And while that Remington is a single shot right now it will sure shoot. Not as well as my 300 WM Jim Kobe put the new Shilen barrel on, but pretty darn good. Oh--it is a mauser. Don Trust only those who stand to lose as much as you do when things go wrong. | |||
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Personally, and from direct experience, I would not even think about using a Rem 700 on dangerous game. In my view they are a sub-optimal starting point for many different reasons which others have mentioned ( bolt handle breakage, trigger safety failure, extractor breakage and push feed). I also am a believer in CRF when the chips could be down over any Pushfeed. For Dangerous game I don't even like boltguns ( except for the .600OK of course), preferring doubles, if the action is at very close range ( the way I like it) but thats just my preference. With that said, I've taken a homebrew 7STW and a 300 RUM to Africa and OZ more than once and used them on plains game out to 450 yrs or so with EXCELLENT RESULTS and NO PROBLEMS . Why, because they can very easily be made into incredibly accurate guns and they are a good value for the money. I have a few here that I built myself that will shoot in the .2's. I have a homebrew, takedown switch barrel based rem 700 gun that has barrels for the .257 weatherby, .338 Rum ( improved) and .450 Ackley. That Rem 700 action has been bueprinted, has a Saco extractor installed, welded on bolt handle, and Jewell trigger. This corrects three of the four big gripes about Rem 700's. You switch scopes and barrels and it doesn't change zero more than .5 MOA at 200 yrds(barrel handtight). Fits in a Briefcase and could be used to hunt anything on this planet. No huge gun case, screaming "steal me" in certain parts of the world and I like the three caliber option. It was particularily useful in OZ hunting, Red Stag and water Buff ( Not DG in my view). As for feeding, you can make just about any gun feed anything if you know how. Its no big deal. In that regard rem 700's are no better or worse than Win 70's. They can undoubtably be made extremely rugged if you want, and I have no doubts that such a gun would serve well in Africa on DG, it just doesn't float my boat for that purpose when there are so many better options available. I guess my opinion is to always use the right tool for the right job if you possibly can. For a sniper rifle, a Rem 700 is damn hard to beat when set up properly, as a DG rifle,its real easy to beat and comes in close to the bottom of the list. hope this was helpful.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Jarrod, Just finished a new Mod 70 375 H&H for the wife as a DG rifle for Africa. Started with a std Mod 70 (made in SC ) in 375 H&H bought on AR from Bill/Oregon. Long list of Gunsmithing done by Tip Burns of Canyon Sporting Arms, All DG improvments to an already good gun. Total weight complete is now exactly 10 pounds including Trijicon 1X4 scope in Leupold QD mounts. Barrel was cut to 20 1/2 inches and magna ported behind the new NEGC banded adjustable front sight with red fiber optic bead. Bolt was fluted. Bolt handle drille out. Longer barrels just hang up going thru the brush. Also if raining can be carried muzzle down with ease. Balance is perfect. For Africa you don't need more than 2,500 fps. in a .375 H&H. Best load is 67 gr. RL#15 with any 300gr North Fork. Action was completely polished, all areas including feed ramp to feed North Fork 2 nd generation Cup Point Solids. (A most demanding requirement) Stock was fully glass bedded and the barrel recoil lug was removed for full floating. (This lug Not needed on a 375 but would keep on a 458 IMO) Total cost not including scope is right at $1,800 for a solid no-non-sense DG rifle. Due to perfect balance between the hands the 10# weight is not noticed using a wide detachable sling. Wife will be going to the July Big Bore Shoot in Libby Mt. with this gun. If you hunt DG anywhere in the world you can't go wrong with a good Winchester CRF. (for the money) Good Shooting and Hunting Tetonka DRSS | |||
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Tetonka Enough Said! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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