So with the old 458 out of the question for me I now move on to what bigger than 458 Lott cartridge is the best. I like the Dakota but I have never seen any thing but the 460Wby brass. The smith up here has a reamer for the 460 and I would have to buy whatever else I get. The Rigby would be cool and go well with my 416 but again the brass finding is a problem. With the real world difference between these three cases being small should I save my hair pulling and go 460, or go the extra mile and go something else?

I have a 460 built on a a very early BBK02 action...2 digit serial number. I really like the cartridge. When I had it built, the 450 Rigby wasn't in existence, and 416 Rigby brass was worth more than its weight in gold.
Mine functions and feeds great, brass is very plentiful and actually pretty cheap compared to many others.
The best thing is that I have loads from low end 458 Winchester loads to 458 Lott loads and then way beyond that. A "mild" 460 load matches or beats a "maximum" Lott load. Brass life, when loaded to the 2200-2300 fps level is very good. The last plus, if important to you, is that factory ammo is readily avaiable.

This is what I was thinking but I have heard its a big taboo to have a 602 460. I can find brass ammo and its easy to load up or down. It seems like a no brainer to me.

I am happy with my Browning Safari .458WM, slowly being re-built into my concept of a Grizzly "stopper", as I have zero interest in African hunting. However, IF, I wanted something with more "zap" for whatever purpose, I would seriously consider the ".460 G&A", a wildcat on the .404 Jeffery case.

Given the new Jeffery cases coming from Hornady, the brass should be no problem, this WILL fit into a 602 very nicely and "should" give you a 4+1 capacity, something I just like in a DGR. It is, IMO, what the "Lott" is touted as being, cases also can be made from .375 RUM brass, if necessary, and the ballistics impress me mas being about all one could want for any use short of hunting M1 Abrams tanks.

Handy as I have a 404. This would make it very nice when buying brass.

I have the reamer and headspace gauge for the 450 Dakota. It is accurate and powerfu.. You can push 400 gr. at 2800fps no problem. If you are interested I would be willing to rent my reamer.

I will keep this in mind as I weigh my options. The smith wanted me to buy my reamer if I went with a Dakota or Rigby. I don't blame him as he won't sell a lot of these. Your offer is noted and if I go that route then I will PM you for details.
Thanks

The 12.5x70 Schuler (.500 Schuler Jumbo) or .500 Jeffery. I prefer the Schuler case design. The .510 caliber takes you to the next level.

The .450 Dakota, .450 Rigby and the .460 Weatherby are ballistically identical, for all practical purposes.

If I were you, I would keep things simple and practical and go with the .460 Weatherby.

I am thinking of doing the same thing.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
The .450 Dakota, .450 Rigby and the .460 Weatherby are ballistically identical, for all practical purposes.

If I were you, I would keep things simple and practical and go with the .460 Weatherby.

I am thinking of doing the same thing.

yep

but, bigger, in the case of going larger than a lott, should just mean a bigger bullet, not higher vel... past 2300, you are into diminishing returns

i humbly offer the 500AR as the solution.. and brass is currently about the same price as 450 rigby, from qualcart

AHR just finished a .450 Dakota for me. I have not had any difficulty finding brass. It's a very good cartridge. When I first embarked on building a rifle, .450 Dakota brass was easy to find and .450 Rigby was scarce as hen's teeth. However, I think Jamison is now turning out brass for the .450 Rigby and if I was starting again, I would probably pick the Rigby. AHR builds the Rigby as one of their standard chamberings. If you are really interested, call and chat with Wayne. They put together a really, really nice rifle. My Dakota is just superb.

Dave

Go WBY, most practical and powerfull. Just loaded up some 405 Rems. to put the scope on mine. They should be at about 2600 fps., good to mount the scope and possibly some spring varmit action. While I'm at it, anyone useing 400-450 X bullets in the 460. What kind of speed and accuracy are you getting.

460Wby or 500A-2

The BRNO 602 and I may never meet.I first had a 375 with a custom stock but someone wanted it much worse than I so I sold it before customizing. Now my deal on a barely used 458Win fell thru. It would be an easy rechamber job. Now I have found another 602 for a good price but as the clock ticks away I fear I may not get it. Guns come and go and I will eventually get mine.
Thanks to all.

I believe Gunbug has a 602/458 for sale.

PoppaW, what 'smith are you using?

If it were me, I would take a serious look at Jeff's AR rounds.

PoppaW,
Love the Weimaraner.
You are better off with a CZ 550 Magnum anyway, whatever you choose to chamber it in.
At least the safety is not "bassackward" on a 550 Magnum,
so it is usable even before you get the custom side-wing-and-trigger job done.

If you want to go the extra mile right off, the BRNO ZKK 602 is a fine action,
after you replace that safety, so as not to get yourself killed.

"Doin' good ain't got no end ...": It is an end unto itself.

For a long time I loaded for Matts 460wby... I now have my own built on a 550. Even with a 22" barrel I can get 2500 with 500 grain projectiles (though I load mine slightly lower). You can explore allot of avenues in regards to bullet weights and velo. I have recently found that 400gr wdlys leave quite a mark on soft skin game . I use mine for control work.

Woody,

Look at a Dakota Rigby action. They are not cheap but they have the safety, trigger, CRF, magazine, and bottom metal you want along with one of the best looking bolt handles in existence. Saves alot of hassle trying to get all of that stuff right. Holds four down and the .450 Dakota has a much better throat than the .460 Weatherby. It is your money and your choice but I have never regretted mine and it gets used for fun and hunting.

Guess I missed something somewhere, why are the .458Win and Lott 'not big enough'/ at the ranges most BIG guns are used they had plenty of oomph.
(I've had a .460, lots of muzzle blast, recoil and not much difference in the dying as far as I could tell.

Guess I'm just gettin' wimpy in my old age, just can't see the need ( there I go again with the "N" word, I am gettin' old)

Seriously @ 50 yds what critter knows the difference of a well placed round, and your follow up is easier with less recoil, especially in a bolt gun.

FWIW , if I build bigger again on a bolt , it will be BIGGER, not faster, ie .500 Jeff, .505 Gibbs etc.

The big fast .458's (.460) just don't do it for me, But, it is to be your gun, isn't it?

450 Dakota!

I AM a bit prejudiced though, I took a CZ550 rechambered to 450 Dakota on my Buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe last December and a 500gr Swift A-Frame just knocked a 2000+lb bull down like lightning. He did get up in a few minutes, but was hurt bad and never moved 10 feet. That at a 2370fps load, and about 165yds away. About thirty years ago I owned a Buhmiller 460 Buhmiller, pretty much the same thing on a P-14 Enfield. I would avoid the Wbee, all that fussing around with the belt and goofy shoulder, just to get the same MV as either of the other two.

JMHO...


Rich
Buff Killer

The .500 Schuler Jumbo/Jeffery!!!! .510 caliber, 535 gr bullet @ 2400 fps!!!! Boy Howdy

DuggaBoye...I will give you my opinion...the full house 460 does create a lot of blast and recoil, but if you download it to about 2300 or so, it is not that bad. At 2300fps the 460 is just "loping along" if you will. To get the 2100 or so from a 458 Win, you are dealing with compressed loads. To get 2300 or so out of a Lott, you are also dealing with compressed loads, and depending on the length of barrel, you may not get that velocity.

I have fired about 500 rounds through my 450 Dakota built on an AHR CZ550 action.



Also owned CZ chambered for 460 GA.

And pre 64 mod 70 with the 450 Ackley.

I would recommend the Dakota.

One of easiest and less fussy ctgs you will ever reload for.

My brass has lasted over ten rounds each using RL-15 powder and 450-500 grain bullets at max velocity.

Andy