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I have a rifle in .416 Rigby, a CZ Safari Magnum because I WANTED ONE. The small boy inside my 50-something body still rejoices.

+1

I have to agree with BNagel, he pretty much summed it up for me too....I shot mine 18 times yesterday afternoon while walking across the pasture at charging fire ant mounds, slinking cow pies, and far away steel plates...and smiled each and every time I pulled the trigger.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Perhaps there is something to know that just isn't obvious. It's a mystery to me why the 416 Rigby is as popular as it is.

Could someone please explain this phenomenon?

KB

I'll play too:

It's a mystery to me why 20 year-old single malt scotch is as popular as it is. Malt liquor gets you just as drunk while buring a lot less cash.

It's a mystery to me why a '65 Pontiac GTO is as popular as it is. An '04 Chevy Cobalt gets you there just the same while burning a lot less gas.

It's a mystery to me why John Wayne is as popular as he is. Why, Kevin Costner made a western once and he even had a mustache.

It's a mystery to me why some think a solid, manufacturing based economy should be popluar. This new "services" based approach will make us all rich while using a lot fewer employees.

Could someone please explain these phenomenona?

The .416 Rem doesn't get much love around here but Finn Aagaard sure liked it. Me too.

“There is no need to beat around the bush: Everything considered, Remington’s new .416 Mag. Is the finest standard-production cartridge ever developed in this country, and, quite arguably, in the world for all-around use on dangerous game and the largest beasts.” - Finn Aagaard, 1989

“If you drive a high-quality, [.416] 400-grain bullet at 2350 fps, it is very deadly. We do not need to argue about the critter involved. It stops charging bull elephants, knocks the lights out of lions, swats bears and big bull elk and can do a remarkably fine job on deer-sized game. Is one case better than the other? Ballistically no, but practically, yes - the Remington. Remington’s .416 is probably the most practical and perhaps the best medium-heavy rifle made. In the end, you cannot go wrong, unless you get confused and buy a 45 caliber rifle instead.” - Ross Seyfried

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

I always figured more than a handful was a waste?

There's your problem right there....jorge

I brought mine because of the romance of the "image" of the cartridge. Ruark, Selby,et al.

The rifle feeds it smoother than snot, its recoil is very tolerable, the one I have is an honest 3/4 MOA rifle, and I shoot it pretty well.

I still use it because it worked for me on 6 buffalo so far.

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Originally posted by mrjulian_1970:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Perhaps there is something to know that just isn't obvious. It's a mystery to me why the 416 Rigby is as popular as it is.

Could someone please explain this phenomenon?

KB

I'll play too:

It's a mystery to me why 20 year-old single malt scotch is as popular as it is. Malt liquor gets you just as drunk while buring a lot less cash.

It's a mystery to me why a '65 Pontiac GTO is as popular as it is. An '04 Chevy Cobalt gets you there just the same while burning a lot less gas.

It's a mystery to me why John Wayne is as popular as he is. Why, Kevin Costner made a western once and he even had a mustache.

It's a mystery to me why some think a solid, manufacturing based economy should be popluar. This new "services" based approach will make us all rich while using a lot fewer employees.

Could someone please explain these phenomenona?

Old Harley riders have a saying, and I think it applies here: If I have to explain, you probably won't understand!

ummmmmmmmmmmmm, because it works and you can afford to buy one and shoot it a lot...?

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Pegleg:

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Originally posted by mrjulian_1970:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Perhaps there is something to know that just isn't obvious. It's a mystery to me why the 416 Rigby is as popular as it is.

Could someone please explain this phenomenon?

KB

I'll play too:

It's a mystery to me why 20 year-old single malt scotch is as popular as it is. Malt liquor gets you just as drunk while buring a lot less cash.

It's a mystery to me why a '65 Pontiac GTO is as popular as it is. An '04 Chevy Cobalt gets you there just the same while burning a lot less gas.

It's a mystery to me why John Wayne is as popular as he is. Why, Kevin Costner made a western once and he even had a mustache.

It's a mystery to me why some think a solid, manufacturing based economy should be popluar. This new "services" based approach will make us all rich while using a lot fewer employees.

Could someone please explain these phenomenona?

Old Harley riders have a saying, and I think it applies here: If I have to explain, you probably won't understand!

Pegleg... (as an old Harley rider and 416R owner myself) that was kinda my point... it's still true that sarcasm doesn't come off well on the internet, but I tried.

Mike

SD + BC + Velocity + No Belt = Success

The .416 Rigby hasn't made logical sense since cordite was abandoned. It will do anything any other .400/.404/.416, but with its outsized case it requires an outsized action with no offsetting benefit.

Arguably the .400 H&H is the best designed cartridge for current propellants and the .416 Rem Mag is far and away the most popular and available cartridge in this class. Ultimately, acceptable design and much better availability trumps all else for the thinking traveling hunter. Very few of us live where .416 worthy game exists, and I'd much rather be looking for a box of .416 Rem in Jo Berg or Cape Town if my ammo didn't arrive than any other .400/.404/.416 class round.

ok I want to play.

because you are having a two bbl take down model 30 remington made the other round in the set is 338 lapua and you dont want to have two diferent magazines and bolts. thats why

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the .416 Rem Mag is far and away the most popular and available cartridge in this class.

What is Brazos smokin, I dont even want to 2nd hand inhale that !

The 416Rem is near death - but due for a comeback if Winchester can do its part.

And holy crap the 400H&H , even the Ruger 416 should get honorable mention before that redundant wanna be.

The real question should have been why would anyone want a 416 other than the Rigby.

All these big bore cartridges are such small sellers we are lucky to have manufacturers for any of them. THANK THE GOOD LORD FOR HORNADY!!
The 416 Remington dead? There are probably 100 416 Remingtons for every double rifle in North America.
You can almost say Hornady revived the double rifle market with their cartridge offering plus the 404J and 416R as well as the Lott.
I am willing to bet the double rifle marketers such as Champlin believe Hornady is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!

EZ

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THANK THE GOOD LORD FOR HORNADY!!

Amen.

The 416Rem is near dead, which is not buried. the most popular 416, I think, is Rigby. You also should thank god for Ruger and CZ. Ruger for the Lott and Rigby. I think Ruger offered the Rigby prior to Hornady loading the ammo. That Ruger offering of the Rigby filled a long pent up demand that really hurt the 416Rem. The 416Rem being introduced by Remington did not help, either. I ran out and bought my RSM in Rigby immediately and that was my last big bore until I got wind of the 505Gibbs by CZ. After that, I fell off the wagon. I got a Lott too.

Yea, Hornady pretty much defines the big bore game these days - for me at least. Now, If they would offer a 577, any 577. And if CZ would/could chamber it and I would buy it.

I like it mostly because it's a .416 and was invented by Rigby.

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Originally posted by Code4:
SD + BC + Velocity + No Belt = Success

Do you have your 416 Ruger yet?

KB

Interesting thing I read about the 300 H&H recently (correct if I'm wrong, often I am) is that it was developed to duplicate the ballistics of the 30-06 in the African heat at lower pressures. Now, that could be a BS story, but the Rigby is nice because you don't have to "stuff it" to get it to perform.

I would like to mention first that I like the 416 Rigby. I own a 416 Remington. Here is my rational.
I took some data off the Nosler online web page. I do not know what Nosler used as a pressure reference for their maximum charge listing on each cartridge.

416 Rigby 400 gr bullet H4831SC
99 gr (max); 2462 FPS; load density 95%
97 gr; 2427 FPS; load density 93%

416 Rigby 400 gr bullet RL-19
101 gr (Max); 2479 FPS; load density 97%
99 gr; 2462 FPS; load density 95%

416 Remington 400 gr bullet RL-15
81 gr (Max); 2503 FPS; load density 100%
79 gr; 2453 FPS; load density 97%

I realize there are powder options Nosler does not list however this data does offer loads with comparable load densities. I think most folks tend to believe you want these close to 100%.
You have to use about 20 gr more powder in the Rigby to obtain the same velocity as the Remington.
Here again I do not know what the pressures were as to determine a maximum in each cartridge I am just using their data and the load densities.
You can make a trimmer lighter gun with the Remington and also with the new Ruger. Actions are easier to obtain with fewer modifications.

If you are interested in driving bullets faster, many folks have Rigby loads that gain at least 100 FPS over those listed above.

I do not have a problem with the 81 gr RL-15 Remington load mentioned above in my Mod 70 in the August heat of Texas. I have dropped it down to the 79 gr because I think 2400+ is enough.
I also am about to try 370 NF's and 350 Barnes TS's at about 2600 FPS

I will probably own a Rigby one day! or perhaps a 404J??

Let me add; When I built my 416; Remington ammo was about 1/3 the cost of any Rigby offering. That has changed in recent years.

EZ

I built a custom 416 Taylor to duplicate the original Rigby loading that worked so well on African game, as noted above by the write-up from Ross Seyfried.
The Rigby has romance and can do it all in Africa, or anywhere else. The Taylor, Remington and Ruger are just modern copies of the Rigby. What's the saying? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by Code4:
SD + BC + Velocity + No Belt = Success

Do you have your 416 Ruger yet?

KB

No, ordered a CZ .416 Rigby instead. It's in the post. I can hardly wait. It is off to Africa in 2014 and the Northern Teritory and Northern Qld next year for Boar+++, Water Buffalo and Scrub Bulls. Nothing my 9.3x62 can't do but hey, if it makes your nipples hard and your hair stand on end, why not

Oom Janie Buhmiller gave this load data to Jack O'Connor:
105 grains of H4831 with 400 to 410 grain bullets of any kind.
That is a low pressure load safe even in a standard Mauser 98 opened up for .416 Rigby, like Harry Selby's.
Gets you well above 2400 fps.
BTW, that powder charge with a GM215M primer makes 380-grain GSC HV's and FNs go over 2500 fps with 0.140 MOA for 3 shots in my Ruger RSM.
That is the Buhmiller-O'Connor Memorial Load.
It's what Jack liked.

I own and shoot the Remington 416 and it shoots
the 400gr bullet at 2420 fps no problem.